“My constituency-level analysis of these poll figures estimates that party seat levels, should such national support trends be replicated in an actual general election, would be as follows: Fianna Fail 32, Fine Gael 56, Sinn Fein 37, Labour Party 3, Independents and Others 30″. ( Adrian Kavanagh)
UPDATE:SUPER-RICH IRISH AWASH WITH MONEY!
(SEE ALSO on this Blog: Tax Evasion by Irish Rich http://wp.me/pKzXa)
Though Ireland Is The 4th Richest Country in The world Per Head of Population, Government Falsely Claims That cuts to Social Welfare benefits will be needed unless pension age is raised to 67 next year.!!! https://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
Irish Independent June 8, 2020 :Cuts to social welfare will be needed if the new government does not push up the pension age to 67 next year.
The Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection has warned that reductions in other social protection payments may be necessary if the pension age stays the same.
It said ensuring the pension system is sustainable is vital if current workers are to receive a pension when they reach retirement age in the future.
The State pension age is currently 66 and is due to be increased to 67 next year and 68 in 2028.
Ireland is ranked 4th richest country in the world so how come we have the highest rate of low paid work in Europe or that 23.9% of our children are of risk of poverty. Could it be because of this inequality that Ireland is the fourth richest country in the world?
“Accumulation of wealth at one pole is at the same time accumulation of misery, agony, toil, slavery, ignorance, brutality, mental degradation, at the opposite pole.”
– Karl Marx
https://www.focus-economics.com/…/richest-countries-in-the-…
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Shameful 2020 Budget Worsens the Rich-Poor Divide in Irish Society
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Interesting Analysis: The roots of our discontent https://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
This right-wing extremism led by Varadkar, and supported by Fianna Fail, is the cause of the current crisis.
BY CL on the Blog Cedar Lounge Revolution
.“Imagine being in the prime of your life and at the top of your career and deciding what you want to do is target the most disadvantaged in society, those most discriminated against in the most tangible ways, economically and socially. Imagine feeling that you want to spell out a message that the most scandalous misappropriations are by the welfare classes not the bankster classes….
What constitutes robustness when standing up to the clowns in Fianna Fáil accelerates into meanness when deployed against the vulnerable and the impoverished in society….
Varadkar melds neoliberalism and anodyne blandness. But the glue he deploys is the most interesting thing about the man, for the glue is the glue of nastiness….
His MEPs unblinkingly voted against life-saving search and rescue measures for migrants in the Mediterranean on obscure grounds…
Uniquely in Europe Ireland does not have a system of universal healthcare. Cross-party consensus led to the reinstigation of universal healthcare as a goal under ‘Sláintecare’ but only at the end of the decade. There are more than 10,000 people waiting on hospital trolleys, twice the number a decade before and that has been the case for the last year.
85,000 people are on social housing lists. Yet hotels and student housing are rising all over the country’s capital….
Fine Gael is ideologically opposed to social housing as there is nothing in it for its buy-to-let-fetishising members…..
Its solutions are all developer-facilitating. Its Minister for Housing is in thrall to the building industry and will not consider compulsory purchase measures….
It is extraordinary that in every case where it cannot or won’t effectively intervene it is the wealthiest who benefit from Fine Gael’s inertia.
Fine Gael stands above all for property rights; it stands for sniffy intolerance of those economically and socially inferior to the party’s – now often youthful and cosmopolitan – hegemons….
it stands for laissez faire and deference to developers and multinationals; and for indulgence of those who are intolerant of migrants….It is the Nasty Party. And Leo Varadkar is its icon.”
https://villagemagazine.ie/go-easier-on-the-nastiness/
This right-wing extremism led by Varadkar, and supported by Fianna Fail, is the cause of the current crisis.
————————————————————Ireland has fifth-largest number of billionaires per capita in the world, says Oxfam https://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
There are now 17 Irish billionaires, the vast majority of whom are men, ranking Ireland behind just Hong Kong, Cyprus, Switzerland and Singapore in terms of ultra-wealthy individuals relative to the wider population (and above USA, Germany, UK, France, Japan),according to the charity.
Joe Brennan, Irish Times, Monday, January 20, 2020
Ireland has the fifth-largest number of billionaires per capita in the world, Oxfam said in a report ahead of the World Economic Forum conference in the Swiss ski resort of Davos this week.
There are now 17 Irish billionaires, the vast majority of whom are men, ranking Ireland behind just Hong Kong, Cyprus, Switzerland and Singapore in terms of ultra-wealthy individuals relative to the wider population, according to the charity.
The Irish figures reflect a “global trend when it comes to wealth inequality”, with the world’s 2,153 billionaires owning more wealth than the 4.6 billion people who make up 60 per cent of the planet’s population.
Oxfam has called for governments to create fairer fiscal systems and crack down on tax loopholes to raise the revenue needed to invest in national care systems and public services, without relying on unpaid and under-paid work by women.
The report comes as many of the world’s billionaires will join political and corporate leaders as well as celebrities at the 50th forum in Davos between January 21st and 24th.
The Irish billionaire list includes: Dublin-born Hilary Weston, who together with her husband Galen Weston heads up an international fashion and food empire; Patrick and John Collison of payments giant Stripe; and John Dorrance III, the American-born grandson of the creator of the formula for Campbell’s condensed soup. He moved to Ireland in the mid-1990s.
Who are the Irish billionaires?
The list, which draws on billionaire estimates of Forbes and the Sunday Times, also includes the family of beef magnate Larry Goodman, telecoms businessman Denis O’Brien and the Dunne and Heffernan families behind Dunnes Stores.
The Oxfam report outlines how half the world’s population continues to live on less than €5 a day. Women in particular “get a raw deal as the global economy fails to adequately reward those who carry out care work”.
Women do more than three-quarters of all unpaid care work globally, said Oxfam. The organisation said that this contributes at least $10.8 trillion (€9.7 trillion) a year.
In Ireland, women do 38 million hours of unpaid care work every week, contributing at least €24 billion to the economy every year, said Oxfam. That is the equivalent of about one-eighth of the entire annual national economy.
“Sexist economies are fuelling the inequality crisis – enabling a wealthy elite to accumulate vast fortunes at the expense of ordinary people and particularly women and girls,” said chief executive of Oxfam Ireland John Clarken. “Our upside-down economic system deepens inequality by chronically undervaluing care work – usually done by women and girls.”
He added: “Unpaid care work is the ‘hidden engine’ that keeps the wheels of our economies, businesses and societies moving.”
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Paddy Healy: Excellent Article by Fintan O’Toole https://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
BUT I wish to Add: Official Statistics show that the poorest 10% of Income recipients pay the same proportion of their income in tax as the top 10% when all taxes including VAT are taken into account. But Varadkar will give those on low incomes no tax relief no matter how early they get up in the morning!!!! Neither will he tax the massive wealth of the Irish Super-rich. But it has been announced this morning that new charges are to be imposed on Homecare recipients!!
Fintan O’Toole: Varadkar’s vacuous slogan reveals his mean streak
Looking forward to the general election, the Taoiseach said that “part of the reason why we’ll seek a mandate for the next term is so that we can do a lot more for all those people who get up early in the morning, all those people who work really hard and pay a lot of tax”.
Fintan O’Toole, Irish Times, Tuesday, December 31, 2019
He’s at it again. In his end-of-year briefing for political correspondents Leo Varadkar provided a preview of his election slogan for 2020. And it’s going to be the same mindless mantra that saw him home in the Fine Gael leadership election in 2017.
Looking forward to the general election, the Taoiseach said that “part of the reason why we’ll seek a mandate for the next term is so that we can do a lot more for all those people who get up early in the morning, all those people who work really hard and pay a lot of tax”.
He obviously believes that the catchphrase is a winner. In truth, it manages to expose and encapsulate his two rather contrary weaknesses – a tendency to vacuity on the one hand and to nastiness on the other.
I must admit that I’ve despised the phrase ever since Varadkar started using it because both my parents were people who got up before the “people who get up early in the morning”.
While Varadkar is obviously convinced that the slogan makes him the chosen conductor of the dawn chorus of chirpy citizens, it is uncomfortably revealing of his own mean streak
My father was often up in the dark hours to walk or cycle from our house in Crumlin to Donnybrook garage to take out one of the first buses that got other people to work. My mother got up at half past five to cycle to Burgh Quay to clean the offices of the Irish Press before the journalists got in for the early shift.
Neither of them is the sort of person Varadkar wants to represent. He has no interest in or understanding of the lives of people who work in low-paid jobs – to merit his concern one must “pay a lot of tax”.
Elderly parents
“People who get up early in the morning” is a category with no distinctive content.
Single mothers get up early in the morning to feed and change little babies that stir before dawn. Carers get up early in the morning to calm elderly parents with dementia who wake in the dark and don’t know where they are.
Aspiring writers get up early in the morning to get a few pages of their putative masterpiece done before the kids wake for school. Obsessive gamers get up early in the morning to get back online.
Statistically, the people least likely to be up early in the morning are those who live in Dublin 4 and on the Dingle Peninsula. What unites them in this regard? Nothing. As a social description the phrase expresses only the glibness of the speaker.
Yet as Simon Coveney pointed out when Varadkar started peddling it in 2017, its real purpose is to set people against each other: “that kind of language is about separating the public sector from the private sector, separating the achievers from the non-achievers”.”Insofar as it has any meaning at all the motto actually evokes the great failure of both Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil – the construction of a society in which people “get up early in the morning” to sit in traffic and crawl, stressed and hypercaffeinated, to work.”
Hence the way it manages to be both empty and nasty – it says nothing in itself but suggests the existence of two opposed categories of Irish people, the virtuous early-risers and the bed-bound good-for-nothings.
While Varadkar is obviously convinced that the slogan makes him the chosen conductor of the dawn chorus of chirpy citizens, it is uncomfortably revealing of his own mean streak.
Insofar as it has any meaning at all the motto actually evokes the great failure of both Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil – the construction of a society in which people “get up early in the morning” to sit in traffic and crawl, stressed and hypercaffeinated, to work.
Terrible planning
Terrible planning and appalling housing policies have created a way of life in which, in the 2016 census, one fifth of workers in Wicklow and Meath had a commute of one hour or more to their job, along with around one in six of those who resided in Kildare, Laois, and Westmeath.
Getting up early in the morning isn’t a badge of honour or a sign of virtue or a mark of the true entrepreneurial spirit
Nearly 200,000 people spent an hour or more commuting to work in 2016, with an average travel time of 74 minutes. Conversely, only one in four commuters had a travel time of 15 minutes or less.
These figures have almost certainly worsened in the last four years as more and more people have been priced out of Dublin by the Government’s disastrous housing policies.
In this real world getting up early in the morning isn’t a badge of honour or a sign of virtue or a mark of the true entrepreneurial spirit. It is a cruel necessity.
It is bad for personal health and for family life. It is environmentally unsustainable – one of the reasons Ireland is among the worst countries in Europe at controlling carbon emissions in that Ireland is also one of Europe’s most car-dependent societies.”Nearly 200,000 people spent an hour or more commuting to work in 2016, with an average travel time of 74 minutes. Conversely, only one in four commuters had a travel time of 15 minutes or less.” File photograph: Brenda Fitzsimons
Every national plan over the last 30 years has recognised the scale of this problem and promised to tackle it. No government has done so, and Varadkar’s has managed to make it worse by making Dublin uninhabitable for ordinary, young, working people.
Instead of flogging divisive slogans, Varadkar, like anyone else who claims to be able to lead Ireland for the next five years, needs to speak to the need for a profound transformation in the way Irish society must organise itself as a decarbonised economy.
He needs to tell us how we will get to a point where many fewer people have to get up way too early in the morning.
© 2019 irishtimes.com
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Common Dreams, Friday, December 27, 2019 https://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
The 500 richest people in the world, all of whom are billionaires, gained a combined $1.2 trillion in wealth in 2019, further exacerbating inequities that have not been seen since the late 1920s.- the planet’s 500 richest people saw their collective net worth soar by 25 percent over last year up to $5.9 trillion.
“In the U.S., the richest 0.1% control a bigger share of the pie than at any time since 1929.”
By Jake Johnson, staff writer
The 500 richest people in the world, all of whom are billionaires, gained a combined $1.2 trillion in wealth in 2019, further exacerbating inequities that have not been seen since the late 1920s.
That’s according to a new Bloomberg analysis published Friday, which found that the planet’s 500 richest people saw their collective net worth soar by 25 percent to $5.9 trillion over the last year.
“In the U.S., the richest 0.1 percent control a bigger share of the pie than at any time since 1929,” Bloomberg noted. “The 172 American billionaires on the Bloomberg ranking added $500 billion, with Facebook Inc.’s Mark Zuckerberg up $27.3 billion and Microsoft Corp. co-founder Bill Gates [rising] $22.7 billion.”
According to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, eight of the 10 richest people in the world are from the U.S.
Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos lost nearly $9 billion in wealth in 2019, according to Bloomberg, but he will still likely end the year as the richest man in the world with a total net worth of $116 billion.
The analysis comes as 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, particularly Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), have made tackling inequality a key component of their policy platforms.
Warren has proposed an annual two percent tax on assets over $50 million and a three percent tax on assets above $1 billion.
Sanders, who has said he does not believe billionaires should exist, is calling for a wealth tax that would slash the fortunes of U.S. billionaires in half over 15 years, according to his campaign.
“A small handful of billionaires should not be able to accumulate more money than they could spend in 10 lifetimes,” Sanders said in September, “while millions of Americans are living in poverty and dying because they can’t afford healthcare.”
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Poverty in Dublin This Christmas
Per Head of Population, Ireland has More Super-rich than USA or Germany-And They are not paying a Penny in Tax on their Wealth! https://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
Poverty in Dublin: Over 2,500 food parcels given to city’s poor
Kitty Holland, Irish Times, Friday, December 20, 2019,
More than 2,500 Christmas food parcels were distributed on Friday to some of the poorest individuals and families in Dublin at the Capuchin day centre.
The centre provides breakfast and lunch for up to 1, 000 people six days a week and distributes larger Christmas parcels annually. It also dispenses food parcels weekly and baby supplies including nappies and formula milk to about 300 families every Monday.
Centre co-ordinator Alan Bailey says people were queuing shortly after 5am for the Christmas parcels which contained butter, ham, cooked turkey portions, cooked chicken, rashers, sausages, black pudding, milk, tea, sugar, biscuits, custard, tinned salmon and tinned vegetables.
Among those who had collected a parcel was Siber Haibib who returned at 1pm with her four children – aged between 16 and four – for the lunch.
The family are Irish citizens and had been in Ireland between 2002 and 2014 before moving to the United Kingdom. Following the breakdown of her marriage, Ms Haibib returned to Ireland in September with the children and they now live in one hotel room.
She heard of the day centre from a friend who suggested it as she has to be out of the hotel between 9am and 6pm.
“In the morning after I bring the children to schools, I come here and join the people here. They are nice people. After I go to a shopping centre and stay there and hope security won’t tell me to go.”
Brotherly love: Br Seán Donohoe among the several thousand Christmas hamper parcels at the Capuchin Day Centre for Homeless People. Photograph: Sam Boal/Rollingnews.ieChristmas hampers: Over 2,500 parcels being handed out by the Capuchin Day Centre for Homeless People this morning. Photo: Sam Boal/Rollingnews.ieNeedful things: Hampers being handed out at the centre this morning. Photograph: Sam Boal/Rollingnews.iePiled high: The parcels contain butter, ham, cooked turkey portions, cooked chicken, rashers, sausages, black pudding, milk, tea, sugar, biscuits. Photograph: Sam Boal/Rollingnews.ie
A few weeks ago her youngest child was sick and she had to bring her with her for the day, around the city, until they could return to the hotel. “It is really hard, but this is a good place.”
While the centre has always provided meals and assistance to single homeless people, a section of the hall is now cordoned off for families.
Stacey Chapman too has returned for lunch, with her children aged two and 12, having collected a food parcel in the morning.
The lives of others
They are from from Blanchardstown, have been homeless three years and are now in emergency accommodation in Ashbourne, Co Meath. She drops her son to school in Blanchardstown each morning before travelling to the centre for lunch, returns to Blanchardstown and then Ashbourne.
“They are very kind here. It’s a great place. They helped me when I was pregnant too and with the baby with nappies and that. Christmas? They gave us a hamper so I just have to get some potatoes and make the most of it. You’d like your home and your own stability. It’s very hard on you as a mother surviving being homeless and trying to protect your kids from it.”
Donna O’Brien is with her three-year-old son. Having been homeless for three years and having “fought hard” for a council flat, they moved into one in September. But, she says, it is damp, cold and with mould growing around the windows.
“I had to move him into my bed because the heating is gone in his room. We wake in the morning and we’re shivering. The council say they’ll replace the windows but I’ve had to move out. It’s just too cold.
“We are with friends, but that can’t last. The council are saying we can go back into emergency accommodation. I’m devastated,” she says. She does not want to talk about Christmas.
Outside, two more families are waiting for space in the family section.
The centre will close on Christmas Eve at 4 pm, reopening for breakfast at 7am on St Stephen’s Day.
On Christmas Day, the Knights of St Columbanus will serve dinner from 11am at the RDS.
© 2019 irishtimes.com
—————————————————————-The Rich Avoid Taxes, the Rest Pay the Price https://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
A new book looks at the cost to society and to democracy of allowing the super-rich to pay almost no tax-Professor of Politics at UCD, Aidan Regan, in SB Post
“Ireland has excelled at providing professional accountancy and legal services to wealthy individuals and corporations on how to minimise their tax obligations.”
Summary
Capital income is becoming tax-free.
In USA, Multibillionaires pay Less Tax than those who earn $18,500.
Tax avoidance is the main contributing factor to the explosion in US income and wealth inequality.
Tax avoidance by the ultra-rich increases inequality, undermines democracy, and creates a plutocracy. In order to ensure that the rich pay their fair share of taxes, Saez and Zucman propose several policy solutions. The main one is a net wealth tax of 3 per cent on billionaires. This proposal now underpins Elizabeth Warren’s Democratic election campaign.
By Aidan Regan, Associate Professor of Politics, UCD, SB POST Nov 17, 2019
“Ireland has excelled at providing professional accountancy and legal services to wealthy individuals and corporations on how to minimise their tax obligations. These firms and individuals are often held up as the architects of Ireland’s growth model, turning the little island of Ireland into a story of rags to riches…….
“It is true that Zuckerberg(Facebook) paid corporate income tax. But with the help of Ireland, among others, Facebook can shift these profits to Bermuda, and significantly reduce the corporate income tax on these profits. Low corporate taxes mean the ultra-rich can basically get away with paying nothing. Even without the support of financial opacity in tax havens, corporate income tax rates globally have fallen from an average of 49 per cent in the 1980s to 25 per cent today.”
Full Article: Capital income is becoming tax-free.
This is the bold claim of Immanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman in their new book, The Triumph of Tax Injustice – How the Rich Dodge Taxes and How to Make Them Pay.
Saez and Zucman are the world’s leading economists on the question of corporate tax avoidance. They’ve moved far away from the ivory tower of academia, and launched themselves into the US presidential election debate by designing Elizabeth Warren’s proposed wealth tax.
Saez and Zucman open their book with an astute observation. On live TV, during the 2016 US presidential election campaign, Hillary Clinton challenged Donald Trump on his tax affairs. Trump brazenly admitted that he avoided paying taxes, declaring that this “makes him smart”. He then pointed out that many of the donors to the Clinton campaign do the same thing. Rich people are smart. This is why they avoid tax. This is why they are rich.
The idea that avoiding taxes is smart is a widely held view, albeit one that is rarely spoken. There is an entire industry dedicated to it. Ireland has excelled at providing professional accountancy and legal services to wealthy individuals and corporations on how to minimise their tax obligations. These firms and individuals are often held up as the architects of Ireland’s growth model, turning the little island of Ireland into a story of rags to riches.
Those who provide services to facilitate multinationals to avoid paying corporate tax are certainly clever. They provide a gift to the richest of the rich in America. Reducing taxes on corporate income increases the profits that can be distributed to shareholders. These shareholders are typically rich individuals who own large amounts of business assets. The fact that promoting tax avoidance undermines democracy is conveniently left unspoken.
