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United States and Britain Rescued Europe from Hitler’s Nazis. Complete Rubbish!A Capitalist Fairy Tale!

Alban Maginness: Why Red Army’s role in bringing Down the Third Reich must not be overlooked—-Belfast Telegraph

After all, without the Russians there would never have been a successful D-Day landing at all. https://wp.me/pKzXa-1jz

The defeat of the Nazis owes much more to the Soviet Union’s victory at Stalingrad in February 1943.

It is estimated that almost 27 million Russians died in the Second World War. That is a staggering figure compared to the combined losses of the Allies, including Britain, France and the USA.

It is incontrovertible that the defeat of Hitler’s armies in Russia marked the definitive turning point against the Germans in the war.

Without the courage and determination of the Red Army, the Nazis would not have been defeated.

The Allied invasion of France in 1944 was therefore a follow-on from the Soviet victory over the German army.

 

Full Article:  https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/alban-maginness/alban-maginness-why-red-armys-role-in-bringing-down-the-third-reich-must-not-be-overlooked-38209304.html

————————————————————-Germany Was Defeated On The Eastern Front, Not Normandy-Oriental Review

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Fuller Discussion below https://wp.me/pKzXa-1jz

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Germany Was Defeated On The Eastern Front, Not Normandy
Written by Eric MARGOLIS on 10/06/2019

Germany Was Defeated On The Eastern Front, Not Normandy

————————————————————–Russian Army reached Berlin First

1,100,000 Soviet personnel who took part in the capture of Berlin from 22 April to 2 May 1945 were awarded with the Medal “For the Capture of Berlin“. https://wp.me/pKzXa-1jz

Russian Army and East European guerrilla forces including Serbo-Croat Partisans led by Tito had already broken the back of the German Army before D-Day.

From Wilson John Haire on Aubane: 37% of Europe is Russian and the Red Army swept through the whole of Eastern Europe, including
taking Austria. Europe also takes in a large part of Turkey. 51 nations compose Europe. Therefore When Britain claims they liberated Europe they are giving a false impressions.

Russia’s most popular newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda asked: “Why does the West want everyone to think that their front wasn’t just the second front, but the main one?”. It added that millions of Soviet soldiers had been killed while the USSR was waiting for the US and Britain to open a second western front since 1943

The hope was that leaving the Russians to fight the Nazis alone in Europe for as long as possible would fatally weaken Stalin’s regime (like it had done with the Czar in WW1) and lead to the collapse of Stalinism. It was a spectacular miscalculation.

Discussion on Cedar Lounge Revolution https://wp.me/pKzXa-1jz

Paddy Healy :It has been a good productive discussion despite initial misunderstandings. Read On to the end !!!

yourcousin June 8,2019

Do we really want to draw information from a web site that uses friends of Richard Spencer as sources? I mean we can, but not sure that will end well.

FergusD  June 9 2016

Who is Richard Spencer? Anyway, regardless the data comes from elsewhere and seems genuine. The information about German casualties on the Eastern Front in WW2 are incontrovertible surely? I don’t attribute Soviet success to Stalin, rather despite Stalin and the hideous apparatus. Seems clear though that people in the West have a skewed view of WW2 and this may help facilitate WW3.

Paddy Healy June 9, 2019

I agree Fergus. Stalin showed his real colours in the post war arrangements. He ordered the French an Italian Communists parties, with their strong Résistance credentials, to join capitalist governments. He wanted capitalism stabilised in the big European Capitalist countries. If capitalism had been overthown in these, it would have quickly led to the overthrow of the privileged Russian bureaucracy which he represented. Of course, it was this privileged bureaucracy itself that restored capitalism in Russia eventually. Among other things, they wished to bequeath their property to their offspring. Trotsky,of course, had predicted this in the 20s and thirties.

Worldby Storm  June 10, 2019

Apologies for joining this late but been tied up with other stuff. I think it’s absolutely reasonable that both are seen as pivotal. The contribution of the Soviets – or more particularly their soldiers – was of unquestionable significance – though it’s also worth noting how the bizarre machinations at the point where the Nazi’s invaded the USSR despite the Soviet’s having intelligence about same and Stalin dismissing that intelligence was a massive self-inflicted blow. It’s also important I feel to keep in mind lend-lease and so on to the USSR from 1941 onwards which was also central to the Soviet war effort at a point where it was necessary. Similarly the Eastern front wore away the Nazi regime. That said, the western front was crucial too, functionally the Nazi’s couldn’t fight a war on two fronts (or effectively three given the fact of US/UK etc invasion of North Africa and later Italy). Moreover let’s not underestimate how difficult a channel crossing/invasion was. I’ve read some of the thinking on whether an invasion was possible in 1943 and at a push it might have been, but the means of transporting soldiers to the beaches of Normandy were very limited. A failed invasion then in the West would have been a significant blow to the efforts to push back the Nazi’s.