The justification for tax avoidance is that capitalism harnesses human greed for the common good. Giving the rich tax-free income means more investment and more jobs. The idea behind this is trickle-down economics. But you will be hard pressed to find any economist who believes in this idea any more. Tax avoidance just means a growth in top incomes for the highest earners. This means more savings and more luxury consumption for the rich. It is the main contributing factor to the explosion in US income and wealth inequality.
The income share of the US top 1 per cent has doubled from 10 per cent to 20 per cent over the past two decades. Meanwhile, their tax contributions have declined. In 1970, the richest Americans paid more than 50 per cent of their income in taxes. In 2018, they paid around 20 per cent. Furthermore, and this is the shock headline of Saez and Zucman’s book, the richest 400 billionaires in America pay less tax today than the bottom 50 per cent of the population. Multibillionaires pay less tax than those who earn $18,500. For Saez and Zucman, this is the triumph of tax injustice.
As a per cent of their overall income, the richest 400 Americans pay less than the poorest in society. The reason for this is that the US has instituted a giant flat tax, which means that those who earn less pay more as a total of their income. When you add all local, consumption, payroll, state and federal taxes, the average American worker pays 28 per cent of their income in taxes. This equals an average of $20,000 per worker every year. This is not the case for the rich, who pay an effective tax rate of 20 per cent. The US used to have a highly progressive income tax regime. But since the 1980s, it has become steeply regressive.
To study income distribution, it is useful to separate society into four different groups: the working class (bottom 50 per cent), the middle class (middle 40 per cent), the upper middle class (top 9 per cent), and the rich (the top 1 per cent). Within the top 1 per cent, there are also two different worlds – the millionaires and billionaires (typically in the top 0.01 per cent). Saez and Zucman’s contribution is to calculate exactly how much tax each group pays as a percentage of their total income.
US national income is just over $18.5 trillion. If you divide this up into a pie and distribute it accordingly, the top 10 per cent take 46 per cent of total income. Within this, the top 1 per cent take a massive 20 per cent slice, which has doubled since the 1980s. The middle 40 per cent take 40 per cent of national income, whereas the bottom 50 per cent take a mere 12 per cent of total income. The story of the US is the struggle of the working class, and the decline of social mobility out of this group.
The average income of working-class Americans (half the American population) is $18,500. The middle class earn on average $75,000. This makes them one of the most prosperous groups in the world. The average income of the upper middle class (21 million people) is $220,000. The average income of the 2.4 million richest Americans (the 1 per cent) is $1.5 million. For Saez and Zucman, when it comes to understanding the steeply regressive nature of taxes, the main faultline in US society is between the top 1 per cent and the rest.
So which social group pays what exactly in taxes? As a general rule, taxes on labour are paid by workers, while taxes on capital are paid by capital asset owners. Consumption taxes are paid by all consumers. Every American pays an average 28 per cent tax rate. However, when private health insurance contributions are included, taxes on the working class increase to around 30 per cent, and almost 40 per cent for the middle class. This then decreases for the top 1 per cent to about 28 per cent, and for the ultra-wealthy, it is lowered further to 23 per cent.
One of the main reasons why the rich pay less tax is that a lot of their income has become tax-free. Only 63 per cent of total income in America is taxable. One of the reasons for this is that capital income is becoming tax-free. Capital income taxes on dividends and pensions accounts have been reduced significantly since the 1980s. Capital gains taxes have also been reduced to an average of 20 per cent. And perhaps most importantly, undistributed corporate profits are tax-free. Capital income is becoming more and more legally exempt from taxation.
The rich pay less because more of their income is exempt from taxation. Ninety-nine per cent of the population earn their living from labour income – wages. Taxes on wages have actually gone up over time. But for the top 1 per cent, half their income comes from capital income, whereas for multibillionaires, it is over two-thirds. This means that for the richest of the rich in America, two-thirds of their income is taxed less than the wages of the working and middle classes of America. Donald Trump’s recent tax reform was a gift to multibillionaires like himself. The only form of income that did not get a tax cut in this radical fiscal reform were wages.
There are multiple examples that can be used to show how capital income avoids taxation. Saez and Zucman use the example of Mark Zuckerberg. He owns 20 per cent of Facebook, which made $20 billion in profit in 2018. Therefore his income was $4 billion. But Facebook did not pay dividends in 2018, so this income was not subject to taxation. Not paying dividends and buying back stock is a useful way to avoid tax. The widely held practice of having liquid cash in the bank is really only something that matters to working and middle-class families.
It is true that Zuckerberg paid corporate income tax. But with the help of Ireland, among others, Facebook can shift these profits to Bermuda, and significantly reduce the corporate income tax on these profits. Low corporate taxes mean the ultra-rich can basically get away with paying nothing. Even without the support of financial opacity in tax havens, corporate income tax rates globally have fallen from an average of 49 per cent in the 1980s to 25 per cent today.
The poor pay a lot because of payroll taxes, which have increased from 3 per cent to 15 per cent from the 1980s until today. Meanwhile, US wages have stagnated. The consumption of the poor is also taxed much more heavily. The consumption of the rich is not. Unlike Europe, there is no Vat system in America. There is just consumption taxes. Large amounts of the services the rich use are not taxed as consumption. For example, using the services of a corporate lawyer is tax-free. Going to see the opera is tax-free. But buying food and petrol is taxed.
Sales taxes consume 10 per cent of poor people’s income, whereas it is less than 1 per cent for the rich. As Saez and Zucman point out, there is no tax haven for the poor. Historically, the US used to have a much fairer tax system. Federal income taxes were introduced to offset the regressive nature of consumption taxes, and to reduce inequality. In the aftermath of World War II, the US pioneered progressive income taxes. Unlike Europe, who experimented with nationalisations, the US used the fiscal tools of the state to ensure a rising tide lifts all boats.
The tax-free income bonanza for the rich can be traced to politics and ideas. Since Ronald Reagan declared that taxation is a form of theft, the industry dedicated to legally avoiding taxes boomed. This industry legitimised itself by legally distinguishing between tax evasion and avoidance. The working classes and small businesses evaded taxes, while their rich clients simply avoided them, through tax planning. Until recently, within the economics profession, there’s also been a widely held view that capital is mobile, and therefore it will move to where it pays less tax. On this basis, we might as well make it tax-free.
With some notable exceptions, this view is increasingly being challenged. Not only does legally exempting capital income from taxation fundamentally undermine the social contract of democracy, it fuels popular resentment against globalisation and open borders. Why keep faith in globalisation if all it does is enrich the wealthiest at the expense of everyone else? Furthermore, there is growing research showing that legally exempting capital income from taxation undermines market competition, while enhancing rent-seeking monopolies.
More generally, by legally exempting capital income, the US government is missing out on a huge amount of lost revenue to fund public goods. Saez and Zucman show how increasing taxes on the rich could facilitate a reduction of taxation on wage income, while increasing the total amount of revenue available to the US to invest in education and healthcare.
Tax avoidance by the ultra-rich increases inequality, undermines democracy, and creates a plutocracy. In order to ensure that the rich pay their fair share of taxes, Saez and Zucman propose several policy solutions. The main one is a net wealth tax of 3 per cent on billionaires. This proposal now underpins Elizabeth Warren’s Democratic election campaign. It is designed to ensure that the stock of wealth is taxed instead of the flow of income. If it had been in place since 1982, Bill Gates would be worth $42 billion today, instead of $97 billion. Jeff Bezos would be worth $95 billion, instead of $160 billion. Needless to say, the rich don’t like it.
But it is worth asking the question – what’s the social utility of giving multibillionaires extra billions? Does it really make a difference if someone has one hundred thousand million instead of one hundred and fifty thousand million? If multibillionaires knew their stock of wealth will be taxed, maybe they’d be forced to spend it on new and better entrepreneurial investments, instead of hoarding it as stock, and using it to monopolise markets? Or maybe instead of these billions sitting idly in individual stock, the democratic state could redirect these resources into public investments, such as guaranteeing free university education?
Aidan Regan is an associate professor at the School of Politics and International Relations at University College Dublin
Aidan Regan is an Associate Professor at the School of Politics and International Relations at University College Dublin (UCD). He is Director of UCD’s Jean Monnet Centre of Excellence in the New Political Economy of Europe( But not a Jean Monnet Professor???), and Director of Graduate Master Studies at the School of Politics. Prior to UCD, Aidan was a postdoctoral fellow at the Max Planck Institute for the Study of Societies in Germany (MPIfG), and a Max Weber postdoctoral fellow at the European University Institute (EUI) in Italy. Aidan completed his PhD in Public Policy at the College of Social Science at UCD, whilst also working at the Amsterdam Institute for Advanced Labour Studies (AIAS), at the University of Amsterdam. Aidan’s research is focused on the comparative political economy of Europe. In particular, he specialises in the comparative politics of the eurozone crisis, industrial relations, housing markets and the welfare state. His work has appeared in various scientific journals including Perspectives on Politics, Politics and Society, New Political Economy, the Journal for Common Market Studies, European Journal of Industrial Relations, Comparative European Politics, Socio-Economic Review, Intereconomics, among other outlets. Aidan is a network organiser at the Society for the Advancement of Socio-Economics (SASE), and the Council for European Studies (CES). He teaches undergraduate and postgraduate modules at UCD, including Capitalism and Democracy, the Politics of Inequality, and the Political Economy of Europe.
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————————————————————Deputy Seamus Healy TD: I call on the Government, and Ministers of State Deputy Finian McGrath and Deputy Halligan in particular, to introduce a supplementary budget to do the right thing, to give at least the increase that Social Justice Ireland is looking for, €9 per week, and ensure the minimum wage is increased accordingly. https://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
Dáil Speech on Social Welfare(NO 2) Bill, Seamus Healy TD Nov 13
Social Justice Ireland states the poverty gap has widened as a result of the budget and as a result of the implementation of the measures in this Bill.
I welcome the opportunity to speak to the Bill. I also welcome the measures contained in the Bill such as the Christmas bonus, the increase in the living alone allowance, the 35,000 hot meals to be provided for school children and other similar provdisions. What is contained in a Bill, however, is not always what is most important and this Bill is a classic example. What is not included in it is very important. It will, effectively, implement a freeze on social welfare payments and the national minimum wage. It will implement the measures included in a budget that was deeply regressive, cut the living standards of the poorest families in society, is socially unjust and will widen the gap between rich and poor. The excuse for doing this in the past, of course, was austerity. The excuse this time is Brexit. There is, however, no justification whatsoever for implementing a freeze.
Many independent organisations, agencies and individuals confirm that there is great need in society and that money is available to address them.
Social Justice Ireland, for instance, has described the budget as a betrayal of the most vulnerable in society. It is worth reading a small paragraph of its analysis. It states:
Budget 2020 failed in its basic task to protect the vulnerable. While TDs will see their salaries rise by about €1,600 in the coming year (€30 a week) many of Ireland’s most vulnerable people will see their welfare payments remain unchanged.
Among other things they will face additional increases in the cost of food – [and] public transport as a result of increased carbon tax.
Social Justice Ireland also states the poverty gap has widened as a result of the budget and as a result of the implementation of the measures in this Bill. It states:
One in every six people in Ireland lives with an income below the poverty line (15.7% of the population). Based on the latest CSO data, this corresponds to approximately 760,000 people. Social Justice Ireland has consistently pointed out that a lesson from previous experiences is that the vulnerable in our society get left behind unless welfare increases keep pace with increases elsewhere in the economy.
Social Justice Ireland calls for an increase of €9 per week in social welfare payments across the board to keep in line with cost increases.
The ESRI states in its commentary that the budget had a greater impact on the incomes of poor households. It has calculated that the budget will reduce the incomes of the poorest 10% of households by 3%. Mr. Michael Taft, a trade union economist, explains that pensioners will, as a result of the budget and the fact that there is no increase for pensioners in this Bill, be less well off to the tune of €168 per year. He states that keeping pace with inflation and what the Government has forecast to be cost of living would require at least €3.22 more per week. Government inflation forecasts are 0.9% in 2019, 1.3% in 2020 and 1.4% in 2021. Therefore, it would take a minimum increase of €3.22 per week for pensioners to maintain their current standard of living.
We know already that middle and low-income families and social welfare recipients struggle daily to make ends meet. They have hardly two cent to rub together at the end of the week. Any additional costs whatsoever, such as costs associated with an unexpected illness, bereavement, Holy Communion or confirmation, puts them into debt and puts serious pressure on low-income families.
We know from many agencies that circumstances are very difficult for the low-income families. The ESRI and CSO have pointed out that there are 760,000 living below the poverty line. We are aware that there are 110,000 working poor and 137,000 working on the minimum wage. There are 230,000 children living below the poverty line. Some 28% of the population experience fuel poverty, and 44.5% of lone-parent families experience deprivation. We are aware that the lowest 10% of income earners pay the same percentage of their income in tax as the wealthiest 10%. Therefore, it is shameful that the Government has frozen the incomes of these poorer families. Worse still, it is not just a freeze but a cut to the income of pensioners, social welfare recipients and those on the minimum wage. There is no justification for that.
There is money available to pay increases to the affected groups. The Social Insurance Fund is currently in surplus to the tune of €1.4 billion. Only yesterday, the Minister for Finance, Deputy Paschal Donohoe, told us that Ireland’s fiscal position for 2019 would be better than the 0.2% budget surplus he forecast about a month ago. He went on to say he would deliver a budget surplus of in excess of 0.5% in 2020. Therefore, the money exists.
Ireland is one of the richest countries in the world. In fact, it is the eighth richest. Recent studies shows that the top 10% of wealthy people in this country own 58.4% of all wealth. The top 5% own 46.4% of all wealth, and the top 1% own 27.3% of all wealth. It is worth thinking about that. These figures prompted the well-known economist David McWilliams to propose a wealth tax. He stated wealth tax revenue of anything from €2 billion to €20 billion could be collected on a sliding scale, depending on whether a tax of 0.5% or 5% is imposed and the category for which it is introduced. A minimum of €2 billion in wealth tax revenue would be available to the Government if it were prepared to make exceptionally wealthy people pay their fair share of tax. Of course, the Government chose to support very wealthy individuals through the assignee relief scheme. Some €28 million was available, meaning individuals could gain up to €130,000 per year in tax relief.
Studies shows there are 2,055 super-rich individuals in this country. This is the fifth highest proportion in the world, ahead of the United States, the United Kingdom, Germany, France and Japan. We have 421 super-rich individuals per 1 million of the population of the State, yet there is no wealth tax. The financial assets of the richest 10% in this country are now worth €50 billion more than at the peak of the boom, which was in 2006. Again, there is no taxation of these super-rich individuals. We hear regularly about broadening the tax base. I suggest to the Minister that it is about time we broadened it to force the super-wealthy individuals to pay their fair share of tax and support society generally.
The figures I have given show there is no justification whatsoever for cutting the income of pensioners, social welfare recipients and workers on the minimum wage. We know what they need. The Government has the money and a means of getting money to make a reasonable payment available to poorer families. It is worth reminding the House that this Bill not only freezes the income of poorer families but also cuts it. I call on the Government, and Ministers of State Deputy Finian McGrath and Deputy Halligan in particular, to introduce a supplementary budget to do the right thing, to give at least the increase that Social Justice Ireland is looking for, €9 per week, and ensure the minimum wage is increased accordingly.
What has happened in the budget and what will be implemented in this legislation is unacceptable. There is a great need out there and the Government has the money and the wherewithal to tackle the situation and to give reasonable increases to families that are poor and families that are under pressure every day of the week.
Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection, Regina Doherty TD
“Several Deputies expressed disappointment at the lack of across-the-board increases for all of the people whom I and my Department have the privilege of serving. I share their disappointment. It is a pity that we are in a situation whereby we must stall what has been the practice in the past couple of years of increasing payments across the schemes. I know how difficult it is for people to live on that single income on which they are entirely reliant.”
Paddy Healy:Total Hypocracy. The Social Insurance Fund had a surplus of contributions over paid benefits of 1.4 billion in 2019. The total Increase in the spending budget of the Minister’s entire department was far
—————————————————————-Josef Stiglitz: ‘Unfettered neoliberalism will literally destroy our civilisation – it’s time for a new era of Enlightenment’
Influence: Stock markets can have more power than a country’s citizens.
Josef Stiglitz Irish Independent, November 7 2019 https://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
At the end of the Cold War, political scientist Francis Fukuyama wrote a celebrated essay called ‘The End of History?’ Communism’s collapse, he argued, would clear the last obstacle separating the entire world from its destiny of liberal democracy and market economies. Many people agreed.
Today, as we face a retreat from the rules-based, liberal global order, with autocratic rulers and demagogues leading countries that contain well over half the world’s population, Fukuyama’s idea seems quaint and naive. But it reinforced the neoliberal economic doctrine that has prevailed for the last 40 years.
The credibility of neoliberalism’s faith in unfettered markets as the surest road to shared prosperity is on life-support these days. And well it should be. The simultaneous waning of confidence in neoliberalism and in democracy is no coincidence or mere correlation. Neoliberalism has undermined democracy for 40 years.
The form of globalisation prescribed by neoliberalism left individuals and entire societies unable to control an important part of their own destiny, as Dani Rodrik of Harvard University has explained so clearly, and as I argue in my recent books ‘Globalisation and Its Discontents Revisited’ and ‘People, Power, and Profits’.
The effects of capital-market liberalisation were particularly odious: if a leading presidential candidate in an emerging market lost favour with Wall Street, the banks would pull their money out of the country. Voters then faced a stark choice: Give in to Wall Street or face a severe financial crisis.
It was as if Wall Street had more political power than the country’s citizens.
Even in rich countries, ordinary citizens were told, “You can’t pursue the policies you want” – whether adequate social protection, decent wages, progressive taxation, or a well-regulated financial system – “because the country will lose competitiveness, jobs will disappear, and you will suffer”.
In rich and poor countries alike, elites promised that neoliberal policies would lead to faster economic growth, and that the benefits would trickle down so that everyone, including the poorest, would be better off.
To get there, though, workers would have to accept lower wages, and all citizens would have to accept cutbacks in important government programmes.
The elites claimed that their promises were based on scientific economic models and “evidence-based research”.
Well, after 40 years, the numbers are in: growth has slowed, and the fruits of that growth went overwhelmingly to a very few at the top.
As wages stagnated and the stock market soared, income and wealth flowed up, rather than trickling down.
How can wage restraint – to attain or maintain competitiveness – and reduced government programmes possibly add up to higher standards of living? Ordinary citizens felt like they had been sold a bill of goods. They were right to feel conned.
We are now experiencing the political consequences of this grand deception: distrust of the elites, of the economic “science” on which neoliberalism was based, and of the money-corrupted political system that made it all possible.
The reality is that, despite its name, the era of neoliberalism was far from liberal. It imposed an intellectual orthodoxy whose guardians were utterly intolerant of dissent. Economists with heterodox views were treated as heretics to be shunned, or at best shunted off to a few isolated institutions. Neoliberalism bore little resemblance to the “open society” that Karl Popper had advocated. As George Soros has emphasised, Popper recognised that our society is a complex, ever-evolving system in which the more we learn, the more our knowledge changes the behaviour of the system.
Nowhere was this intolerance greater than in macroeconomics, where the prevailing models ruled out the possibility of a crisis like the one we experienced in 2008. When the impossible happened, it was treated as if it were a 500-year flood – a freak occurrence that no model could have predicted. Even today, advocates of these theories refuse to accept that their belief in self-regulating markets and their dismissal of externalities as either non-existent or unimportant led to the deregulation that was pivotal in fuelling the crisis. The theory continues to survive, with Ptolemaic attempts to make it fit the facts, which attests to the reality that bad ideas, once established, often have a slow death.
If the 2008 financial crisis failed to make us realise that unfettered markets don’t work, the climate crisis certainly should: neoliberalism will literally bring an end to our civilisation. But it is also clear that demagogues who would have us turn our back on science and tolerance will only make matters worse.
The only way forward, the only way to save our planet and our civilisation, is a rebirth of history. We must revitalise the Enlightenment and recommit to honouring its values of freedom, respect for knowledge, and democracy. (© Project Syndicate, 2019)
——————————————————Guardian: Decades of Free Market Orthodoxy have Damaged Democracy
Neoliberalism has undermined democracy for 40 years. https://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
“The simultaneous waning of confidence in neoliberalism and in democracy is no coincidence or mere correlation.
“The form of globalisation prescribed by neoliberalism left individuals and entire societies unable to control an important part of their own destiny…
“Even in rich countries, ordinary citizens were told: ‘You can’t pursue the policies you want’ – whether adequate social protection, decent wages, progressive taxation, or a well-regulated financial system – ‘because the country will lose competitiveness, jobs will disappear, and you will suffer’.
“In rich and poor countries alike, elites promised that neoliberal policies would lead to faster economic growth and that the benefits would trickle down so that everyone, including the poorest, would be better off.
“Well, after 40 years, the numbers are in: growth has slowed and the fruits of that growth went overwhelmingly to a very few at the top. As wages stagnated and the stock market soared, income and wealth flowed up, rather than trickling down.”
———————————————————–Budget 2020 to hit poorer households harder – Economic and Social Research Institute
Robert Shortt, RTE Economics Correspondent https://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
This week’s Budget had a bigger impact on the incomes of poorer households, according to research from the ESRI. —————-
The decision by the Government not to adjust income tax rates or raise welfare payments in Budget 2020 will hit everyone in the pocket next year.
This is because wages and prices are going up and so if people earn more, they will pay more in tax. Those on welfare will be left behind.
The ESRI has calculated that the Budget will reduce the incomes of the poorest 10% of households by 3% but leave the highest earning 10% of households worse off by just 1%.—————————————
——————————————————————–In the budget the Minister has not taken a ha’penny in tax from the obscene wealth of Irish Super Rich, numbering 5th highest per head in the World https://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
One in every six citizens lives on an income which is below the poverty line!
4000 Children being damaged for life in emergency Accomodation.
This budget will worsen the situation
Dáil Speech on Budget by Seamus Healy TD
This is a shameful budget. It is deeply regressive, unjust and socially unfair. It exacerbates the rich-poor divide in our society. Fine Gael and the Independent Alliance in government, supported by Fianna Fáil, are pursuing a deliberate policy of favouring a golden circle of the rich and powerful in our society. The budget and Government policy are prefaced by the dishonest claim that the country is in some way badly off. Of course, this could not be further from the truth. Ireland is the eighth richest country in the world. We know that Irish super rich individuals are awash with money. They have made billions out of the crash and the selective recovery. In the budget the Minister has not taken a ha’penny in tax from their obscene wealth. The budget is shameful on the part of Fine Gael, the Independent Alliance and Fianna Fáil. While almost 4,000 children are being irreparably damaged in their formative years in emergency accommodation, this country has the fifth largest number of ultra wealthy individuals per capita in the world, according to a recent wealth study. A total of 2,055 super rich people in the State have wealth in excess of $30 million each. They do not pay a penny in tax on this wealth. The study shows that there are 421 super rich individuals per 1 million adults in the State, placing the Republic ahead of the United States, the United Kingdom, Germany, France, Germany and Japan and behind only the tax havens of Hong Kong, Switzerland, Luxembourg and Singapore.
We also know from the study that the top 10% of wealthy individuals own 58.4% of all wealth; that the top 5% own 46.4% of all wealth; and that the top 1% own 27.3% of all wealth. Referring to this in a recent article in The Irish Times, David McWilliams wrote:
Imagine we decided to introduce a sliding wealth tax of between 0.5 per cent and 5 per cent on wealth, on the top 1 per cent or top 5 per cent … the State could raise close to a maximum of €20 billion (5 per cent on the top 5 per cent) or a minimum of €2 billion (0.5 per cent on the top 1 per cent).
We also know that the financial assets of the richest 10% are now approximately €50 billion above the Celtic tiger boom level in 2006. This country is very wealthy and has significantly wealthy individuals. We also know, on the other hand, that life on low income is the norm for large numbers of people in Irish society. One in every six lives on an income which is below the poverty line. Based on recent CSO data, that corresponds to a total of 760,000 people. We know that child poverty is the reality for one in every five children in the State, or about 230,000 children, a stark statistic which raises major questions about fairness and progress. Some 110,000 of the working poor are working but living below the poverty line. We know that 44.5% of one-parent families have experienced deprivation and that 28% of the population experience fuel poverty.
The budget makes families on low and middle incomes, pensioners and social welfare recipients pay for climate change and Brexit, while the obscenely wealthy get off scot-free.
The question of climate action and carbon tax is referred to frequently in the Budget Statement. There is no doubt but that, in the words of the Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg, the house is “on fire”. The evidence is clear and irrefutable that the climate is changing owing to human activity. The Government seemed to recognise this in declaring a climate emergency earlier this year, but it has proved that it is not to be trusted in an emergency because it has taken absolutely no meaningful action to avert the crisis. It is similar to its heartless inaction in dealing with the housing and homelessness crisis where it has proved to be worse than useless, in allowing the homelessness figure to rise to over 10,000 for the first time in our history and a generation of children to grow up in hotels, guesthouses, hostels and bed and breakfast accommodation. It is incredibly cynical of the Government to declare a climate emergency and then take almost no action whatsoever. There is no doubt that its climate action plan lacks real credibility. Its decision to block further debate on the Minerals Development (Amendment) (Climate Emergency Measures) Bill 2018 for the duration of this Dáil by invoking the money message procedure is an ill-founded and undemocratic abuse of parliamentary procedure.
There are plenty of meaningful and effective initiatives the Government could enact to help to stop climate chaos, but it has come up with another tax, the carbon tax, which is unjust, unfair and deeply regressive. It is also a tax which serves largely to penalise low and middle income families and people living in rural Ireland, particularly those who have to travel to work by car. When both members of a couple are working but cannot afford to buy a house, how does the Government believe taxing them further will help them to provide for themselves and their children, which is the key tenet of sustainability? Public transport, consistent with the standard needed in commuting to work and school, is not available in much of Ireland outside the greater Dublin area. Surely this is a rudimentary necessity to reduce Ireland’s carbon emissions. Proper utilisation, staffing and upgrading of the existing rail network is of urgent importance. The downgrading and elimination of bus routes throughout the country because of “rationalisation” are shameful in the face of this crisis. Having car pool lanes in highly congested areas, similar to the extremely effective quality bus corridors in operation in Dublin, which would discourage single occupancy of cars, is another simple measure which could be taken. What about providing free public transport? This option should certainly be considered. In my constituency, Tipperary, thousands of residents travel to work every day to neighbouring centres such as Limerick, Shannon, Waterford, Dungarvan, Galway, Athlone, Carlow, Kilkenny and Cork city. Just as many travel to work within the county, while thousands travel into the county to work. There is no alternative to the motor car. Instead of taking several billion euro from the very wealthy to provide cheap, or free, and frequent public transport to reduce carbon emissions, the first thing the Government does is put an extra tax on workers in the name of climate change. It will now tax a person travelling to work from Carrick-on-Suir to Kilkenny, something people do every day, having recently allowed the semi-State bus company to axe the route. The issue of transport needs to be dealt with to deal with the effects of climate change.
There is no justification for the freeze on social welfare payments in the budget. No general increase is provided for. The last time this happened the excuse was the banking crash, now it is Brexit, but the political representatives of the wealthy in our society will always find an excuse to further enrich those who are already wealthy and to oppress the poor. Social Justice Ireland and the Society of St. Vincent de Paul called for an increase of €8 to €9 per week in social welfare payments. It was to cover people like the 760,000 who live below the poverty line, the 110,000 working poor and the 230,000 children living below the poverty line. They have seen nothing but a freeze. There is no increase in child benefit. Social welfare recipients and pensioners have seen a cut in the budget. The value of their payments will be reduced by inflation and it could be significant, depending on the type of Brexit that transpires. There is a €2 per week increase in the fuel allowance, which is supposed to be related to the carbon tax, but it will only affect one in five families. The working poor will get nothing. There is no reference to the minimum wage, while there should be proposals for the introduction of the living wage. There is no justification for the cuts in and the freeze of social welfare payments. That is an indication that the small men, those on welfare payments and low and middle incomes, are paying the price for Brexit and the carbon tax.
There is only a token nod of the head towards the Sláintecare commitments. Next year there will be a continuation of the terminal crisis in the health service, in trundling from day to day, with hundreds of patients on trolleys in corridors and hundreds of thousands on waiting lists. There are more than 500,000 on outpatient waiting lists, 100,000 of whom are waiting for more than 18 months. There are serious delays in carrying out cataract, hip and knee operations. I heard recently of a hospital which had indicated that a urology procedure was urgent but that the delay was 48 months.
I welcome the increase in the limits in qualifying for a medical card for people older than 70 years, but there has been no general increase in the limits in qualifying for a medical card since 2006. Some 25% of those living below the poverty line do not qualify for a medical card. That should be changed immediately. The Minister bragged that the HSE had halved the budget overrun of last year, but he did not tell us that it was operating a moratorium on the appointment of staff, that thousands of posts were unfilled and that there was a moratorium on increasing home help hours. Every day individuals and families contact me and, I am sure, other Deputies seeking home help hours, which are refused daily. The result of the moratorium is the understaffing and under-resourcing of services.
There is little or nothing in the budget for disability services. A number of people and families who care for children with disabilities have already contacted me, disturbed and upset that disability services have been effectively overlooked in the budget. Such families have to fight continually for services for their children with disabilities. I welcome the increase in the number of special needs assistants, SNAs, but I ask the Minister to ensure there will be a quick procedure for the approval of the posts. Last week I asked a question about providing SNAs for a special school in Cashel. The application was made last March, but a decision was made only last Friday. That should not have happened and the issue should be addressed.
On housing, the budget simply continues the failed policy of the Government, a policy that has created a housing emergency and led to approximately 110,000 people on waiting lists, whether on local authority waiting lists or in receipt of the housing assistance payment. Even these figures are not correct, given that thousands of families, because of the reduction in the income limits for local authorities, find themselves unable to qualify either for the local authority waiting list or a mortgage. As a result, such persons throughout the country will have to pay high rents, which have gone through the roof in recent years. That is what happens when Government policy on public housing is reliant on the private sector. I recall that when the policy was introduced by a Fianna Fáil Government in the early 2000s, I was a member of South Tipperary County Council. I noted at the time that it would create severe problems down the road and, unfortunately, that is what has transpired. We need a declaration of a housing and homelessness emergency and the urgent building of public housing on public land.
Education seems to have been almost forgotten in the budget. I do not mean just at second or third level but also at primary level. It appears that the issues of class sizes, capitation and leadership in primary schools have been completely ignored by the Government.
There are other areas in the budget on which I would like to comment, but I do not have enough time to do so. The recruitment and retention of members of the Defence Forces are creating severe difficulties, as are childcare provision and the payment of a living wage to childcare professionals providing services in childcare centres throughout the country.
As I stated, the budget will ensure ordinary people, pensioners, families on low and middle incomes and social welfare recipients will be forced to pay for climate change and Brexit, while people in our society who are significantly wealthier will get away scot-free. The latter should be made to pay their fair share.
——————————————————————-David McWilliams: Taxing Ireland’s ultra-wealthy makes economic sense
With both the left and right agitating for the move worldwide, it might actually happen
Credit Suisse Distribution of Wealth in Ireland 2015
Top 10% 58.4% T0p 5% 46. 4 % Top 1 % 27.3%
David McWilliams Irish Times 05/10/2019
News this week that Ireland has the fifth largest number of “ultra-wealthy” individuals per capita in the world, got me thinking again about wealth inequality in Ireland. Imagine we decided to introduce a sliding wealth tax of between 0.5 per cent and 5 per cent on wealth, on the top 1 per cent or top 5 per cent . Even using the more modest HFCS numbers, the State could raise close to a maximum of €20 billion (5 per cent on the top 5 per cent ) or a minimum of €2 billion (0.5 per cent on the top 1 per cent ).
Have you ever wondered why the windows of the Bank of Ireland on College Green in Dublin are bricked up? It is because of the imposition of a wealth tax, called the “window tax”.
Ireland, the UK, Holland, parts of northern France – unlike the Mediterranean – are starved of natural light at certain times of year. In the pre-electricity era, light was a luxury in these countries.
The urban poor lived in a dark world of gloomy, window-less hovels, while the rich who wanted to live in the brightest rooms possible, built magnificent ceiling to floor windows to let in the light . Georgian sash windows attest to class difference; the poor lived in the shadows and the rich lived luminously.
Windows meant wealth.
Wealth inequality in the West is the defining issue of our day and, as asset prices have risen in the recovery, it’s getting worse
In early 18th-century Ireland, just after the Act of Union, the new London government needed cash to finance the Napoleonic Wars and extended the window tax, long established in England, to Ireland. The College Green building was built as the parliament of Ireland but the 1801 Act of Union put paid to that, and the majestic building was sold to the Bank of Ireland. The bank avoided the wealth tax by blocking up the windows.
Tax avoidance brings out both the creative and the bluntest human responses. The Georgian approach of bricking windows was heavy-handed, but it worked. I’ve yet to meet the citizen who pays more tax than they must. When you get new taxes, you also get new tax avoidance schemes. However, that does not mean wealth should not be taxed – at least as much as income.
Wealth taxes are back. They are now a significant feature of the US presidential election, with both Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders wedded to taxing wealth, particularly of the very rich.
Wealth inequality in the West is the defining issue of our day. US inequality is in a league of its own compared with Europe but wealth inequality remains stubbornly high throughout western Europe and, as asset prices have risen in the recovery, it’s getting worse.
One simple way to differentiate the wealthy from the rest of the population is to understand that the wealthy are those whose income comes from assets, such as rent and dividends, while the rest of society depends on wages for their income.
Credit Suisse Distribution of Wealth in Ireland 2015
Top 10% 58.4% T0p 5% 46. 4 % Top 1 % 27.3%
A Decile is 10% of population
Richest Decile Decile 10 58.4% of all Wealth
Decile 9 14.0%
Decile 8 9.7%
Decile 7 7.4%
Decile 6 4.5%
Decile 5 3.2%
Decile 4 1.9%
Decile 3 0.7%
Decile 2 0.3%
Poorest Decile Decile 1 -0.1% Nett Debt
Wealth makes money for you even when you are asleep. Property ownership, land, stocks and shares in companies generate income for owners. And even if some forms of wealth do not always provide current income – such as a large valuable home – wealth always confers privilege, status and opportunity that is not available to those without it.
Even if it is not liquid, wealth confers value and is at the core of the distinction between the haves and have-nots, which is precisely why the accumulation of wealth is so desirable and a source of great human drive, ingenuity and commercial brilliance.
But if the gap between the very top and the average becomes too wide, problems arise and the gap should be redressed in the name of societal fairness. This is particularly the case if the growth in wealth far outstrips the growth in incomes, undermining the social contract and the political status quo.
Psychologically, absolute wealth is rarely the problem; the problem is relative wealth. It is the contrast between what you have and what the guy down the road has, that grates and leads not just to social anxiety but personal anxiety and the sense that you are falling backwards.
Economically, great disparities of wealth are inefficient because rich people don’t spend money, they hoard it, which is why we have so many “wealth managers”.
Imagine we decided to introduce a sliding wealth tax of between 0.5 per cent and 5 per cent on wealth, on the top 1 per cent or top 5 per cent, the State could raise €20 billion
One of the great myths of economics is that rich people create jobs. They don’t. Demand creates jobs. If a billion (one thousand million) euro is held by one person, the chances are that 99 per cent of that money will leave circulation.
Few jobs are created by the spending of one billionaire, even a free-spending one. However, if that same billion were distributed between one million people having €1,000 each, the impact on the economy would be immense.
Poorer people have a much lower propensity to save, and so the billion euros would recirculate and recirculate, generating enormous economic dynamism and countless jobs.
Armed with these observations, let’s look at Ireland.
News this week that Ireland has the fifth largest number of “ultra-wealthy” individuals per capita in the world, got me thinking again about wealth inequality in Ireland.
A few years ago, I was involved in an RTÉ documentary called the Great Wealth Divide. We focused on two sets of data, one compiled by the European Central Bank called the Household Finance and Consumption Survey (HFCS) and data compiled by Credit Suisse, an investment bank.
Both surveys revealed startling high levels of wealth inequality. The top 5 per cent in the HFCS survey owned 37.7 per cent of all the wealth in the country, while the top 1 per cent owned nearly 15 per cent. The Credit Suisse data was even more dramatic, stating that the top 5 per cent owned 46.4 per cent and the top 1 per cent owned an extraordinary 27.3 per cent of the total wealth of the country.
(The difference might be explained by the fact that when asked in a survey, rich people brag to an investment bank but understate their wealth when asked by the State. Either way, the figures – underpinned by raw financial data on property, stocks and deposits – reveal profound unfairness.)
Low-hanging fruit
Imagine we decided to introduce a sliding wealth tax of between 0.5 per cent and 5 per cent on wealth, on the top 1 per cent or top 5 per cent . Even using the more modest HFCS numbers, the State could raise close to a maximum of €20 billion (5 per cent on the top 5 per cent ) or a minimum of €2 billion (0.5 per cent on the top 1 per cent ).
Given that a huge chunk of wealth is tied up in property and land and can’t – by definition – leave the country, it is clear that this is low hanging fruit.
As the world becomes less tolerant of wealth inequality (and I do believe we are moving into such an era, led by the USA), the incentive to tax the super wealthy will become more difficult to resist.
Both the popular left and right will agitate for such a move so much that the centre might eventually adopt it. This is precisely what happened in the US from the 1930s to the 1980s. Is it time for the pendulum to swing again?
© 2019 irishtimes.com
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Republic of Ireland has fifth largest number of super rich per head of population in the World
There are a total of 2055 Super-Rich Individuals with wealth in excess of 30 million dollars each in the state
Charlie Taylor, Irish Times, Tuesday, October 1, 2019,
The Republic has the fifth largest number of “ultra-wealthy” individuals per capita in the world, according to a new report. https://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
The study shows that there are 421 super rich individuals per million adults in the State, placing the Republic behind only Hong Kong, Switzerland, Luxembourg and Singapore. (and above US, UK, Germany, France, Germany, Japan etc)
Wealth-X, which has compiled the new figures, defines ultra-wealthy people as those who have a net worth of $30 million or more.
Its latest report shows there was muted growth in the global ultra-wealthy population last year and a fall in their net worth. The number of super rich individuals increased by 0.8 per cent to 265,490, while their combined wealth fell by 1.7 per cent to $32.3 trillion.
The US is by far the leading country for ultra-wealthy individuals, accounting for 31 per cent of the global number. This compares with 9 per cent for second-placed China and nearly 7 per cent for third-placed Japan.
Hong Kong, which has the highest density of super rich people overall, saw its share fall by 11 per cent last year due to a slump in Asian stocks and a softening of the Chinese economy.
New York regained its status as the world’s largest city for ultra-wealthy people, ahead of Hong Kong and Tokyo.
What about ultra-wealthy women?
The US accounted for six of the top 10 cities overall while North America contains the higher percentage of super rich individuals with 35 per cent share. It has 91,740 ultra-wealth people with a combined fortune of $10.8 trillion.
It is followed by Asia and Europe while Africa accounts for just 1 per cent market share with 2,410 super rich people with a combined fortune of $289 billion.
The Wealth-X study reveals that the number of ultra-wealthy women rose to about 38,700, equivalent to 14.6 per cent of all super rich individuals. It also shows that more than two-thirds of those with $30 million or more of net worth are self-made successes.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, the majority of those defined as ultra wealthy are aged 50 or more.
The global ultra-wealthy population is forecast to rise to 353,550 people by 2023, up 88,000 on last year’s total.
The combined wealth of such individuals, meanwhile, is expected to increase to $43 trillion, indicating an additional $10.7 trillion in newly created wealth is predicted over the next five years.
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On Average Each Has 263 million Each Paid 400 Euro less in Income Tax in 2018
“Ten years after the BANKING CRISIS , Ireland’s rich are wealthier than ever”.