In other words it’s not all or nothing. D-Day was very important, the Eastern front was very important. North Africa and on to Egypt was very important. All built up into a coherent whole whereby the states involved pushed back against the Nazi’s. Incontrovertibly the Eastern front was key in significantly destroying the Nazi war machine but then again, and more contentiously so was the bombing of Germany by the US/UK, etc. And it’s worth keeping in mind that the Eastern front was a different sort of a war with – frankly, from the Nazi perspective, a racial component (and from the Russian perspective an existential one) almost entirely lacking from the other fronts.

I’d worry that any single element is taken in isolation. D-Day succeeded in no small part because of the pressure on the Nazi’s in the East. The challenge in the East was lessened in 1944 by the pressure in France. But of course the fight up the Italian penninsula and North Africa had also necessitated the stretching of more scant than might be thought Nazi manpower. I don’t believe all the myths around Britain standing alone, but it was an essential component in the push-back bridging the gap in the west until the US was politically able to join the conflict.

I’ve a relative too who fought on the beaches at D-Day and survived. Their contribution, that of the Soviet army soldiers and so on were all in their own way of supreme importance, each piece building up to the successful defeat of the Nazi’s.

Response by Paddy Healy  June 10,2019

D-Day It has been a good productive discussion despite initial misunderstandings. I think this is a balanced summary by WBS:”I’d worry that any single element is taken in isolation. D-Day succeeded in no small part because of the pressure on the Nazi’s in the East. The challenge in the East was lessened in 1944 by the pressure in France. But of course the fight up the Italian penninsula and North Africa had also necessitated the stretching of more scant (resources)than might be thought Nazi manpower. I don’t believe all the myths around Britain standing alone, but it was an essential component in the push-back bridging the gap in the west until the US was politically able to join the conflict.” I know we can’t mention all forces which contributed but I have a soft spot for the Résistance, The Italian Partisans, Tito’s Serbo-Croat guerillas and the greek anti-nazi fighters.
I initiated the discussion sharply in anger at the media attempt to portray the victory over Nazism as a purely US and British affair
I am of an age that it was in the first world war that my uncle and my mothers first cousins fought in the British Army. I think it was YOUR COUSIN who remarked that it was amazing how his uncle and many others retained their caring human approach having participated in such a savage conflict. My ex-BA relatives had the opportunity to serve the Irish people through membership of the IRA in the war of independence. The military training and war experience they received in the British Army was invaluable in training raw recruits to the IRA. Is olc an ghaoth ná séideann maitheas do dhuine éigin !!!!! Thanks to all for the constructive discussion.

 


WHAT WERE THE RUSSIANS DOING ON D-DAY?

 WELL HERE’S WHAT!

– A Facebook post by Seamus Martin, former ‘Irish Times’ correspondent in the USSR and Russia:  https://wp.me/pKzXa-1jz

It has been sad to see the bickering between the West and Russia on the 75th Anniversary of D Day.  Back in 1944 they were allies in the fight against Hitler and although Soviet Forces were not involved in the Normandy Landings they were busy elsewhere. In fact they were very busy indeed.

I have a personal interest in the matter as I knew some of the Soviet veterans of the conflict when I lived in Moscow as the correspondent of the Irish Times.  Some 26 million Soviet citizens lost their lives in that war. In the siege of Leningrad alone more people died than the combined fatal casualties of the United States and the United Kingdom for the entire war.

 

Of the young men born in 1922 and 1923 who fought in that war, 97% lost their lives. One of the three percent who survived was Yuri Vyzun who fought at Stalingrad, at the huge tank battle of Kursk which was probably the real turning point of the war and who fought street-by-street and house-by-house in the capture of Berlin in 1945. He arrived outside the Reich’s Chancellery in time to see the body of Joseph Goebbels lying in a bomb crater.

 

Much has been made of the mass rape of German women by Soviet troops at that time and there is no doubt that  these horrible events took place but I couldn’t bring myself to include Yuri in that category when I met him in his apartment in suburban Moscow. He was devoid of braggadocio, it took me some time to convince him to wear his war medals for a photograph and he was far more interested in showing me pictures of his four grandchildren than talking about his exploits in Stalingrad or Berlin.