– A strong performance over the past 12 months has lifted the combined fortune of Ireland’s 300 richest to €79 BILLION , up 2.7% on last year, according to today’s Sunday Times Irish Rich List.
– The entry point has JUMPED by a RECORD €12m to €52m
————————————————————Socialist and Republican Politicians Must Not Give Government Ministers A Fool’s Pardon By Saying That THEY are INCOMPETENT and/or STUPID!
They are highly competent , extremist, politicians acting on behalf of the Irish super-rich and their international backers against the best interests of the Irish People
The Irish Super-Rich Are AWASH WITH MONEY
THEY ARE BEING MADE RICHER EVERY YEAR BY THE IMPLEMENTATION OF GOVERNMENT POLICIES
MINISTER NOONAN FAILED TO ANSWER DEMAND FOR COMPENSATION FOR SMALL SHAREHOLDERS IN ANGLO BY SEAMUS HEALY TD IN DAIL REPLY TO PARLIAMENTARY QUESTION-PENSIONERS, REDUNDANT WORKERS DEFRAUDED!!! Huge investors (Senior Bondholders) were compensated in full though they had no legal entitlement to any compensation.
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COVER-UP OF COLLAPSE OF TRIAL OF ANGLO-IRISH BANK HEAD CONTINUES
AS THE COVER-UP OF THE COLLAPSE OF HIS TRIAL CONTINUES-DID SEÁN FITZPATRICK of ANGLO-IRISH BANK KNOW WHERE THE DEAD BODIES OF MINSTERS AND BANKING REGULATORS WERE BURIED? https://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
ODCE will be ‘protected’ if TDs force handover of Anglo trial dossier
Mr Drennan, who heads the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement (ODCE), referred in its annual report on Thursday to efforts by Oireachtas members to seek changes to the law to compel him to hand over the dossier, which he compiled for the Government but which remains unpublished.
Mark Paul Irish Times, Friday, June 28, 2019
AS THE COVER-UP OF THE COLLAPSE OF HIS TRIAL CONTINUES-DID SEÁN FITZPATRICK KNOW WHERE THE DEAD BODIES OF MINSTERS AND BANKING REGULATORS WERE BURIED?
Kevin O’Connell, the former legal adviser at the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement, wrote to the head of the watchdog this week expressing disappointment at his decision not to provide the committee with a full report on why the trial of Mr FitzPatrick over concealed loans collapsed.-Irish Times
Irish Examiner-Ian Drennan, Head of The Office of Corporate Enforcement, said “the Wheels Came off in a Catastrphic Way During Trial Of Anglo-Irish Bank Chief Sean Fitzpatrick-Irish Examiner
“Mr Drennan’s meeting with the Oireachtas Committee was delayed for two hours after committee members met in private with legal advisers over whether they could accept a 450-page report from him on ongoing gaps in the ODCE.
While a severely redacted version of the report was published by the Government last year, the full file was not released because of claims it would help defendants.
The Irish Examiner understands the majority of the Business, Enterprise and Innovation Committee now wants to receive the report after being assured by Mr Drennan of no unforeseen fallout.
Committee members also privately confirmed that when they receive the ODCE report they will meet former ODCE legal adviser Kevin O’Connell.
Mr O’Connell, who shredded documents relating to the Sean FitzPatrick trial in a “panic” during the 2015 trial, wrote to the committee last week asking to be allowed to explain his actions.
Damning files reveal Central Bank’s role in €7bn banking fraud – The Sunday Business Post https://wp.me/pKzXa-kL
MINISTER NOONAN FAILED TO ANSWER DEMAND FOR COMPENSATION FOR SMALL SHAREHOLDERS IN ANGLO BY SEAMUS HEALY TD IN DAIL REPLY TO PARLIAMENTARY QUESTION-PENSIONERS, REDUNDANT WORKERS DEFRAUDED
Government, Department of Finance had Full Knowledge!!
Huge investors (Senior Bondholders) were compensated in full though they had no legal entitlement to any compensation.
http://www.businesspost.ie/wp-content/themes/smart-mag/js/html5.js
“Official files and secret notes reveal that a €7 billion fraud that led to the criminal con
——————————————————-Donohoe Again Covers up The Fact That Millionaires got Biggest Tax Relief and Lowly Paid Workers Got Nothing in Last Budget!! https://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
Irish Independent :”This is steady progress in reducing the income tax burden for low and middle income earners,” Mr Donohoe said, adding that currently “resources are available” to continue this approach in next Budget.
In last year’s Budget he increased the entry point to the higher rate of income tax for all earners by €750 and reduced the third rate of universal social charge from 4.75pc to 4.5pc. Irish Independent 20/06/2019
Paddy Healy According to Deloitte Budget Calculator 2019:
Single Self-Employed with annual incomes
between 200,000 and 2 million each – Full year TAX Gain 490 Euro Each
Single Employee on 200,000 to 2 million Full Year Tax Gain 289 Eu each
Single Employee on 75,000 Full tear Tax Gain 289 EU each
Single Employee on 40,000 Full year Tax Gain 214 Eu each
Single Employee on 25,000 Full year Tax Gain 26.62 Euro Each
Single Employee on 18,000 Full Year Tax Gain 0 (zero)
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There is no shortage of individual wealth in Ireland.
Yet some activists and their manipulators are portraying the housing problem as a case of looking after foreigners instead of “our own”. This has the effect of covering up for successive governments and their extremist pro-rich anti-human policies . The Problem is that FG, FF, Labour, independent Alliance are continuing existing tax reliefs to the super-rich, giving them extra income tax relief in the last 3 budgets, In addition funding private sector rents through, HAP, instead of building council houses, is driving up the assets of all big fixed asset holders, not just landlords. The 78,000 Irish millionaires and billionaires have at least 160 billion Euro in assets between them. The wealthiest 300 of these have 79 Billion Euro between them.
The richest 10% of Irish Households (not businesses) have 110 billion in financial assets (shares, bank deposits, personal investments only). This is 50 billion more than what they had at peak boom level before the crash according to CSO (Institutional sector accounts). There is no tax whatever on financial assets in Ireland (Contrary to assertions by Michael Noonan, DIRT is an income tax)
The 26,000 who have annual incomes between 200,000 EU pa and 2 million + EU per year got income tax relief in the last 3 budgets
Remember
Wealth of Richest 300 Irish up 2.7% (2.1 BillionEuro) in 1 year to 79 Billion
On Average Each Has 263 million Each Paid 400 Euro less in Income Tax in 2018
“Ten years after the BANKING CRISIS , Ireland’s rich are wealthier than ever”.
– A strong performance over the past 12 months has lifted the combined fortune of Ireland’s 300 richest to €79 BILLION , up 2.7% on last year, according to today’s Sunday Times Irish Rich List.
– The entry point has JUMPED by a RECORD €12m to €52m
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https://www.knightfrank.com/research/the-wealth-report-6214.a
Number of Irish millionaires rises by 3,000 to nearly 78,000 in a Single Year
One Additional Irish Billionaire https://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
Irish Times Fiona Reddin, March 13,2019
Almost 3,000 Irish people became millionaires last year – and one became a billionaire – on the back of rising asset and property values.
According to the Wealth Report 2019 from estate agent Knight Frank, the rich are going to continue to get even richer, with a further 17,000 Irish people set to become millionaires by 2023. The report says there are currently 77,984 millionaires in Ireland.
However, the rate of growth in wealth generation appears to have slowed, having picked up sharply as the economy started to recover around 2013. The survey shows that the numbers joining the millionaire gang grew by 32 per cent between 2013 and 2018 but are forecast to grow by just 23 per cent between 2018 and 2023.
The report shows there was also a jump in Irish “ultra-high net worth individuals”, or UHNWIs, last year, with some 1,029 people in this group of the super wealthy, with assets of some $30 million or more. This is up by 4 per cent on 2017, in line with global trends, and is forecast to grow by a further 25 per cent between now and 2023. Dublin is home to about 43 per cent, or some 444, of these UHNWIs.
On the billionaire side, Ireland had nine billionaires last year – up from eight in 2017. But this number is not expected to grow, as the survey forecasts zero growth among billionaires between now and 2023. This is in sharp contrast to China, where growth of 29 per cent is forecast, and India (+37 per cent).
In total, the survey reveals that across the world there are now 19.6 million millionaires, up by 3 per cent on 2017. Despite strong growth in Asia, the US remains home to the greatest number of millionaires, at some 5.9 million. This compares with 1.5 million in China, 1.5 million in Germany and 759,000 in the UK.
Prime properties
The survey also ranks the world’s luxury residential markets in terms of price growth. Dublin slipped own the rankings into 85th place, on the back of a 2.8 per cent decline in the price of “prime”, or properties typically priced at about €1 million and above, in the year to December 2018. It joins London (-4.4 per cent); Rio de Janeiro (-3.8 per cent) and Vancouver (-11.5 per cent) as cities where prime property prices are falling.
Going in the other direction are the index leader, Manilla, where prices rose by 11.1 per cent in the period under review, Edinburgh (+10.6 per cent) and Berlin (+10.5 per cent).
When it comes to so-called passion investments, rare whiskey was the top performer over the past year, with asset values advancing by 40 per cent, or by 582 per cent over a 10-year period. This is far in excess of the next best performer, coins, which increased by 12 per cent, followed by wine, which was up by 9 per cent.
The biggest whiskey seller was a bottle of The Macallan 1926, which was sold by Christies for $1.5 million.
Classic cars had more of a mixed fortune. Overall, the HAGI Top Index for rare classic cars rose by almost 2.5 per cent in 2018. However, some brands actually fell; prices of Porsche cars, for example, slid by an average of 6.5 per cent. The most expensive car sold at auction was a 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO, which sold for $48.4 million.
© 2019 irishtimes.com
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Wealth of Richest 300 Irish up 2.7% (2.1 BillionEuro) in 1 year to 79 Billion
On Average Each Has 263 million Each Paid 400 Euro less in Income Tax in 2018
“Ten years after the BANKING CRISIS , Ireland’s rich are wealthier than ever”.
– A strong performance over the past 12 months has lifted the combined fortune of Ireland’s 300 richest to €79 BILLION , up 2.7% on last year, according to today’s Sunday Times Irish Rich List.
– The entry point has JUMPED by a RECORD €12m to €52m
———————————————————Almost 26,000 Irish People Have Incomes Between 200,000 Euro and over 2 million Euro Per Year!!!-CSO 2016 Figures
They have a total income of 10.7 billion euro per year. between them.
Over the Last 3 Budgets they all got income tax relief and Universal Social Charge reduction. In addition the 55% of them who are self-employed business people got an increase in their tax free allowance as well!
They All Got The Same Tax Relief as a Person earning 70,000 Euro per annum in the last three budgets https://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
The Comptroller and Auditor General recently revealed that 83 high net worth individuals, with in excess of €50 million in assets each, declare taxable incomes of less than the average industrial wage-35,600Euro? They can decide what to pay themselves!At present, this is perfectly legal under legislation being presided over by the Government.
According to the Sunday Independent Rich List, the estimated wealth of the country’s 300 richest people has increased by over €12bn to €100.03bn in 2017 alone. The Richest 12 gained 6 billion of this.It was was a Tax Free Gain
TOP 10% of financial asset holders now have €40 billion above what they had at peak boom levels in 2006. (CSO) No tax is payable on these assets. Financial assets do not include homes, buildings, farms. Shares , bank deposits and other personal investments are included.
3,334 Persons in the Private sector earn more than the current salary of top RTE earner Ryan-Tubridy on Euro 495,000 and they all got tax reductions.!!!
CSO Institutional Sector Accounts (Financial) | 2016 |
(F.A.) Total Financial Assets | |
Households including NPISH (S.14+S.15) | 363,942 m |
(AF.L) Total Liabilities | |
Households including NPISH (S.14+S.15) | 154,028 m |
(BF.90) Net Financial Assets | |
Households including NPISH (S.14+S.15) | 209,913 m |
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PQ Reply By Minister For Finance Michael Noonan to Seamus Healy TD
(These earnings have increased substantially since Noonans Reply)
Summary (In 2013, After Budget 2012)
Between Euro €200,000 per year and over €2million per year Number of Income Recipients= 21,864
Top 10,000 have average income of €595,000 per year (vast majority in private sector
Top 10,000 Total Income per year= €5.959Billion Average Income per year €595,900
Number earning over 0.5 million= 3,334
Number earning over €1 million=657
Number Earning over €2 million=120
In 2015 (the last year for which the data is published), 23,698 ‘tax units’ had gross taxable incomes of over €200,000.
Of those tax units, 10,201 were couples and 13,497 were single people (including widows and widowers, which the Revenue Commissioners still list separately — as in, a separate row for widows and a separate row for widowers*).
And of the 10,201 couples, 7,289 were both earning.
The data is available at http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=RVA01&PLanguage=0
Sunday Times Irish Rich List
Wealth of Richest 300 Irish up 2.7% (2.1 BillionEuro) in 1 year to 79 Billion
On Average Each Has 263 million Each Paid 400 Euro less in Income Tax in 2018
“Ten years after the BANKING CRISIS , Ireland’s rich are wealthier than ever”.
– A strong performance over the past 12 months has lifted the combined fortune of Ireland’s 300 richest to €79 BILLION , up 2.7% on last year, according to today’s Sunday Times Irish Rich List.
– The entry point has JUMPED by a RECORD €12m to €52m.
– After strong economic growth in the Republic, it now has one of the HIGHEST proportions of euro BILLIONAIRES per head of population.
There are 16 members of the super-rich club — one more than last year — representing one euro billionaire for EVERY 313,000 people.
– That is almost TWICE the proportion of people with similar wealth in more affluent countries such as Kuwait, the US and Sweden.
– While almost a third of Ireland’s richest 300 are either from or based in Dublin, there is evidence of an increasing spread of wealth.
– The capital still accounts for more than 40% of Ireland’s wealth, however, with five billionaires and 88 Irish Rich List millionaires boasting combined fortunes of €31.67bn.
– The majority of multi-millionaires on the list saw the GROWTH in their wealth outpace the 4.9% domestic economic growth.
– This was due to the buoyant global stock markets, the explosion in value of internet technologies, strong PROPERTY-value growth and buoyant domestic spending.
Court Watch Ireland-I spy with my little Eye
Super-Rich Will Have a Super-Happy New Year 2018!!!
The richest top ten in the Sunday Independent Rich List 2018 increased their fortunes by over €2bn in total over the past year.
The ten wealthiest have a collective estimated worth of just over €50bn compared with €47.9bn in the 2017 Rich List.
The Sunday Independent Rich LIST 2018
The List Ranks Personal Wealth of Individuals not of Companies
Denis O’Brien remains at No 4 in 2018 with personal wealth of 2.75 billion. He has regained 100 million of the 200 million which he lost in 2016. John Magnier, owner of Coolmore Stud , retains his ranking of 7. He has gained 150 million on his 2017 figure.
I have confined the comparisons below to well known Irish rich Personalities
The “Super Eight” below have made a tax free gain of 76 million each on average over the last two years!!!
Super Eight PERSONAL WEALTH
Rank 2018 (2017) (2016) change from 2017
2018 (2017)
4 (4) DenisO’Brien 2.75 2.65 2.85 +100m
7 (7) John Magnier 2.3bn (2.2bn)(2.2bn) + 150m
8 (9) JP McManus Finance 2.1bn (€2bn)(€1.85bn ) +140m
9 (10)Dermot Desmond Finance 2.04 bn(€1.8bn)(€1.56bn) +240m
11 (11) Martin Naughton Industry 1.65 bn €1.6bn(€1.5bn) +50m
13 (12 ) Paul Coulson Industry 1.45bn (€1.5bn)(€840m) -50m
17 (13) Ellis Short Finance 1.1 bn(€1.1bn)(€1.05bn) no change
16 (14)Michael O’Leary Transport 1.15bn (€1.1bn)(€1.08bn) +50m
Totals 2018 13.54 Billion; 2017 13.3Billion ; 2016 12.93
Gain From 2017:0.24 billion =240,000,000 30 million each on average!
Gain From 2016: 0.61 billion=610,000,000 76 million each on average!
These are Tax Free Gains
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Almost 22,000 Irish People Have Incomes Between 200,000 Euro and 2 million Euro Per Year!!!-Minister for Finance
They All Got The Same Tax Relief as a Person earning 70,000 Euro per annum in the last two budgets
According to the Sunday Independent Rich List, the estimated wealth of the country’s 300 richest people has increased by over €12bn to €100.03bn on last year’s numbers. The Richest 12 gained 6 billion of this.It was was a Tax Free Gain
TOP 10% of financial asset holders now have €35 billion above what they had at peak boom levels in 2006. (CSO)
3,334 Persons in the Private sector earn more than the current salary of top RTE earner Ryan-Tubridy on Euro 495,000?
PQ Reply By Minister For Finance Michael Noonan to Seamus Healy TD
(These earnings have increased substantially since Noonans Reply)
Summary (In 2013, After Budget 2012)
Between Euro €200,000 per year and over €2million per year Number of Income Recipients= 21,864
Top 10,000 have average income of €595,000 per year (vast majority in private sector
Top 10,000 Total Income per year= €5.959Billion Average Income per year €595,900
Number earning over 0.5 million= 3,334
Number earning over €1 million=657
Number Earning over €2 million=120
Comment from Tomboktu on Cedar Lounge Revolution
In 2015 (the last year for which the data is published), 23,698 ‘tax units’ had gross taxable incomes of over €200,000.
Of those tax units, 10,201 were couples and 13,497 were single people (including widows and widowers, which the Revenue Commissioners still list separately — as in, a separate row for widows and a separate row for widowers*).
And of the 10,201 couples, 7,289 were both earning.
The data is available at http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=RVA01&PLanguage=0
TOMBOKTU, Cedar Lounge Revolution DEC 31,2017
SHOCK!! RTE MENTIONED THAT INDIVIDUALS EARN MILLIONS IN PRIVATE SECTOR FOR FIRST TIME IN YEARS!
RTE Commercial Director ,Willie O’Reilly, WAS DEFENDING THE SALARIES OF ITS TOP 10 BROADCASTERS
Michael Noonan Sold Shares in Then State-Owned Bank of Ireland For a Song to Wilbur Ross. Ross then walked off with Hundreds of Millions When he Sold The Shares On!! Did he invest it in Russian Oil and Make another Fortune?
Irish Times :”Mr Ross, a billionaire private equity investor, sold his stake in Bank of Ireland – bought shortly after Ireland entered and EU/IMF bailout programme – in June 2014 for almost half a billion euros, three times what he paid for it.”
Paradise Papers: Former Bank of Ireland investor Wilbur Ross benefits from Putin link
US Commerce Secretary Wilbur L Ross Jr has a stake in a shipping firm that receives millions every year in revenue from a company whose key owners include Russian President Vladimir Putin’s son-in-law and a Russian tycoon sanctioned by the US Treasury Department as a member of Putin’s inner circle.
Mr Ross, a billionaire private equity investor, sold his stake in Bank of Ireland – bought shortly after Ireland entered and EU/IMF bailout programme – in June 2014 for almost half a billion euros, three times what he paid for it.
He divested most of his business assets before joining US President Donald Trump’s cabinet in February but kept a stake in the shipping firm, Navigator Holdings Ltd, which is incorporated in the Marshall Islands in the South Pacific. Offshore entities in which Mr Ross and other investors hold a financial stake controlled 31.5 per cent of the company in 2016, according to Navigator’s latest annual report.
Among Navigator’s largest customers, contributing over $68 million in revenue since 2014, is the Moscow-based gas and petrochemicals company Sibur. Two of its key owners are Kirill Shamalov, who is married to Mr Putin’s youngest daughter, and Gennady Timchenko, the sanctioned oligarch whose activities in the energy sector, the US Treasury Department said, were “directly linked to Putin.”

Another powerful owner is Sibur’s largest shareholder, Leonid Mikhelson, who controls an energy company that was also sanctioned by the US Treasury Department for propping up Mr Putin’s rule.