 

My estimation of his character was borne out later by the eminent historian Antony Beevor who, in the introduction to his definitive history of the fall of Berlin, wrote: “One important lesson is that one should be extremely wary of any generalization concerning the conduct of individuals. Extremes of human suffering and even degradation can bring out the best as well as the worst in human nature. Human behaviour to a large extent mirrors the utter unpredictability of life or death. Many Soviet troops, especially in the frontline formations, unlike those who came behind, often behaved with great kindness to German civilians……..”

 

Yuri served in one of those frontline formations.  He spoke well of the allies from other countries especially the Americans after the German capital had been divided into US, British, French and Soviet Zones. “If one of our fellows got drunk and strayed into the American sector he would be well looked after. They called all of us “Ivan” or “Comrade” and they would make sure the offender would get back safely into the Soviet sector.”

As for the British, the class system was particularly evident. “The soldiers were good to us but their officers treated us like dirt.”

 

Yuri didn’t take part in the great parade in Red Square on the 50th Anniversary of Victory in Europe in 1995.  He had become disillusioned with those who came to power in his country and described himself as an “anti-communist” but the real reason he stayed away from the ceremony was: “It’s just that I can’t march well any more”.

 

His disillusionment with the system began with Leonid Brezhnev’s writings on the battle of Stalingrad. “He was claiming all sorts of things mainly trying to show himself in a good light. But I was there so I knew his claims were wrong.”

 

Like many of his comrades in arms he had also been a comrade in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union but he resigned his membership after the storming of the TV Tower by special forces in Vilnius, Lithuania, in 1990.

 

“We discovered that our system had been close in some ways to the Fascists we defeated but I am still proud we defeated the Fascists”.  It is a chastening thought that I am now older than Yuri was when I met him in 1995 and I imagine he has since died.

 

I know that another veteran I met died in the first year of this new century. Her name was Valentina Flegontovna Kravchenko and her apartment was closer to the centre of Moscow than Yuri’s. Many women of her age decorated their flats with the holy icons of the Russian Orthodox Church but Valentina did not. The walls of her little place  bore photographs of warplanes. Valentina had been a bomber pilot.  She served in an Air Force regiment that was entirely female from its Commander Marina Raskova through to the pilots to the mechanics and those who worked in the kitchens.

 

Valentina was shot down twice and made her way back through enemy lines to her unit in order to fight on. Unlike Yuri she had remained loyal to the old regime and held Boris Yeltsin in contempt as a traitor to the cause.

 

Further north as that 50th anniversary drew near I visited groups of young Russians at a place called Myasnoy Bor near the ancient city of Novgorod. They were digging for the bodies of soldiers who had been trapped in the swamplands by the advancing Germans. A young woman told me: “I might find someone else’s grandfather and someone else might find mine.”

One of the things they found in one of the little bakelite cylinders worn by Russian soldiers instead of “dogtags” was a short letter. It read:

“TO DEAR MARFUSHKA AND MY SONS VOLODYA AND VITYA.  LIVE HAPPILY WITHOUT ME.  I DIE IN AWFUL SUFFERING, REMEMBERING THE LIFE I HAVE LIVED FOR 27 YEARS- BLINOV, TIKHON ANDREYEVICH.”

 

When I returned from Myasnoy Bor my landlady Marina Ivanovna told me her own story of the war although she was not old enough to be a combatant. “My mother had died before the war started. We lived in a village in Western Russia and knew that the Germans would reach us very quickly after they invaded. My father called us together and told us that since our house was the biggest in the village the Germans would make it their headquarters. So we burned our house down and joined the partisans in the forests.”

 

It struck me that Mr. Hitler was a very silly man to take on people who would burn down their own house and it seems that my view was shared by Field Marshal Montgomery.

 

In a memorable statement to the House of Lords on May 30th 1963 he said:

“THE FIRST RULE ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THE BOOK OF WAR IS -DO NOT MARCH ON MOSCOW.

VARIOUS PEOPLE HAVE TRIED IT, NAPOLEON AND HITLER, AND IT IS NO GOOD. THAT IS THE FIRST RULE.”

——————————————————————-D-Day

The Normandy landings were the landing operations on Tuesday, 6 June 1944 of the Allied invasion of Normandy in Operation Overlord during World War II. Codenamed Operation Neptune and often referred to as D-Day, it was the largest seaborne invasion in history. The operation began the liberation of German-occupied France (and later western Europe) from Nazi control, and laid the foundations of the Allied victory on the Western Front. (after Germany had been defeated on the Eastern Front-PH)

Why does Russia see D-Day differently to the West?