US-Russia tension
As commerce secretary, Mr Ross has a direct authority over trade and manufacturing policy and is an influential voice in the government on virtually any aspect of the US economic relationship with other countries, including Russia. In recent years, tensions between the United States and Russia have escalated, with the United States imposing sanctions against Russia after its 2014 invasion of Crimea and its interference in the 2016 presidential election.
In the aftermath of the election, investigations by Congress and the US Department of Justice have explored potential business ties between Russia and members of President Trump’s administration. While several of Trump’s campaign and business associates have come under scrutiny, until now no business connections have been reported between senior Trump administration officials and members of Putin’s family or inner circle.
During his confirmation process, Mr Ross was asked repeatedly about his business ties to Russia, mostly related to his former role as vice chairman of the Bank of Cyprus, which has a long history of financing Russian oligarchs. “The United States Senate and the American public deserve to know the full extent of your connections with Russia and your knowledge of any ties between the Trump Administration, Trump Campaign, or Trump Organisation and the Bank of Cyprus,” a group of five Democratic senators wrote to Mr Ross after the hearing but prior to his confirmation. Mr Ross responded briefly to a question submitted for the hearing, saying the Russians who invested in the bank “were not my partners,” but didn’t respond to the senators’ letter.
He was also asked about his shipping holdings and whether they could pose a conflict of interest with his duties at the US Department of Commerce. But he faced no questions about Navigator – where he once was chairman of the board – and its relationship with Sibur.
Sibur is “a company with crony connections,” said Daniel Fried, a Russia expert who served in senior State Department posts in both Republican and Democratic administrations. “Why would any officer of the US government have any relationship with a Putin crony?”
Another of Navigator’s major customers is PDVSA, the Venezuelan state oil company owned by the authoritarian regime of Nicolas Maduro. The Trump administration sanctioned one current and one former executive at PDVSA in July 2017, and sanctioned the company itself the next month.
Commerce and conflict
The commerce secretary’s indirect business connection with Mr Putin’s son-in-law and oligarch allies emerges from an examination of public records and a leak of millions of offshore financial documents from the Bermuda law firm Appleby obtained by German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung and shared with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists and its global network of media partners, including The Irish Times. The project is called the Paradise Papers. They represent the inner workings of Appleby from the 1950s until 2016. The files include documents from Appleby’s corporate services division, which became independent in 2016 under the name Estera.
The leaked files showed a chain of companies and partnerships in the Cayman Islands through which Ross has retained his financial stake in Navigator.
The fact that Mr Ross’s Cayman Islands companies benefit from a firm controlled by Putin proxies raises serious potential conflicts of interest, experts say. As commerce secretary, Mr Ross has the power to influence US trade, sanctions and other policies that could affect Sibur’s owners. Likewise, Sibur’s owners, and through them, Mr Putin himself, could have the ability to increase or decrease Sibur’s business with Navigator even as Mr Ross helps steer US policy.
Richard Painter, who served as chief ethics lawyer during the George W Bush administration, said Mr Ross might have to recuse himself from a range of sanctions decisions. He added that while there was no inherent violation in Mr Ross’s holdings, the Navigator arrangement warrants closer scrutiny.
“Apart from those legal issues, I’d be very concerned that someone in the US government was making money from dealing with the Russians, and I’d want to know the facts,” Mr Painter said.
Layers and layers and layers and layers
Before joining the Trump cabinet, the 79-year-old Mr Ross was a titan in the world of private equity, rounding up investors from around the world to put money into troubled companies in the hope of profitably turning them around. When all went well, he and his firm made money not only on their investments and management fees, but also from a compensation system that allows the general partners, who manage private equity funds, to earn 20 per cent of any profits that exceed a certain level.
Many of the private equity funds involved in these investments were created and administered by Appleby, an offshore law firm headquartered in Bermuda. The leaked files offer a window into how Appleby helped his firm, WL Ross & Co, LLC, reap the benefits of offshore havens such as the Cayman Islands, a British territory that permits extraordinary levels of financial secrecy and allows paper companies run from New York and elsewhere to operate there tax-free. In 2015, the Cayman Islands was ranked fifth by the Financial Secrecy Index in its worldwide ratings.
Creating offshore funds organised as corporations can be a major draw for certain investors, by allowing US tax exempt organisations – including huge pension funds and richly endowed universities – to sidestep an Internal Revenue Service rule the requires them to pay taxes on income obtained using borrowed money. They also help attract non-US investors because their names aren’t disclosed to tax authorities in the United States.
General partners in offshore private equity enjoy generous tax breaks in the United States as well, including the ability to count the biggest share of their earnings from the fund as a long-term capital gains, rather than ordinary income. This allows the wealthiest fund managers to reduce their taxes on these earnings from the top US tax rate of 39.6 per cent to 20 per cent.
When he was nominated as commerce secretary, Mr Ross filed an agreement with the federal Office of Government Ethics that said he intended to divest 80 companies and partnerships, but would keep a stake in nine others that held assets in “real estate financing and mortgage lending” and “transoceanic shipping.” The assets were not specified. Even though he had sold WL Ross & Co to Invesco in 2006, he remained active as chair and CEO until resigning to join the cabinet.
His financial disclosure form, also filed with the US Office of Government Ethics, runs to 57 pages and includes a long list under the heading, “Employment Assets & Income and Retirement Accounts.” This list is broken down into sections listing assets that appear to be held by each of Mr Ross’s companies, detailing as many as seven layers of entities between Ross and the assets he holds.
Buried in a multitude of subsections appear four cryptically named Cayman Islands entities that are among those he said he was keeping: WLR Recovery Associates IV DSS AIV, GP; WLR Recovery Associates IV DSS AIV, LP; WLR Recovery Associates V DSS AIV, GP and WLR Recovery Associates V DSS AIV, LP. All four companies are administered by the Appleby law firm. “Navigator Holdings” is listed among the assets these companies held, but, consistent with the format of the disclosure form, no details about the company or its relationship with Sibur are provided.
The complexity of the offshore structures adds legal and reputational distance and obscures the full extent of Ross’s business relationships even as it allows him to profit from them, according to tax and ethics experts consulted by ICIJ.
Mr Ross’s disclosure values his combined current stake in the offshore entities that hold Navigator shares at between $2.05 million to $10.1 million. But it is not certain what his total holdings are because he did not list a value for one of the four entities he retained. It is not apparent why or whether a value was omitted. His share represents a fraction of the entities’ overall 31.5 percent stake in Navigator, which based on the firm’s stock price on Oct. 30, 2017, is worth roughly $179 million.
The value of Mr Ross’s investment could change substantially by the time the funds that hold Navigator shares wind up – and holds a significant upside. If the funds performs well enough, the general partnerships in which he is invested stands to receive 20 per cent of the entire funds’ profits.
In addition, Mr Ross has reported billions in assets to Forbes that did not appear on his government disclosure forms, which he later told the magazine he has placed in trusts that benefit his family members.
“The disclosure requirements weren’t written with Wilbur Ross in mind,” said Kathleen Clark, a law professor at Washington University who is an expert on government ethics, “and I don’t think adequately provide the public or a government ethics official with an understanding of the wide variety of financial interests that he has.”
Ross hits a home run
Mr Ross started investing in Navigator in 2011, when WL Ross & Co. acquired a 19.4 per cent stake, and the firm was granted two seats on its board, one of which Ross filled himself early the next year. A few months later, with a bankruptcy court judge’s approval, WL Ross acquired a block of shares from the bankrupt financial services firm Lehman Brothers, becoming Navigator’s majority shareholder.
In November 2013, Navigator went public. Shares that WL Ross had bought for about $8 each were put on the market at $19. Afterwards Mr Ross bragged at a conference for shipping investors that the investment had been “a home run.”
Mr Ross stepped down from Navigator’s board the next year after he became vice chairman of the struggling Bank of Cyprus, which was well known for its dealings with Russian oligarchs. His Navigator board seat was taken by Wendy Teramoto, managing director and partner of WL Ross & Co., who herself stepped down in 2017 to become Ross’ chief of staff at the Commerce Department.
Navigator meets Sibur
About the same time it began selling shares to the public, Navigator struck up a relationship with Sibur, exclusively chartering two liquified petroleum gas carriers to transport Sibur’s growing LPG exports to Europe.
Like many Russian energy companies, Sibur was created by the Russian state. Founded in 1995, the firm produces petrochemical products including LPG, which contains propane and butane and is used for heating appliances, cooking equipment and some motor vehicles. Sibur was bought several years later by the state-controlled gas company Gazprom. In 2010, Gazprom sold Sibur to Mr Timchenko and Mr Mikhelson.
Amos Hochstein, the top US energy diplomat during the Obama administration, said Mikhelson and Timchenko’s trajectories were typical of Russian energy moguls who have grown rich under the public corruption and crony capitalism that are hallmarks of Putin’s long rule.
“This is not John D Rockefeller here,” Mr Hochstein said. “They became close to Putin, loyal to Putin, got state assets and got rich.”
The Russian government continues to favor Sibur. In 2013, a government program helped build Sibur’s $700 million terminal in Ust-Luga, the Baltic port where Navigator ships pick up its LPG exports, deeming it “a project of national importance.”
After Russia’s invasion of the Ukrainian territory of Crimea, the United States and other western nations imposed economic sanctions on key Putin allies, including Sibur’s second largest shareholder, Mr Timchenko. A few months later, the United States barred banks from providing long-term financing to a gas company belonging to Sibur’s largest shareholder, Mr Mikhelson.
Sibur itself was not targeted, but western banks, including Bank of America and the Royal Bank of Scotland, backed away from loans to the company, according to news reports.
The Russian government again stepped in to help. In May 2014, a consortium led by a state-run bank affiliated with the energy company Gazprom and a state investment fund bought the Ust-Luga terminal from Sibur and pledged to expand export capacity while allowing Sibur to remain the terminal’s sole exporter of LPG.
In September 2014, with sanctions pressure growing, Mr Timchenko sold a 17 percent stake in Sibur to Mr Shamalov, increasing Mr Putin’s son-in-law’s stake to more than 20 per cent of the company. The purchase by the 32-year-old was financed by a $1.3 billion loan from state-owned Gazprombank. Mr Shamalov later sold part of his stake to other investors, reducing his interest to 3.9 per cent by April 2017 but remaining on Sibur’s board of directors. The Putin son-in-law’s profit or loss on the transactions could not be determined.
“When you start doing business with Russian energy companies like Gazprom and Sibur, you’re not just getting into bed with the company,” said Mr Hochstein, the former State Department energy policy co-ordinator. “You’re getting into bed with the Russian state.”
In 2014, Appleby dropped Mr Mikhelson as a client, declining to manage a company for his private jet because of the sanctions against his businesses, according to the leaked records.
Despite the turmoil, the Navigator-Sibur relationship continued to grow. From 2014 to 2015, the shipper’s revenue from Sibur jumped from 5.3 per cent ($16.2 million) to 9.1 per cent ($28.7 million) of total revenue, making the company one of Navigator’s top five clients, according to filings with the US Securities and Exchange Commission, before sliding down to 7.9 per cent ($23.2 million) of revenue last year. This year, Navigator doubled the fleet dedicated to Sibur exports, acquiring two new vessels and chartering them to the Russian energy company. The ships were named Navigator Luga and Navigator Yauza, after Russian rivers.
In a conference call with investors in 2016, Navigator CEO David Butters said his company benefited as Sibur made inroads to the European energy market over American competitors.
“Russia is pipelining as much natural gas as needed into Europe, and liquids are being shipped into all areas of the continent in increasing amounts, all in competition with longer haul US exports,” Mr Butters said.
A toast
On November 30th, 2016, hours after being nominated as commerce secretary, Mr Ross celebrated at Gramercy Tavern, a tony Manhattan restaurant, at an event hosted by Navigator Holdings. According to Bloomberg Businessweek, he and Butters both arrived early to the chandeliered private room and had a conversation.
“Your interest is aligned to mine,” Butters recalls Ross saying, according to Bloomberg. “The U.S. economy will grow, and Navigator will be a beneficiary.”
Butters told Bloomberg that as other guests arrived and tucked into sherry-sauce sea bass and pear buckle, they took turns congratulating Ross. “It was like-we have a chance now,” Butters told Bloomberg. “We have a chance to make some differences.”
Making billions from bankruptcies
The son of a lawyer-turned-judge and a school teacher, Mr Ross was raised in suburban New Jersey, and graduated from Yale and Harvard Business School. In the late 1970s, he joined the British investment banking firm Rothschild Group, eventually rising to lead the firm’s bankruptcy advisory practice.

He met Donald Trump in 1990, when the future president’s Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City was experiencing financial trouble, and Mr Ross represented a group of bondholders. Mr Ross engineered a deal that preserved a stake in the company for Mr Trump, reportedly telling disgruntled bondholders that the Trump name was “still very much an asset.” It was a welcome assist for the future president.
In the 1990s, President Bill Clinton appointed Mr Ross to the board of the US-Russia Investment Fund, established by the US government to make investments and promote American business interests in Russia.
In 2000, Mr Ross founded WL Ross & Co., LLC, a New York-based private equity firm that assembles money from investors into funds that invest in struggling companies with the goal of turning them around and selling them for a profit. The new firm quickly thrived. It engineered the purchase of bankrupt American steel producers, then reaped huge profits when the Bush administration imposed a 30 per cent tariff on steel imports in March 2002.
His newly formed International Steel Group went public the following year and was acquired by Luxembourg giant ArcelorMittal in 2005. Mr Ross’ firm went on to invest in other struggling American industries, including textiles in the South and coal in Appalachia. Mr Ross himself gained a reputation as a financier who breathed life into industries others had left for dead.
But his business practices have also drawn criticism for moving American jobs overseas to improve profits. A Reuters’ analysis of US Labor Department statistics found that Mr Ross takeovers resulted in the loss of 2,700 US jobs in car parts, mortgage finance and the textile industry by shifting production abroad, benefiting, among others, Mexico, India, China and Nicaragua.
His private equity firm has also run afoul of securities regulations that require full and candid disclosure in dealing with investors. In August 2016, the SEC announced an enforcement action against WL Ross & Co for overcharging investors for management fees by changing the formula for calculating the fees without telling them. Without admitting or denying wrongdoing, WL Ross agreed to repay $10.4 million to investors and $2.3 million in civil penalties.
Over the years, Mr Ross has climbed to the ranks of America’s wealthiest individuals, with a fortune estimated by Forbes in September 2017 at $2.5 billion, and lived like it. He and his wife own a Palm Beach villa down the road from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, another house in Southampton, NY, and a third home in Manhattan. They also own an art collection with a value that Bloomberg has estimated at $250 million, including a collection of the surrealist painter Rene Magritte valued at $100 million. Mr Ross was also leader – known as the Grand Swipe – of a secret Wall Street fraternity called Kappa Beta Phi and in 2012 presided over an annual ceremony in which initiates performed song-and-dance routines in drag during a feast of lamb and foie gras at a Manhattan hotel.
Mr Ross has dismissed the idea that the very wealthiest have unfair advantages, arguing in 2014 that “the 1 per cent is being picked on for political reasons.” He added: “Education is the way that people get out of the ghetto and into, if not the 1 percent, something close to it.”
Mr Trump said he nominated Mr Ross because he admires his wealth and ferocious drive. “I’d like to put on a guy that failed all his life, but we don’t want that, do we?” Trump said at a post-election victory rally in Ohio. “No, I put on a killer.”
As it expanded, WL Ross & Co. set up an increasing number of entities in offshore tax havens, many in the Cayman Islands. The British territory in the Caribbean levies no corporate or income tax on money earned outside the jurisdiction and requires little disclosure of corporate ownership. This has made the Caymans a popular destination with U.S. private equity managers for setting up their funds.
Appleby has been a key advisor and service provider. The global offshore law firm has administered more than 50 Cayman Island companies for WL Ross & Co., the law firm’s records show. In 2005, for instance, WL Ross & Co. acquired the German rail car and logistics company VTG, which later expanded into Russia and Eastern Europe. Appleby’s files include a group of five Cayman Islands companies whose names include “Euro Wagon” that were used to hold and manage VTG shares.
Appleby wooed WL Ross & Co executives at events it hosted, including at the US Open tennis tournament, and employees congratulated each other as the company’s holdings grew. The law firm reduced due diligence requirements for the Ross-related companies, designating them low risk and qualifying for decreased scrutiny under Cayman laws regulating law firms’ responsibility to investigate clients. “This is absolutely fantastic Sabine,” wrote Appleby attorney Matthew Taber, when compliance officer Sabine Calvetti delivered the news. “100 per cent spot on and really great work.”
In 2014, the Ross group was one of Appleby’s top 20 clients based on the number of companies administered.
Appleby’s files show that the four companies Ross retained are in two parallel chains of ownership, with Ross himself at the top. According to Appleby records, Ross is a shareholder and was a director of two companies established in July 2011 as general partners to control two other WL Ross & Co entities that invested in the shipping industry, which, in turn, control two WL Ross Group funds.
These funds invested in several shipping companies, including Navigator, according to SEC filings and Ross’ ethics disclosures.
In all, Mr Ross’s former firm, WL Ross & Co., is Navigator’s largest shareholder, owning 39.4 percent of Navigator through companies it controls. When he became commerce secretary, Ross kept his personal financial interest in some of the WL Ross entities but resigned from managing them. The ones he kept a stake in, which also include other investors, own a substantial part of the larger stake with 31.5 percent of the shipping company’s stock.
Federal ethics law requires officials to recuse themselves from matters that would have “a direct and predictable” effect on the official’s or a family member’s financial interest or if the official has a close relationship that might cause a reasonable person to doubt the official’s impartiality.
During his confirmation hearings, Mr Ross sought to reassure senators that he would avoid any conflicts of interest between his business holdings and his cabinet post. “I intend to be quite scrupulous about recusal and any topic where there is the slightest scintilla of doubt,” he said.
Bastian Obermayer, Frederik Obermaier, Rigoberto Carvajal and Inti Pacheco also contributed to this story.
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Shocking Budget For The Rich and Attacks on U. S. Working Class Proposed by Trump
Bernie Sanders: Republicans step up their assault on working-class America
After failing to pass a “healthcare” Bill that would have thrown up to 32 million Americans off of health insurance, a Bill that was more unpopular than the Wall Street bailout, Donald Trump and the Republican leadership in congress are back. Now, they are pushing one of the most destructive and unfair budget and tax proposals in the modern history of our country – a plan that would do incalculable harm to tens of millions of working families, our kids, the sick, the elderly and the poor. The Republican budget, which will likely be debated on the floor of the US Senate this week, is the Robin Hood principle in reverse. It takes from those in need and gives to those who are already living in incredible opulence. Trump and Republican leaders claim their plan would provide a “big league” tax cut for the middle class. Nothing could be further from the truth. According to the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, by the end of the decade, nearly 80 per cent of the tax benefits of the Republican plan would go to the top one per cent and 40 per cent would go to the top one-tenth of one per cent.
While the Republicans want to give a $1.9 trillion tax break to the top one percent, they are proposing massive cuts in programmes that working-class Americans desperately need.
This budget cuts Medicaid by more than $1 trillion over 10 years – which would throw some 15 million Americans off of the health insurance they currently have. Further, this budget does what the Republicans have not yet attempted to do in their previous healthcare legislation and that is to make a $473 billion cut to Medicare, despite Trump’s campaign promises not to cut these programmes.
Poll after poll after poll tells us that the overwhelming majority of Americans do not want congress to cut Medicare or Medicaid and they do not want to provide tax breaks to the wealthy or large corporations.
A recent Pew Foundation poll found that 85 per cent of Republicans and 94 per cent of Democrats want to either maintain or increase funding for Medicare. And 60 per cent of Americans oppose slashing Medicaid, according to a recent Quinnipiac poll.
A recent Wall Street Journal and NBC poll found that only 12 per cent of the American people believe the wealthy should receive a tax cut; while 62 per cent believe the wealthy should pay more in taxes. Why are the Republicans bringing forth such an absurd budget that, in almost every instance, is diametrically opposed to what the American people want? The answer isn’t complicated. Follow the money.
Corrupt
Today, we have a corrupt campaign finance system that enables multibillionaires, along with some of the most powerful chief executives in America, to contribute many hundreds of millions of dollars to elect Republican candidates to represent their views. As a result, the top one per cent has been able to rig the political system to favour them at the expense of virtually everyone else.
Here are just a few examples. The Republican budget would give the richest family in America, the Walton family of Wal-Mart, a tax cut of up to $52 billion by repealing the estate tax – a tax that only applies to multimillionaires and billionaires. But, if you are a lower income senior citizen you and more than 700,000 other families may not be able to keep your home warm in the winter because of a cut of about $4 billion to the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program. This budget says that if you are the second-wealthiest family in America, the Koch brothers, you will see a tax break of up to $33 billion. But if you are a working-class student trying to figure out how you could possibly afford college, your dream of a college education could evaporate along with 8 million other students because of more than $100 billion in cuts to Pell Grants and other student financial assistance programmes.
This budget gives members of the Trump family a tax cut of up to $4 billion, but if you are a low-income pregnant woman you and 1.2 million new mothers, babies, and toddlers may not be able to get the nutrition you need thanks to a $6.5 billion cut to the Women, Infants, and Children programme. What is alarming is that despite this incredible giveaway for the billionaire class, the Koch brothers and their network say that it’s not enough.
When David Koch ran for vice-president under the Libertarian Party in 1980, he advocated not just to cut Medicare and Medicaid, he wanted to abolish these programmes. He didn’t just want to cut taxes for the wealthy he wanted to eliminate all forms of taxation. At a time when the middle class is shrinking and over 40 million Americans are living in poverty, this budget must be defeated and replaced with a plan that reflects the needs of the working families of our country, not just the wealthy, the powerful and large campaign contributors.
Bernie Sanders is a US senator and sought the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016
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Budget 2018- Dáil Eireann Tuesday 10th October 2017 Deputy Seamus Healy:
Fine Gael, Fianna Fail and The Independent Alliance are determined to Protect the incomes and Assets of the Super-Rich from Fair Taxation at All Costs-That is why the Crises in Housing and Health are set to Continue after this Budget .Government has ignored calls from ICTU, St Vincent De Paul Society, Focus Ireland, and 31 TDs to Formally Declare a National Housing Emergency. Reasonable persuasion has failed. It is time for Action on Streets.
“Today’s budget is shamefully inadequate, given the extreme crisis in housing and health and the need to restore cuts in welfare, disability provision, public service pay and pensions and many other areas. Some might say today’s budget is a missed opportunity, but not so.
It is, rather, a conscious decision, a conscious and deliberate policy, by Fine Gael, the Independent Alliance and Fianna Fáil to protect the massive increase in wealth of the Irish super-rich from fair taxation and to make further tax concessions to them.
Prudent budgeting does not require limiting of spending to the shamefully low figures in today’s budget. The European Union fiscal treaty does not require it either but it does not forbid extra revenue-raising, provided it is recurrent. Significant additional income could have been raised if the Government was prepared to make the super-rich pay their fair share of taxation.
Here are the facts. On GDP per head, Ireland is wealthier than Germany, the United Kingdom, the United States, France and Italy. Overall, Ireland is ranked eighth in the world. The richest 12 in Ireland have €50 billion in total assets, having gained €6 billion in the last year alone. The top 300 have €100 billion, having gained €12 billion in the last year alone. The financial assets of the top 10% are €37 billion above the peak boom levels of 2006. The top 10,000 of personal income recipients have incomes totalling €6 billion per year, or average incomes of €600,000 per year each, and they have received the full benefit of income tax and USC reductions in the last two budgets and again today. The top 5% of all income recipients, on average incomes of €180,000, have received income tax and USC reductions in the last two budgets totalling €172 million. Today, they again benefit to the full from income tax and USC changes. Today, again, the fabulously wealthy will escape any additional imposition on their massive and growing wealth. In fact, they get €90 million out of today’s budget.
This is a regressive budget. The Society of St. Vincent de Paul in its pre-budget submission correctly stated that Government policy has created an unequal nation. The society stated that the top 1% increased its share of income by 20%, but the share of income of the bottom 50% has fallen by 15%, and one in four one-parent families lives in consistent poverty. Government policy is shameful, cruel and anti-human. It makes the British landlords of old appear like charitable figures by comparison. There is one simple explanation. Fine Gael, the Independent Alliance and Fianna Fáil are determined to protect the Irish super-rich from fair taxation.
First, tax and USC relief on the top 10,000 income recipients should be withdrawn, giving a saving of some €10 million. Instead, a higher marginal tax rate should be imposed on all individual incomes over €150,000 per year. A wealth and assets tax must be imposed on the super-rich while protecting small property owners. Skilled Department of Finance accountants will have no difficulty in sourcing three times the revenue the State is collecting solely by extra taxes on the super-rich. For example, the wealthiest 12 would hardly miss €1 billion out of the €6 billion they have gained in the last year alone and the top 10% of financial asset holders would hardly miss €1 billion from the €35 billion above what they had at peak boom levels in 2006. These measures would transform the Government’s ability to spend on housing and health, but the Government and Fianna Fáil are protecting the super-rich.
Housing and Homelessness
Today is world homelessness day. The proposals in this budget in respect of housing are scandalous. The Government’s policy of relying on developers and the market to solve the housing emergency has been a disaster for families, yet this policy is continued in today’s budget, again showing the support by Fine Gael, the Independent Alliance and Fianna Fáil for the rich and powerful in our society. There is no change in housing policy in this budget. Not a single addition house will be built as a result of the budget proposals. The Government is persisting with its disastrous housing policy and, outrageously, it is continuing to evict families from their homes into a horrendous housing crisis through the banks it itself owns, Allied Irish Banks and permanent tsb. The Government policy of reliance on the market has created a housing emergency, rising homelessness, rising non-affordability and rising rents. The conscious decisions by successive Governments to outsource house building to a profit-dominated, land-speculative, developer-led market has created homelessness and deaths on our streets. The market system has failed and is entirely dysfunctional. Hundreds of thousands of citizens are affected and large numbers of children are being damaged.
Over 90,000 families languish on local authority housing waiting lists, a figure that has doubled since 2005.More than 20,000 families are on housing assistance payment schemes. This is a disaster for the families and a bonanza for the landlords. Families are paying rent to the local authority and significant top ups to landlords and at the end of the week, the families do not have two cents to rub together. An illness, a death, a first holy communion or a confirmation can drive them into debt and into the hands of moneylenders. Many more thousands are homeless. Currently more than 8,000 people, including some 3,000 children, are homeless. Many more are homeless who are sleeping on couches or doubling up with relatives. The proposals for housing in the budget are cruelly inadequate. We must have a housing policy change. We need a declaration of a national housing emergency. We must stop the voluntary surrender of homes, the so-called voluntary sale of homes, repossessions and evictions. We need a major, emergency, local authority social and affordable house building programme. This would be a win-win situation for all with additional jobs, less social welfare payments and more income tax. We also need to repeal the law that allows vulture funds and purchasers to evict sitting tenants.
The only explanation for the housing debacle – as I have already said – is the determination of Fine Gael and the Independent Alliance, supported by Fianna Fáil, to put the interests of the Irish super-rich above all else. These parties have opposed the formal declaration of a national housing emergency. Under the constitutional articles in respect of private property, the formal declaration of a housing emergency by the Oireachtas would enable legislation to be passed that would end evictions, freeze rents and provide for the compulsory purchase of land and buildings. The Government has already used emergency legislation to confiscate private property through the Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Act 2015, but when the property interests of the super-rich are at stake, the Government refuses to act.
National Demonstration/People Power
Through mass action on the streets, we forced the Government to retreat on water charges. We must do the same on housing. I will be calling a meeting of the 31 Deputies who voted in support of my amendment to the housing Bill last December. That amendment called for the declaration of a housing emergency. I will ask Deputies to call a national demonstration to force a change in housing policy. The Government has ignored the calls made by the Irish Congress of Trade Unions, Focus Ireland and other advocacy groups to declare a housing emergency and to build sufficient public homes to rapidly reduce homelessness and the local authority waiting lists. I will ask all those bodies to join a national demonstration. Reasonable persuasion has failed. The Government has refused to listen and the time for talking is now over. It is time to take action.
Health Services
What does the Taoiseach’s republic of opportunity look like for people who need to use our health services? It means 675,000 people on hospital waiting lists. Today, there were 514 people on hospital trolleys. In my town of Clonmel, in 2011 there were 750 people on trolleys in South Tipperary General Hospital – the year the last Fine Gael and the Labour Party Government came to power – and in 2017 that figure will be 7,000 people. We have huge waiting lists for various services. Urgent cases in urology services will be called in 48 months. That is four years. People are waiting two years for audiology services, anything up to four years for orthopaedic services and up to two years for cataract operations. Families waiting on assessments for children who have a disability, and who by law are entitled to assessment within three months of referral, are now being told they must wait for two years. Home helps and care assistants are run off their feet providing the 45 minutes of care in people’s homes. It goes on and on.
Today’s budget made no mention of the funding for the Sláintecare programme. We have been told that to provide the same level of service in 2018 as in 2017, including the requirements for demographic changes, would cost €900 million. Today, the health budget was allocated €685 million.
Disability Services
The disability community is bitterly disappointed tonight as its 643,000 members have been sidelined again with a very minor increase of around €15 million. There was no mention whatsoever of the ratification of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. To add insult to injury, in today’s budget we were told that the Taoiseach’s media quango, which was supposed to cost the State nothing – zilch – is going to cost €5 million. This will be used to spin, to gild the lily and to tell us half-truths. The health service also has a pay apartheid where young nurses are paid less than colleagues who work alongside them while doing the same work.
Mental Health Services
The mental health services remain the Cinderella of the health service. A Vision for Change, published way back in 2006, is still not funded, resourced or staffed. Community-based teams are a shadow of what they should be under the Vision for Change programme. There are not enough nurses, medical staff or paramedical staff. In my county of Tipperary, services have been completely decimated with inpatient services transferred to Kilkenny and to Ennis. The community-based services, which were supposed to be of Rolls Royce standard to compensate for the transferred inpatient services, are a shadow of the previous services. They are under-funded and under-staffed.
Mental Health Reform said tonight that “We are deeply concerned that essential mental health services will not be in place for people in mental distress who need them, and that new developments including expanding access to out-of-hours mental health services will not be possible”. They are deeply disappointed that a promised €35 million has transpired to be only €11.3 million. It was pointed out recently that a €65 million increase would be needed to maintain existing services and to provide for demographic changes.
Social Welfare
While any increase is welcome, the social welfare increases are paltry. An increase of €5 per week will not come into effect until the last week of March 2018. These increases will be wiped out by already announced and future increases in electricity, gas, rents, bin charges, health insurance, car insurance and cigarettes.
The treatment of children in this budget is absolutely despicable and an insult. There is no child benefit increase at all. There is a €2 per week increase for the dependent child allowance. This is in the context of 3,000 children who are homeless and 132,000 children living in consistent poverty. This is 11.5 % of the total child population.
Indeed, Barnardos stated tonight that these increases are unacceptable. We should have done a lot more for the children of the nation who we are supposed to look after, given that one in four one-parent families lives in consistent poverty. The organisation, One Family, stated tonight that it is disappointed with the proposals and that much more must be done to lift one-parent families out of Government-created poverty.
State Pension – Women – Age
There were two other areas in the social welfare budget that the Government should have addressed as a matter of urgency. It has been asked to address these matters urgently by Members on all sides of the House. I refer to the State pension for women who took time out to look after and rear families and now find themselves with zero or reduced pensions. It is time to ensure that the changes introduced by Deputy Burton when she was leader of the Labour Party are reversed and that those women get proper State pension payments. I refer also to the age at which pension entitlements accrue. It has gone to 66 and will go to 68. There is even talk of it going to 70. That should be reversed and the age should revert to 65. If individuals want to work beyond 65, it should be optional. Certainly, however, the pension age should revert to 65.
Education
Turning to education, while the reduction in the pupil-teacher ratio from 27:1 to 26:1 is welcome, we continue to have the second largest class sizes in Europe. Only the UK has larger class sizes. The average pupil-teacher ratio in Europe is 20:1, which shows how far we have to go. School communities and parents will be deeply disappointed that the capitation grant has not been increased. There is huge pressure on parents to make payments to schools, to run cake sales and draws and to otherwise support schools. Capitation payments must be increased.
Banks
The mark of this budget is the fact that AIB and permanent tsb, two banks which we, the people, bailed out, will now be tax free for another 21 years. That is absolutely unacceptable. As someone else said, this is a budget of bits and bobs. There is nothing substantial in it for ordinary families or, indeed, public services. It is a budget for the wealthy at the expense of public services, those who are homeless, those seeking housing and those who are patients in our hospitals.”
Seamus Healy T.D.
Tel 087 2802199
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Almost 22,000 Irish People Have Incomes Between 200,000 Euro and 2 million Euro Per Year!!!-Minister for Finance
They All Got The Same Tax Relief as a Person receiving 70,000 Euro per annum in the last two budgets
According to the Sunday Independent Rich List, the estimated wealth of the country’s 300 richest people has increased by over €12bn to €100.03bn on last year’s numbers. The Richest 12 gained 6 billion of this.It was was a Tax Free Gain
SHOCK!! RTE MENTIONS THAT INDIVIDUALS EARN MILLIONS IN PRIVATE SECTOR FOR FIRST TIME IN YEARS!
RTE Commercial Director ,Willie O’Reilly, WAS DEFENDING THE SALARIES OF ITS TOP 10 BROADCASTERS
But why did they not tell us before that 3,334 persons in the private sector earn more than the current salary of top RTe earner Ryan-Tubridy on Euro 495,000?
PQ Reply By Minister For Finance Michael Noonan to Seamus Healy TD
After Budget 2012
Summary
Between Euro €200,000 per year and over €2million per year Number of Income Recipients= 21,864
Top 10,000 have average income of €595,000 per year
Top 10,000 Total Income per year= €5.959Billion Average Income per year €595,900
Number earning over 0.5 million= 3,334
Number earning over €1 million=657
Number Earning over €2 million=120
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RICH TO GET TAX CUTS IN BUDGET 2018 FUNDED BY SPENDING CUTS-VERADKAR
NO MENTION OF TAXING THE FINANCIAL ASSETS OF THE SUPER-RICH-NOW 37 BILLION EURO ABOVE PEAK BOOM LEVEL IN 2006-THE REAL “HIDDEN FISCAL SPACE”-(PH)
Extracts from Irish Independent 29/06/2017
Tax cuts for hard-working families will trump social welfare increases in next year’s budget, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has indicated.. .
The Taoiseach is “determined” to find money for tax cuts in the next budget but is “not sure” if it will be possible to increase weekly payments for people with disabilities and carers.. . .
However, in the clearest sign yet of his plans for Budget 2018, Mr Varadkar said the Government would “find some space to increase the take home pay of two million people who work really hard in this country, who get up every day, go to work, pay the taxes that make everything else possible”.. . .
Mr Varadkar also revealed that the Government was considering cutting current public spending in certain areas to free up cash. The Taoiseach questioned whether existing spending programmes represent the best use of resources.. . .
“If 1pc or 2pc of that could be re-allocated, we would have another billion. This is the hidden ‘fiscal space’.. . .
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The worth of the 300 wealthiest people in Ireland has hit €100bn, following a bumper year for property, bonds, stocks and other assets.
The greater part of the wealth of the these ultra-rich is usually in investments or financial assets. This means that there no tax of any kind on over 50 billion of these assets
According to the Sunday Independent Rich List, the estimated wealth of the country’s richest people has increased by over €12bn to €100.03bn on last year’s numbers. The total was boosted by some significant gains in the tech sector.
According to estimates, well-invested portfolios of wealthy individuals were up by 8pc or more last year, with the MSCI World Index, a global measure of stock exchanges, up 8.15pc by the end of 2016. Several asset classes grew more than this, particularly some tech stocks.
Of the top 300, the top 12 has as much wealth as the other 288!!!
The Top 12 have more than 50 billion in assets !!!!!
Surely they could be required to pay a few billion to the state in tax each year?
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Worth of Ireland’s top 300 wealthiest soars above €100bn
Significant gains for the super-rich in Sunday Independent Rich List
According to estimates, well-invested portfolios of wealthy individuals were up by 8pc or more last year’ Stock photo
Samantha McCaughren Business Editor, Sunday Independent
April 2 2017 2:30 AM
The worth of the 300 wealthiest people in Ireland has hit €100bn, following a bumper year for property, bonds, stocks and other assets.
According to the Sunday Independent Rich List, the estimated wealth of the country’s richest people has increased by over €12bn to €100.03bn on last year’s numbers. The total was boosted by some significant gains in the tech sector.
One of the most noteworthy performances came from Limerick brothers John (26) and Patrick (28) Collison, the founders of payments company Stripe. Last year, their wealth was estimated to be €1.38bn. But both brothers became billionaires in their own right since then, when Stripe’s latest fundraising gave the company a $9bn (€8.4bn) valuation. The Collisons are believed to now hold at least 12pc each, making John the youngest self-made billionaire in the world.
Others to have joined the list of billionaires include Eugene Murtagh of insulation maker Kingspan, which has enjoyed a share price increase of more than 25pc since early 2016. His holdings are now worth around €900m, while he has other assets.
Paul Coulson, chairman of packaging giant Ardagh, also saw a significant boost to his wealth following the flotation of the company on the New York Stock Exchange. His stake is now valued at €1.5bn, significantly higher than the previous estimate.
The Mistry family top the rankings once again, with a total wealth of €15.4bn. Pallonji Mistry (87) is a reclusive Indian tycoon with an Irish passport, and is married to Dublin-born Patsy Perin Dubash.
The wealthiest Irish-born individual is Denis O’Brien, a shareholder in Independent News & Media, publisher of this newspaper. His wealth is estimated to be €4.9bn.
There are 12 new entries, including James Murphy, whose health and beauty products company Lifes2Good sold its hair business to US corporation Church & Dwight for €150m.
According to estimates, well-invested portfolios of wealthy individuals were up by 8pc or more last year, with the MSCI World Index, a global measure of stock exchanges, up 8.15pc by the end of 2016. Several asset classes grew more than this, particularly some tech stocks.
While 2017 got off to a good start, concerns are emerging about the impact US president Donald Trump’s policies will have on the world economy.
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Ireland gains 5,000 millionaires in 2016 as asset values rise-Wealth Report 2017
Looking specifically at Dublin, the report shows that the city is now home to a third of Ireland’s millionaire population, at 28,200, and 1,060 multimillionaires.(below)
But Bertie’s Boom-time Adviser and Progressive Democrat Founder, Gerard Howlin, Advocates INCREASED TAXATION of the OLD and the LOWLY PAID-Irish Examiner (further down)
Number of Irish Millionaires Increases by 5,000 in 2016
Fiona Reddan Irish Times
Almost 5,000 Irish people became millionaires last year, thanks to a combination of rising asset and property values.
And the rich are going to continue to get even richer – according to the Wealth Report 2017 from estate agent Knight Frank, which says some 24,900 more Irish people will be millionaires by 2026.
According to the annual report, there were 83,100 dollar millionaires – with investable assets of more than $1 million (€950,000), excluding their homes – in Ireland last year, up by 6 per cent on 2015.
The number of multimillionaires with over $10 million jumped by 160 to 2,760, while 50 Irish people entered the hallowed realm of the “ultra-high net worth” (over $30 million). That club now has 890 members.
There were, however, no new Irish billionaires last year, with the figure staying static at five. In the 10 years between 2006-2016, the number of Irish with “ultra-high net worth” grew by 25 per cent.
Looking specifically at Dublin, the report shows that the city is now home to a third of Ireland’s millionaire population, at 28,200, and 1,060 multimillionaires.
Some 370 ultra-high net worth individuals now live in Dublin, up by 6 per cent on last year, and this figure is expected to grow by 30 per cent to 481 by 2026 .
Comparison
As a comparison, Paris has 110,900 millionaires, Berlin has 32,800, Brussels is home to 34,700 millionaires, while Buenos Aires has just 15,400.