Analysis by Steve Rosenberg, BBC News, Moscow

When countries argue about the present, they often disagree about the past, too. Take D-Day – British Prime Minister Theresa May called it the day that “determined the fate of generations to come”. But Russia’s Foreign Ministry sees things rather differently.

“The Normandy landings did not have a decisive impact on the outcome of World War Two,” said its spokesperson Maria Zakharova this week. “It was inevitable after the Red Army victories at Stalingrad and Kursk.”

Russia’s most popular newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda asked: “Why does the West want everyone to think that their front wasn’t just the second front, but the main one?”. It added that millions of Soviet soldiers had been killed while the USSR was waiting for the Allies to open the second front.

Perhaps if President Putin had been invited to join the D-Day commemorations in Normandy, Russia’s viewpoint might be more positive.

One Russian TV presenter declared: “There wouldn’t even have been a Normandy landing if it hadn’t been for the Soviet soldiers who’d died from 1941 onwards in the fight against fascism.”

Moscow had been fighting German forces in the east for almost three years by the time of the D-Day operations that ultimately led to the liberation of Western Europe from Nazi Germany.

Russia lost more than 25 million lives in what it calls the Great Patriotic War – more than any other nation. The country holds a massive military parade every year to commemorate the anniversary of the end of World War Two and remember the role of Soviet troops.

 

4 July 1945

U.S. troops occupying Berlin. The army of the Soviet Union conquered Berlin in April/May 1945. Two months later the Western Allied troops also entered the city. On 4 July 1945, the AmericanIndependence Day, U.S. troops officially took charge of their occupation sector in southwest Berlin.

Allies suffered 10,000 total casualties on D-Day itself

THE Long  Foundation’s list isn’t complete, but says that it’s the best figure that we have to date. Of the 4,414 Allied deaths on June 6th, 2,501 were Americans and 1,913 were Allies. If the figure sounds low, Long says, it’s probably because we’re used to seeing estimates of the total number of D-Day casualties, which includes fatalities, the wounded and the missing.

While casualty figures are notoriously difficult to verify—not all wounded soldiers are counted, for example—the accepted estimate is that the Allies suffered 10,000 total casualties on D-Day itself. The highest casualties occurred on Omaha beach, where 2,000 U.S. troops were killed, wounded or went missing; at Sword Beach and Gold Beach, where 2,000 British troops were killed, wounded or went missing; and at Juno beach, where 340 Canadian soldiers were killed and another 574 wounded.

 

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For the RAF bombing campaign, see Battle of Berlin (air).

Battle of Berlin
Part of the Eastern Front of World War II
The Brandenburg Gate amid the ruins of Berlin, June 1945
Date 16 April – 2 May 1945
(2 weeks and 2 days)
Location BerlinGermany
52°31′N 13°23′ECoordinates52°31′N 13°23′E
Result Soviet victory

·         Suicide of Adolf Hitler and deaths of other high-ranking Nazi officials

·         Unconditional surrender of the Berlin city garrison on 2 May

·         Capitulation of German forces still fighting the battle outside Berlin on 8/9 May, following the unconditional surrender of all German forces

·         End of World War II in Europe and the destruction of Nazi Germany

Territorial
changes
Soviets occupy what would become East Germany during the Partition of Germanylater that year.
Belligerents
·          Soviet Union

·          Poland

 Germany
Commanders and leaders
Joseph Stalin·         1st Belorussian Front:

·         Georgy Zhukov

2nd Belorussian Front:

·         Konstantin Rokossovsky

1st Ukrainian Front:

·         Ivan Konev

Adolf Hitler ·         Army Group Vistula:

·         Gotthard Heinrici

·         Kurt von Tippelskirch [a]

Army Group Centre:

·         Ferdinand Schörner

Berlin Defence Area:

·         Hellmuth Reymann

·         Helmuth Weidling [b]

·         Rudolf Sieckenius 

·         Robert Ritter von Greim

Strength
·         Total strength:

o    2,300,000 soldiers (+155,900–200,000
Polish Army in the East)[1][2]

·         6,250 tanks and SP guns[2]

·         7,500 aircraft[2]

·         41,600 artillery pieces.[3][4]

·         For the investment and assault on the Berlin Defence Area: about 1,500,000 soldiers[5]

·         Total strength:

·         36 divisions[6]