Overall, the study shows there was a modest rise in the global population of ultra-wealthy people in 2016, reversing last year’s decline. The data is compiled by market research firm New World Wealth.
However, it is not just the rich that are seeing their situation improve. Figures from the Central Bank show household net worth increased by 3.9 per cent in the third quarter of 2016, with average Irish household wealth now standing at €141,427, largely on the back of rising house prices.
GERARD HOWLIN: Our tax base is too narrow to support our spending profile
Irish Examiner Wednesday, March 01, 2017
With income tax we are dangerously out of kilter with the tax norms of countries we want to emulate, writes Gerard Howlin
“YOU can’t have a champagne lifestyle on a 7-Up budget son” was well-meant but astringent advice given years ago by a builder, who was doing a job for me. I had lost the run of myself, and he administered a dose of reality.
I can testify that he did a good job — a job that lasted. Regrettably, the days of being addressed as “son” are past. OAP status is still far away, but it’s eerily nearer now than the first flush of youth.
Interesting then to see that from today Simon Harris, the health minister, is reducing prescription charges for over-70s with a medical card by 50c per item from €2.50 to €2 as promised, and the monthly maximum regardless of the number of items from €25 to €20. That’s more like 7up than champagne for sure. And what sort would you be, if you begrudged it? It’s not like the health system has the money, but that doesn’t seem to matter. It will benefit 390,000 people 50c at a time.
From next week, a €5 per week increase in the old age pension kicks in for all pensioners, regardless of income. It’s interesting to look at the difference in tax paid by the old, compared to under-66-year-olds.
Dr Donal de Buirléir of publicpolicy.ie points out that on €20,000 a single pensioner pays €535 less in tax per year. That excludes PRSI, because they don’t pay any. For a married couple over 66, on a joint income of €36,000, the differential rises to €4,716. Their income is effectively tax free.
It’s not champagne, but it’s a lot of return in terms of State services, from health to public transport, all of which require investment, and which the old depend on more. In fact, it’s exorbitant largesse, from a State that can’t afford it. Regrettably, it’s not exceptional asymmetry in our out-of-kilter tax system.
In other news, it seems those of us who paid our water charges are to be refunded. Bizarrely, no consideration is being given to seeking a refund from us to the State, of the €100 hand-out for a “water conservation grant”. This, with new regulations for pint-sized apartments which will be building blocks for future slums, were signature initiatives from former environment minister, Alan Kelly. He is gone, but the debris remains.
It seems we aspire to public services on a par with European norms, but unlike those other countries, we won’t pay a water charge. Fine Gael made a bags of it in government. Fianna Fáil, in opposition, baulked. The entire response was led by a brilliant, but destructive campaign by the Left. They pulled Sinn Féin into line first. Fianna Fáil wasn’t far behind and now it’s the new normal.
It doesn’t add up though. Being a tax haven for the old is a lovely idea. The notion of ‘free’ water is an enjoyable hallucination, but the fact is that our tax base is unsustainably narrow.
Property tax is another Irish giveaway. It was frozen until 2019. Michael Noonan wanted to clear the political runway for successful electoral take-off before polling day, and took an increase off the table. Local authorities, which provide local services, including for the homeless are left without adequate funds. In addition, councillors usually, though not always, further reduce the tax by applying the up to 15% leeway, they have locally.
Then, astonishingly last Christmas, those most prominent in the campaign against water charges, in coalition with several who left their palm prints on reductions in an already modest property tax locally, turn up as Santa Claus in Dublin’s Apollo House, fulminating about those left homeless on the streets. It was the point at which stupidity passed into hypocrisy. It invested new levels of indifference into the refrain of “hey, hey, we won’t pay”.
But all of that is just the small part of the iceberg visible above the surface. The bigger deal is that in the wonderland that is our tax system the top 50% of tax payers pay 96% of personal tax. And top, so you are clear, is everyone earning over €30,000 a year. The remaining 4% of personal tax is paid by 21% of income earners. Extraordinarily 29% who earn, pay nothing. It’s crazy!
Sure, those who pay nothing earn very little. But those who earn very little, depend most on services which in the future, like the recent past, will be the first and hardest hit in a downturn, because our tax base is too narrow to support our spending profile. As with water charges, and property tax, so with income tax we are fundamentally and dangerously out of kilter with the tax norms of countries whose spending habits and service levels we want to emulate.
Last Friday night at the Irish Tax Institute, its president, Mark Barrett, issued a prophetic warning when he said: “We cannot run a country in which a few companies are too big to fail, or in which too few people bear the burden of taxation.”
He quoted the IMF which advised us that “the tax base is essential to minimise the impact of potential shocks and to withstand the upcoming demographics-driven expenditure pressure on the health of public finances as well as to safeguard the current welfare system”.
The minister for finance was sitting beside him. On his watch the percentage of income earners who pay no tax has risen from 12% to 29%. Our take on corporation tax, which is at 15% of exchequer income, is at or above average European levels, is dangerously out of kilter too. The top 10 companies pay fully 40% of it.
Admittedly, a water charge was attempted but it has been aborted. Property tax has been frozen. And then there are the recesses of our Vat system where, astonishingly, half of goods and services successfully elude any charge. More importantly than any single specific is a creeping return to the culture that led to the crash.
That’s all before serious, but imminent, talk on public sector pay. It’s the largely ignored backdrop to what I predict will be angry talk about subsidies for public transport this week. And that’s not to mention what other affront will emerge from an inefficient health service, hostage to vested interests, but which paradoxically is relatively well-funded. It won’t stop demands for more money, in return for precisely no reform though.
‘Equal’ is the preferred Sinn Féin word. ‘Fairness’ is the one Fianna Fáil likes. Further left, there is an entire scrabble set of them. Overheard from Fine Gael’s internal conservation are ruminations about social justice and inclusiveness. As of today, some who are perfectly capable of paying, will pay 50c less for every prescription item. There is €5 for everyone in the audience from next week. Swathes of the population are excused from obligation. It’s unsustainable and uncompetitive. The algae is blooming on the pond again.
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So You Thought Huge Salaries Existed Mainly in the Public Service !! None of the Top 10,000 Income Recipients on an average income of 595,000 Euro per year work in the Public Service.
But now it is revealed:
Fat Cat Irish Private Bankers earned a total of €50million in pay and bonuses in one year-Irish Mirror
European figures show 26 Irish bankers earned an average of €1.9million each in 2015.
Fat cat Irish bankers earned a total of €50million in pay and bonuses in one year.
European figures show 26 Irish bankers earned an average of €1.9million each in 2015.
The names and companies have not been released but this group was given €14.7million in pay and benefits before sharing an added €37million in bonuses and shares.
Their sky-high salaries were revealed by the European Banking Authority – a leading London-based regulator.
All financial companies must tell the EBA how many staff are paid more than a million per year.
Figures showed the highest paid earned nearly €20million in salary and shares between them while another two, whose roles were not specified, amassed just over €3million.
A further eight investment bankers made €14.3million between them and another eight working in asset management companies shared €13.1 million.
(Executives of State Owned Banks are not included in the above as their remuneration is capped at 500,000 Euro)
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RICHEST TEN PER CENT OF IRISH HOUSEHOLDS INCREASE TOTAL WEALTH BY 20 Billion Dollars or 18 Billion Euro in LAST YEAR ALONE!!!
“Of course, much of this wealth generation is coming at the top end: Some 169,000 Irish people were in the top 1 per cent for global wealth in 2016, up by 6 per cent on 2015. In addition, some 7,000 Irish people became dollar millionaires last year”
3.1 per cent, or 110,000 people, now fall into the +$1 million (wealth) category, up from 2.6 per cent, or 91,208 people in 2014.
– CREDIT SUISSE GLOBAL ANNUAL REPORT 2016
Rise in financial assets (€3.3bn) and in housing assets (€1.9bn) in 3 months!!- Central Bank Report Q2 2016
As the Richest 10% of households own 53.4% of total assets (and probably a higher percentage of Financial Assets), This means that the value of shares, bank deposits, bonds, insurance policies held by the richest 10% increased by at least 1.65 Billion Euro in 3 months. These Financial Assets of the Richest 10% are now almost 37 billion Euro above PEAK BOOM LEVEL (CSO Institutional Sector Accounts)
Not a penny tax is payable on these financial assets
Fiona Reddin, Irish Times Last Updated: Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 12:52
Household wealth in Ireland is growing at the sixth fastest pace in the world, according to the seventh annual global wealth report from Zurich-based bank. The total wealth of Irish households rose by $38 billion to $770 billion (€ 725 billion) in 2016, up by 5 per cent on 2015. (Top 10% of Irish Households own 53.4% of all Irish household wealth-Central Bank)
This means that Ireland now has a 0.3 per cent share of global wealth. Back in 2000, we had a share of 0.2 per cent and wealth per head of $91,525.
Ireland is in sixth place in terms of both change in total household wealth (+5.2 per cent) and change in wealth per head (+4 per cent). That puts up behind only Japan (19.3 per cent), New Zealand (14.1 per cent), Hong Kong (8.1 per cent), the Czech Republic (6.8 per cent)and Indonesia (6.4 per cent).
Of course, much of this wealth generation is coming at the top end: Some 169,000 Irish people were in the top 1 per cent for global wealth in 2016, up by 6 per cent on 2015. In addition, some 7,000 Irish people became dollar millionaires last year.
This pace of growth means that, in 2016, wealth per adult in Ireland stood at $214,589 (€202,208), up by 4 per cent or €7,745 from 2015.
Irish median wealth
“Median” wealth indicates the middle wealth value, which is the level that represents more people (as average is swayed by the high net worth). In Ireland it is $80,668 per adult. Irish adults have debt of $50,762 per adult. Ireland’s household wealth previously peaked in 2007 at $222,823, before falling to $176,881 in 2011.
In comparison, wealth per adult in the UK is $288,808, with debt of just $48,893 and median wealth of $107,865. The US has wealth per adult of $344,692, debt of $56,793, and median wealth of just $44,977.
The richest European country is Switzerland, where the median wealth is $244,002, debt is $143,364 and wealth per adult is $561,854.
Rising house prices are behind the resurgence in Irish wealth, which may be why so few of us have yet to feel an uplift. Property accounts for 60 per cent of our wealth ($156,509), compared with 47.6 per cent in the UK, 58.9 per cent in Germany and 28.3 per cent in the US.
According to the Credit Suisse survey, almost a third of Irish residents (31.8 per cent) have wealth of less than $10,000; 23 per cent lie in the $10,000-$100,000 range; 42.2 per cent have wealth of between $100,000-$1 million; and 3.1 per cent, or 110,000 people, fall into the +$1 million category, up from up from 2.6 per cent, or 91,208 people in 2014.
There were no new billionaires, however, with this figure steady on 2015 at five. The US can claim 582 billionaires and the UK 434.
Selling down
The survey also points to a reversal in the trend of Irish people selling down their equity holdings. In 2005, some 22 per cent of the country’s financial wealth was held in equities. This slid to 12.7 per cent in 2014 before advancing again in 2015 to 13.7 per cent. This compares with 44.2 per cent in the US and 12.6 per cent in the UK.
Household wealth in the UK declined by $1.5 trillion, or 10 per cent, the report shows, as “a direct consequence” of the Brexit vote. This means that the number of dollar millionaires in the UK fell by 15 per cent.
“The US had a tumultuous end to 2015-2016, with sharp declines in the exchange rate and the stock market following the vote to leave the EU,” Credit Suisse said in the report. “The outlook is very uncertain, both for the economy and household wealth.”
Global wealth advanced by 1.4 per cent to $256 trillion, reflecting lacklustre economic growth. It is expected to reach $334 trillion by 2021, according to Credit Suisse.
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FINANCE BILL-BUDGET FOR THE RICH PASSED BY Dáil
Fine Gael and the following others voted for the Finance Bill ( Budget for the Rich):
Mattie McGrath, Michael Lowry, John Halligan, Finian McGrath, Dr Michael Harty, Seán Canney, “Boxer” Moran, Denis Naughten, Shane Ross, Katherine Zappone
Fianna Fáil Formally Abstained
11 Deputies did not vote (not included in formal Abstentions (staon))
Dáil Record of Voting is carried below
Budget For The Rich
The overall effect of the budget is Rich Top 5% of income recipients on average incomes of 186,000 Euro per year will now Pay 172 million less USC/Tax than in 2015
No Tax was imposed on Financial Assets of individuals which are now well above peak boom level. The shares, bank deposits, insurance policies etc of the top 10% of households are now 35 BILLION above peak boom level in 2006
Hospitals, Schools, Housing , Welfare WILL REMAIN UNDER-FUNDED by the Gvernment’s own admission. Restorations of these public services are the subject of “5 year plans”, medium and long term strategies etc. For example, there is no commitment to end homelessness (over 6000 in emergency accommodation and still rising) within a year.
There is no provision for further restoration of pay and pensions beyond that set out in the Lansdowne Rd Agreement and FEMPI ACT 2015
Dáil Record
Question put: “That the (Finance) Bill do now pass.”
The Dáil divided: Tá, 58; Staon, 30; Níl, 38.
Tá | Staon | Níl |
Bailey, Maria. | Aylward, Bobby. | Adams, Gerry. |
Barrett, Seán. | Brassil, John. | Barry, Mick. |
Breen, Pat. | Breathnach, Declan. | Boyd Barrett, Richard. |
Brophy, Colm. | Browne, James. | Brady, John. |
Burke, Peter. | Butler, Mary. | Broughan, Thomas P. |
Byrne, Catherine. | Cahill, Jackie. | Buckley, Pat. |
Canney, Seán. | Calleary, Dara. | Burton, Joan. |
Cannon, Ciarán. | Casey, Pat. | Collins, Joan. |
Carey, Joe. | Chambers, Jack. | Collins, Michael. |
Corcoran Kennedy, Marcella. | Chambers, Lisa. | Coppinger, Ruth. |
Coveney, Simon. | Donnelly, Stephen S. | Crowe, Seán. |
Creed, Michael. | Dooley, Timmy. | Cullinane, David. |
D’Arcy, Michael. | Haughey, Seán. | Doherty, Pearse. |
Daly, Jim. | Lahart, John. | Ellis, Dessie. |
Deasy, John. | Lawless, James. | Ferris, Martin. |
Deering, Pat. | Martin, Micheál. | Fitzmaurice, Michael. |
Doherty, Regina. | McGrath, Michael. | Funchion, Kathleen. |
Donohoe, Paschal. | Moynihan, Aindrias. | Healy-Rae, Danny. |
Doyle, Andrew. | Moynihan, Michael. | Healy, Seamus. |
Durkan, Bernard J. | Murphy O’Mahony, Margaret. | Kenny, Gino. |
English, Damien. | Murphy, Eugene. | Kenny, Martin. |
Farrell, Alan. | O’Brien, Darragh. | McDonald, Mary Lou. |
Fitzgerald, Frances. | O’Callaghan, Jim. | Mitchell, Denise. |
Fitzpatrick, Peter. | O’Keeffe, Kevin. | Munster, Imelda. |
Flanagan, Charles. | O’Rourke, Frank. | Murphy, Paul. |
Griffin, Brendan. | Ó Cuív, Éamon. | Nolan, Carol. |
Halligan, John. | Rabbitte, Anne. | O’Brien, Jonathan. |
Harris, Simon. | Scanlon, Eamon. | O’Reilly, Louise. |
Harty, Michael. | Smith, Brendan. | O’Sullivan, Maureen. |
Heydon, Martin. | Troy, Robert. | Ó Broin, Eoin. |
Humphreys, Heather. | Ó Caoláin, Caoimhghín. | |
Kehoe, Paul. | Ó Laoghaire, Donnchadh. | |
Kyne, Seán. | Ó Snodaigh, Aengus. | |
Lowry, Michael. | Pringle, Thomas. | |
Madigan, Josepha. | Ryan, Brendan. | |
McEntee, Helen. | Ryan, Eamon. | |
McGrath, Finian. | Smith, Bríd. | |
McGrath, Mattie. | Stanley, Brian. | |
McHugh, Joe. | ||
McLoughlin, Tony. | ||
Mitchell O’Connor, Mary. | ||
Moran, Kevin Boxer. | ||
Murphy, Dara. | ||
Murphy, Eoghan. | ||
Naughten, Denis. | ||
Naughton, Hildegarde. | ||
Neville, Tom. | ||
Noonan, Michael. | ||
O’Connell, Kate. | ||
O’Donovan, Patrick. | ||
O’Dowd, Fergus. | ||
Phelan, John Paul. | ||
Ring, Michael. | ||
Rock, Noel. | ||
Ross, Shane. | ||
Stanton, David. | ||
Varadkar, Leo. | ||
Zappone, Katherine. |
Tellers: Tá, Deputies Regina Doherty and Tony McLoughlin; Níl, Deputies Paul Murphy and Richard Boyd Barrett.
Question declared carried.
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RESEARCH DOCUMENT INCLUDING DETAILED CALCULATIONS
SO YOU BELIEVE THAT INCREASED INVESTMENT IN PARTICULAR PUBLIC SERVICES COULD ONLE BE DONE AT EXPENSE OF OTHER PUBLIC SERVICES?
THAT PAY AND PENSION RESTORATION FOR ONE GROUP CAN BE ONLY DONE AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHER PUBLIC SERVANTS?
Or
Funded by an increase of 4% in top Income Tax Rate?
THIS IS RUBBISH!! It IS JUST PROPAGANDA OF THE SUPER-RICH AND THEIR SERVANTS IN POLITICS AND IN THE MEDIA
READ ON!!!!!
IN GDP PER HEAD IRELAND IS WEALTHIER THAN GERMANY, UK, US, FRANCE, ITALY
IRELAND IS RANKED 8th in World.
BUT Despite Ireland being one of the richest countries in the EU, the study reveals we are nearly last when it comes to distribution of wealth, ranking 18th — in the bottom-third of the EU(28) countries along with Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, and Latvia.—Bertlesman Institute Report (GERMANY), Irish Examiner, Sept 16, 2015
Super-Rich Irish Awash With Money
Full Details http://wp.me/pKzXa-n4
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TOP 10% Have increase in Net Financial ASSETS of 35 billion since peak boom level in 2006
Not A Penny in Property Tax Tax is Payable on This huge Gain
But households in negative equity have to pay LPT
Financial Assets are one form of Property
Positive Financial Assets include shares, bank deposits, insurance policies. Negative Financial assets include mortgage debt, credit card debt etc
Financial assets do not include dwelling houses, farms , workshops, business premises-these are fixed assets
Recent Corrected Figures for Financial Assets of Households (Individuals not companies) have been issued by Central Statistics Office
Institutional Sector Accounts (Financial) 2015 (millions) Households
Gross Financial Assets Total liabilities Net Financial Asets.
2015 363,316 160,459 202,857
Peak Boom 2006 132,032 m
The total Gain since peak boom level (2006) 70,825m
Top 10% own 53.8% of all household Assets (Financial +Fixed)
Assuming they own same % of net Financial assets(they probably Own a higher percentage)
2015 53.8% of 202,857 =109 Billion
2006 53.8% of 132,032= 74 million
NET FINANCIAL ASSETS INCREASE for Top 10% of Households since PEAK BOOM=35 Billion Euro
Why Doesn’t the Government cancel the concession to the super-rich, end the lock-out and re-open the schools?