·         766,750 soldiers[7]

·         1,519 AFVs[8]

·         2,224 aircraft[9]

·         9,303 artillery pieces[7][c]

·         In the Berlin Defence Area: about 45,000 soldiers, supplemented by the police force, Hitler Youth, and 40,000 Volkssturm[5][d]

Casualties and losses
·         Archival research
(operational total)·         81,116 dead or missing[10]·         280,251 sick or wounded·         1,997 tanks and SPGs destroyed[11]·         2,108 artillery pieces·         917 aircraft[11]
·         Estimated:
92,000–100,000 killed·         220,000 wounded[12][e]·         480,000 captured[13]·         Inside Berlin Defence Area:·         about 22,000 military dead·         22,000 civilian dead[14]

 

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Part of a series on the
History of Berlin
Margraviate of Brandenburg (1157–1806)
Kingdom of Prussia (1701–1918)
German Empire (1871–1918)
Free State of Prussia (1918–1947)
Weimar Republic (1919–1933)
·         1920s Berlin

·         Greater Berlin Act

Nazi Germany (1933–1945)
·         Welthauptstadt Germania

·         Bombing of Berlin in World War II

·         Battle of Berlin

West Germany and East Germany (1945–1990)
·         West Berlin and East Berlin

·         Berlin Wall

·         Berlin Blockade (1948–1949)

·         Berlin Crisis of 1961

·         “Ich bin ein Berliner” (1963)

·         “Tear Down This Wall” (1987)

Federal Republic of Germany(1990–present)
·         History of Germany and History of Europe
See also
·         Timeline of Berlin
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The Battle of Berlin, designated the Berlin Strategic Offensive Operation by the Soviet Union, and also known as the Fall of Berlin, was one of the last major offensives of the European theatre of World War II.[f]

Following the Vistula–Oder Offensive of January–February 1945, the Red Army had temporarily halted on a line 60 km (37 mi) east of Berlin. On 9 March, Germany established its defence plan for the city with Operation Clausewitz. The first defensive preparations at the outskirts of Berlin were made on 20 March, under the newly appointed commander of Army Group Vistula, General Gotthard Heinrici.

When the Soviet offensive resumed on 16 April, two Soviet fronts (army groups) attacked Berlin from the east and south, while a third overran German forces positioned north of Berlin. Before the main battle in Berlin commenced, the Red Army encircled the city after successful battles of the Seelow Heights and Halbe. On 20 April 1945, Hitler’s birthday, the 1st Belorussian Frontled by Marshal Georgy Zhukov, advancing from the east and north, started shelling Berlin’s city centre, while Marshal Ivan Konev‘s 1st Ukrainian Front broke through Army Group Centre and advanced towards the southern suburbs of Berlin. On 23 April General Helmuth Weidlingassumed command of the forces within Berlin. The garrison consisted of several depleted and disorganised Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS divisions, along with poorly trained Volkssturm and Hitler Youth members. Over the course of the next week, the Red Army gradually took the entire city.

On April 30th, Hitler committed suicide (with several of his officials also committing suicide shortly afterwards). The city’s garrison surrendered on 2 May but fighting continued to the north-west, west, and south-west of the city until the end of the war in Europe on 8 May (9 May in the Soviet Union) as some German units fought westward so that they could surrender to the Western Allies rather than to the Soviets.[15]

 

Second Front. In November, 1943, Joseph Stalin, Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt met together in Teheran, Iran, to discuss military strategy and post-warEurope. Ever since the Soviet Union had entered the war, Stalin had been demanding that the Allies open-up asecond front in Europe.

Second FrontIn November, 1943, Joseph StalinWinston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt met together in Teheran, Iran, to discuss military strategy and post-war Europe. Ever since the Soviet Union had entered the war, Stalin had been demanding that the Allies open-up a second front in Europe. Churchill and Roosevelt argued that any attempt to land troops in Western Europe would result in heavy casualties. Until the Soviet’s victory at Stalingrad in January, 1943, Stalin had feared that without a second front, Germany would defeat them.

Stalin, who always favoured in offensive strategy, believed that there were political, as well as military reasons for the Allies’ failure to open up a second front in Europe. Stalin was still highly suspicious of Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt and was worried about them signing a peace agreement with Adolf Hitler. The foreign policies of the capitalist countries since the October Revolution had convinced Stalin that their main objective was the destruction of the communist system in the Soviet Union. Stalin was fully aware that if Britain and the USA withdrew from the war, the Red Army would have great difficulty in dealing with Germany on its own.

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