Income Tax and USC Relief To High Incomes Over Two Most Recent Budgets Totalled Over 172 Million Euro
Government Concession to Top 5% of Income recipients (110,000 units) with average incomes of 186,000 EU per year Detailed Calculation wp.me/pKzXa-oM
( Assuming One third of units or c. 37,000 in this high Income bracket are self-employed- There were 85,000 self-employed with paid employees and 231,000 without employees active in irish economy in 2014) Stats below show that there are 18% self-employed in workforce (including part-time employees, minimum wage employees etc)
Budget 2017 Tax/USC Concessions to top 5%
Employee Gain 353 Eu Self Employed Gain 353+400= 753 eu (400 is a tax credit)
Top 5 % Average income 186,000 Eu Number of Units 110,000 Tot Gain
Employees 73,333 25,886,549
Self-employed 36,667 27,610,251
All 53,496,800
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Budget 2016
Employee Gain 902 Eu Self Employed Gain 902+550+ 1452Eu (550 is a tax credit)
Employees 73,333 66,146,366
Self-Employed 36,667 53,240,484
All 119,386,850
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Concession To Top 5% Over 2 Years All 172,883,650
595,000 euro per year is the average income the TOP 10,000 income Recipients
None of these are Public Servants-ALL IN PRIVATE SECTOR
Assuming all these are self-employed, They received 22.98 Million of The 172 million in tax concessions in last budget
Irish Economy 2014: Number of employees remains below bailout quarter of 2010 By Michael Hennigan, Finfacts founder and editor May 27, 2014 – 6:08 AM |
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(Thousands)
All self-employed 318.3
Employees(Including Schemes) 1,541.2
Schemes 85.0
Actual Employees 1,456.2
Actual Self Employed +Actual Employees = 1,774.5
% Self-Employed = 18%
600 Million in Tax Concessions to Hotel Owners in last Budget
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SIPTU PRESIDENT JACK O’CONNOR CONTRADICTS NOONAN’S FALSE CLAIM THAT GOVERNMENT CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY SAME
LEVEL OF INCREASE TO ALL PUBLIC SERVANTS AS WAS GIVEN TO GARDAI
600 million in tax concessions (VAT REDUCTION) given to owners of hotels which have fully recovered in Budget –Jack O’Connor (SIPTU)
BUT ONLY 290 MILLION PROVIDED FOR RESTORATION OF PUBLIC SERVICE PAY AND PENSIONS UNDER LANSDOWNE RD/FEMPI-THE GOVERNMENT MADE CHOICES
Mr O’Connor said: “We utterly reject the assertion that there is no money and that it is a choice between pay increases and services for the public.
“This is an absolutely false dichotomy. The fact of the matter is that the Government made choices in the budget. For example, it decided to continue to gift business in the hotel and hospitality sector with special VAT concessions costing more than €600 million (VAT REDUCTION) per annum at the tax-payers expense. They chose to do so despite the fact that the industry has fully recovered.
Mr O’Connor said the Government was also prepared “ to splurge a further €46 million on gifting for the wealthy through cutting capital taxes”
BUDGET 2017: HIGHEST INCOMES ATTRACTED HIGHEST TAX/USC RELIEF
Minister Noonan: “Tax and USC reductions have been targeted at those on low and middle incomes”
NOT TRUE !!!
Those over an annual income of 70,000 Euro are getting 146 million in Tax/USC Relief or almost 50% out of total relief of 300 million in Budget
The 300,000 over 70,000EU per year are getting at least 40 million more in tax relief than the 324,000 in the 30,000 to 40,000 category (average industrial wage 36,500).
A TD is getting an extra 7 euro per week from Jan 1. A person on average industrial wage(36,500 per year) is getting an extra 3.42 Euro per week,
A person on minimum wage (18,720 per year) is getting Tax/USC relief of 2 Euro per week .
A rich business person (self-employed) on 200,000 per year is getting 14.5 euro per week from Jan 1
An adult social welfare recipient including pensioners is getting a social welfare increase 5 Euro from March 1 which is equivalent to 4 Euro per week from Jan 1
IN GDP Per HEAD IRELAND IS WEALTHIER THAN GERMANY, UK, US, FRANCE, ITALY
IRELAND IS RANKED 8th in World.
BUT Despite Ireland being one of the richest countries in the EU, the study reveals we are nearly last when it comes to distribution of wealth, ranking 18th — in the bottom-third of the EU(28) countries along with Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, and Latvia.—Bertlesman Institute Report (GERMANY), Irish Examiner, Sept 16, 2015
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SIPTU PRESIDENT JACK O’CONNOR CONTRADICTS NOONAN’S FALSE CLAIM THAT GOVERNMENT CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY SAME LEVEL OF INCREASE TO ALL PUBLIC SERVANTS AS WAS GIVEN TO GARDAI
600 million in tax concessions given to owners of hotels which have fully recovered in Budget BUT. . .
ONLY 290 MILLION PROVIDED FOR RESTORATION OF PUBLIC SERVICE PAY AND PENSIONS UNDER LANSDOWNE RD/FEMPI-THe GOVERNMENT MADE CHOICES
Mr O’Connor said: “We utterly reject the assertion that there is no money and that it is a choice between pay increases and services for the public.
“This is an absolutely false dichotomy. The fact of the matter is that the Government made choices in the budget. For example, it decided to continue to gift business in the hotel and hospitality sector with special VAT concessions costing more than €600 million per annum at the tax-payers expense. They chose to do so despite the fact that the industry has fully recovered.
Mr O’Connor said the Government was also prepared “ to splurge a further €46 million on gifting for the wealthy through cutting capital taxes”
NOONAN FALSELY CLAIMS THAT GOVERNMENT CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY SAME LEVEL OF INCREASE TO ALL PUBLIC SERVANTS AS WAS GIVEN TO GARDAI
BUT he gave 172 million to those on average Pay of 186,000 Euro in Last Two budgets
IRISH TIMES: “In Brussels yesterday, Mr Noonan said it was “simply not affordable” to provide the same level of pay increases to all public service staff as those recommended for gardaí.
Mr Noonan said the Garda pay proposals fell within the parameters of the Lansdowne Road agreement.”-Irish Times 11/08/2016
The top 5% of Income Recipients have average incomes of 186,000 per year. These are now paying 172 million less in tax than before budget 2016
Virtually all those in this income bracket are in the private sector. Even TDs are below it. The Taoiseach and Full Ministers are included. The cohort mainly consists of owners of large businesses, GPs and medical consultants, cosulting engineers, big landlords with rental income, solicitors, barristers, vets, auctioneers, bookmakers, race horse owners and trainers etc
NET FINANCIAL ASSETS OF RICHEST 10% OF IRISH HOUSEHOLDS ARE NOW OVER 35 BILLION Euro ABOVE PEAK BOOM LEVEL-CENTRAL BANK REPORT 2015
TOP 10% Gained over 6 Billion in the year 2015 alone
TOP 10% Now Own 53.8% of all Household Assets Including 102.5 Billion in Shares, Bank Deposits, Insurance Policies, Bonds and other Financial Instruments
BUT NOT A PENNY IN ASSETS TAX IS PAYABLE ON THESE FINANCIAL ASSETS!!! These are part of the personal wealth of individuals not of Companies
On The Other Hand the Government Gave a total of 172 Million in tax relief to the top 5% of income recipients on an average income of 186,000 over last two Budgets–(SEE on this Blog: Tax Evasion by Irish Rich http://wp.me/pKzXa)
Central Bank Report 2015 says net financial assets (note 1) of households have increased by + 8 –(-4.7)=12.7 Billion in 2015
Net Financial Assets 2015 192,076 m
Peak Boom 2006 132,032 m
Gain 60,044m 0r by factor of 1.45
Up by almost 50% since Peak Boom level
Net financial assets of households 2015 192,076 m
Net Financial Assets “Bust” 2008 69,218
Gain 122 ,8 58 m or by factor of 2.77
These Figures have been corrected routinely by CSO and the verified figures now are:
Institutional Sector Accounts (Financial) 2015 (millions)
Gross Financial Assets Total liabilities Net Financial Asets.
363,316 160,459 202,857
The total Gain since peak boom level (2006) is actually 70,825
Top 10% own 53.8% of all household Assets
Assuming they own same % of net Financial assets=53.8% of 202,857 =109 Billion
53.8% of Gross Financial Assets = 53.8% of 363,316= 195.5 billion
(reality is probably above 109 billion and below 195.5 billion-PH)
NET WEALTH OF HOUSEHOLD= Gross Financial Assets + Gross Fixed Assets (note 2) less Gross Liabilities
TOP 10% or 165,820 Households own 53.8% of all net household wealth or almost 2 million Euro each
Total Irish Household Net Worth 595.7 billion in Quarter 1, 2015 up 2.2% over 3 months 19/08/2015
(These are the personal property of Irish PEOPLE, not of banks or of companies etc)
Click to access Quarterly%20Bulletin%20No.%203%202015.pdf
Note 1: Financial Assets Are shares, bank deposits, insurance policies. and other FINANCIAL instruments and does not include homes, farms, shops, buildings
Financial Liabilities include mortgage balance, credit card debt and other financial debts
Note 2: Fixed assets include homes, farms, rental properties,workshops, commercial properties, yachts, paintings and other NON-FINANCIAL items owned
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CSO 2014
The most recent INSTITUTIONAL SECTOR ACCOUNTS issued by the Central Statistics Office(CSO) show that the Net Financial assets of Households in 2014 were considerably( c 41 billion Euro) above PEAK BOOM LEVELS in 2006. There is no levy, charge or tax on the vast bulk of these large assets nor has there been as the assets grew over the last 5 years. These assets include shares, bank deposits, Insurance policies etc but do not include homes, letting properties, farms or other fixed assets.Mortgage debt, Credit card debt, and loans held by individuals are negative financial assets. They are subtracted from gross finacial assets to get the net figure. Consequently the gains of the very rich, those who have net positive assets, have been enormous.
There is no wealth tax on these financial assets. However there is a wealth tax on homes and dwelling houses (Local Property Tax) irrespective of the income of the owner however low.
Interest and dividends are income and are liable to income tax.
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BERTLESMAN INSTITUTE: IRELAND VERY RICH BUT AMONG WORST IN WEALTH DISTRIBUTION
Irish Examiner Sept 16
The growing number of poor people in crisis-hit countries and among young people threatens the existence of the EU, warned the prestigious German think-tank which carried out the study.
Despite Ireland being one of the richest countries in the EU, the study reveals we are nearly last when it comes to distribution of wealth, ranking 18th — in the bottom-third of the EU(28) countries along with Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, and Latvia.
Irish Times Sept 16
“Germany’s Bertelsmann Foundation ranked Ireland 18th among the EU 28 members, below Poland and Slovakia, in a survey of social justice in Europe.
“The foundation cited Ireland as an example of how high GDP per capita did not translate automatically into social justice for the population. “Ireland has a similarly high GDP per capita,similar to Sweden, but ranks considerably below average when it comes to social justice and counts as one of the biggest losers in the country comparison,” the report noted.” (Irish Times)
It is true that public finances are in an appalling state.
But this is because:
1)successive governments have refused to impose sufficiently high taxes on the incomes and assets of the super-rich Irish to pay for necessary public services
2) The current and previous government have agreed that the citizens of the state should pay the 67 Billion Euro which LARGE international investors had lent to privately owned Irish Banks when the banks crashed.(small shareholders were not rescued)
The official statistics on incomes and assets set out below show the obscene wealth of the super-rich Irish at this time. In summary, the top 10,000 income recipients have average declared incomes of 595,000 euro per year each. The financial assets (shares, bank deposits) of Irish households had already climbed back above 2006 boom levels in 2012
From 2010 to 2012 the wealth of the top 300 Irish rich has increased by 12 Billion Euro from 50 Billion to 62 Billion or a gain of 200 million euro each ( Nick Webb,Business Editor, Sunday Independent, March 11 2012)
The overwhelming majority of the super-rich are active in the private sector of the economy.
BUT ALL RECENT GOVERNMENT PROPOSALS FOR INCOME TAX RELIEF WOULD GIVE GREATEST BENEFIT TO THE SUPER-RICH AND NOTHING TO THE POOREST!!
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NET FINANCIAL ASSETS OF HOUSEHOLDS NOW 60 BILLION ABOVE BOOM LEVEL-CENTRAL BANK REPORT 2015
BUT NOT A PENNY IN ASSETS TAX IS PAYABLE ON THESE FINANCIAL ASSETS!!! These are part of the personal wealth of individuals not of Companies
Central Bank Report 2015 says net financial assets of households have increased by + 8 –(-4.7)=12.7 Billion in 2015
Net Financial Assets 2015 192,076 m
Peak Boom 2006 132,032 m
Gain 60,044m 0r by factor of 1.45
Up by almost 50% since Peak Boom level
Net financial assets of households 2015 192,076 m
Net Financial Assets “Bust” 2008 69,218
Gain 122 ,8 58 m or by factor of 2.77
CSO 2014
The most recent INSTITUTIONAL SECTOR ACCOUNTS issued by the Central Statistics Office(CSO) show that the Net Financial assets of Households in 2014 were considerably( c 41 billion Euro) above PEAK BOOM LEVELS in 2006. There is no levy, charge or tax on the vast bulk of these large assets nor has there been as the assets grew over the last 5 years. These assets include shares, bank deposits, Insurance policies etc but do not include homes, letting properties, farms or other fixed assets.Mortgage debt, Credit card debt, and loans held by individuals are negative financial assets. They are subtracted from gross finacial assets to get the net figure. Consequently the gains of the very rich, those who have net positive assets, have been enormous.
There is no wealth tax on these financial assets. However there is a wealth tax on homes and dwelling houses (Local Property Tax) irrespective of the income of the owner however low.
Interest and dividends are income and are liable to income tax.
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The obscenely unequal and unfair distribution of wealth in Ireland (See Further Down)
is replicated in the Entire Capitalist World
62 richest have more wealth than 50% of world’s population!
Richest 1% now wealthier than the rest of the world, Oxfam says
blomberg Jan 18
The charity called on governments to intensify efforts to reduce inequality
Oxfam says the richest 1% of the world’s population own more than the rest of the world
The charity called on governments to intensify efforts to reduce inequality
The richest one per cent is now wealthier than the rest of humanity combined, according to Oxfam, which called on governments to intensify efforts to reduce such inequality.
In a report published on the eve of the World Economic Forum’s annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland, the anti-poverty charity cited data from Credit Suisse in declaring the most affluent controlled most of the world’s wealth in 2015. That’s a year earlier than it had anticipated.
Oxfam also calculated that 62 individuals had the same wealth as 3.5 billion people, the bottom half of the global population, compared with 388 individuals five years earlier. The wealth of the most affluent rose 44 per cent since 2010 to $1.76 trillion, while the wealth of the bottom half fell 41 percent or just over $1 trillion.
The charity used the statistics to argue that growing inequality poses a threat to economic expansion and social cohesion. Those risks have already been noted in countries from the US to Spain, where voters are increasingly backing populist political candidates, while it’s sown tensions on the streets of Latin America and the Middle East.
“It is simply unacceptable that the poorest half of the world’s population owns no more than a few dozen super-rich people who could fit onto one bus,” said Winnie Byanima, executive director of Oxfam International. “World leaders’ concern about the escalating inequality crisis has so far not translated into concrete action.”
Oxfam said governments should take steps to reduce the polarisation, estimating tax havens help the rich to hide $7.6 trillion. Politicians should agree on a global approach to ending the practice of using offshore accounts, it said.
“Don’t just look at the very bottom, who have nothing, but look at the bottom 50pc – they own almost nothing of the country.These are the facts. This is not opinion. This is Ireland.”-David McWilliams
DIVISION OF NET WEALTH IN IRELAND-David McWilliams
As the election looms it’s worth looking at the real division of wealth By David McWilliams
To View Charts paste this link into browser:
http://olearylp.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/17th-December-2015.pdf
A little while ago, I presented a programme on RTÉ called ‘Ireland’s Great Wealth Divide’. The aim of the documentary was to highlight the significant and persistent divide in wealth that exists in Ireland. The reason it is an important issue to highlight is that even when the economy recovers, the benefits will not be evenly – or even remotely evenly – spread and this wealth divide has significant, long-term ramifications for the health of the society.
At the time of screening, there were some people who, like climate change deniers, continued to express the opinion that the wealth divide in Ireland was not a big deal and that it might be overstated.
This is not the case, and in the past few weeks, two other major studies – one by TASC and one by the OECD – have added to the canon of work proving that the divide in wealth in this country is a serious issue and that in the past few years, the divide between the income of those at the very top and those at the bottom has also increased.
This divide is important, because if people get left behind they may give up hope. Having wealth or having even a meagre stake in society changes the way people view themselves and the way they view the future.
For example, consider this one experiment involving a group of poor American families. Some of the parents were given a small savings fund, which was to be set aside for their children’s university fees when the kids grew up.
The kids were then assessed for cognitive reasoning every two years and, by the fourth year, the children whose parents had the small education fund were performing better in all tests than those who hadn’t received the fund. The implication of this is that the parents with this small stake in the future were changing their own behaviour towards their children’s education, such as reading to them, paying more attention to their homework and so on. This is extraordinary, because it reveals what having a stake in society, having something to aim for, does to people. It focuses people and gives them something to believe in.
If people have something small – a savings fund, a bit of wealth, a sense that they matter and that their future is in their hands – they change their behaviour for the better. Now armed with this type of thinking, look at the two almost identical charts. These show how wealth is divided in Ireland. One chart represents the estimates of the international bank Credit Suisse and the other represents the findings of the Household Finance and Consumption Survey. These charts are taken from the recent TASC paper published last week entitled ‘The Distribution of Wealth in Ireland’. I urge you to read it if you have any interest in the future of this society.
If we look at the share of the wealth owned by the top 10pc, top 5pc and top 1pc in Ireland, we see similar evidence produced by both reports. According to the survey carried out by the CSO the top 10pc own 53.8pc of the wealth of this country; the top 5pc own 37pc of the wealth; and the top 1pc own 15pc.
FIGURE 1 HFCS CHART
According to Credit Suisse, the concentration at the top is even stronger. Its estimates suggest that the top 10pc own 58.6pc of the wealth; the top 5pc own 46.4pc; and the top 1pc own 27pc. Even taking into account the slight disparity, the concentration of wealth at the very top in both studies is extraordinary on any democratic basis.
FIGURE 2 CREDIT SUISSE CHART
Indeed, because the CSO data is from a survey in which it asked people to declare their wealth, there is a very strong possibility that at the very top the very rich decided to understate their wealth, so the very rich might have played down their assets. The difference between the two is the split within the 10pc; not the split between the top 10pc and the rest. In both studies, the top 10pc own over half the wealth of the country.
The interesting aspect of these studies is the sense that Irish people know things aren’t right. We feel that something is not right and every time we are asked we say that we would prefer the society to be fairer. In the programme ‘Ireland’s Great Wealth Divide’ we conducted our own survey, where we asked people what they thought was the gap between the top 20pc and next 20pc and so on, down to the people at the bottom. We asked what you thought the gap was, then what you thought it “ought” to be and then we revealed what it actually was.
The gap between what you thought it was, what you thought it ought to be and what it is in reality is a huge one.
The consensus from a Red C poll of 1,000 people commissioned for the documentary was that Ireland’s richest 20pc had 60pc of the country’s wealth and that the poorest 20pc have 11pc.
The reality? The most affluent 20pc in Ireland actually own 73pc of the country’s wealth and the poorest 20pc own just 0.2pc. As for the top 5pc, their combined wealth is nearly double that of the entire “squeezed middle”.
Now look at the people at the bottom in Ireland in the two charts. While there are slight variations, the overall message is very clear. The charts are broken down into the top 10pc and down to the bottom 10pc.
Don’t just look at the very bottom, who have nothing, but look at the bottom 50pc – they own almost nothing of the country.
These are the facts. This is not opinion. This is Ireland.
As we head into an election year, it’s worth considering just how many people are being left behind, how many are being shut out. Consider how many people wake up with no hope, no stake, no way of seeing how they play a role in our society, no way of seeing a road map to a better future.
That’s what the wealth gap is all about. It is undeniable and it is persistent. Shouldn’t this be the main electoral issue next year in the year that we celebrate the centenary of a Republic that was supposed to cherish all the children equally?
But will it be?
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Top 10,000 had greater income than IFA General Secretary over 7 years.
Over the 7 years,he got 3.5 million, they got 4.16 million each. The top 10,000 club, almost exclusively private sector, are to get just below 11 million EXTRA between them next year and every subsequent year from Lab/FG government in tax and USC concessions in Budget 2016
Average Gross Income of top 10,000=595,000 Each(PQ reply from Minister Noonan to S Healy TD)
Total Gross Income of TOP 10,000=5.95 Billion=5950,000,00 Euro
USC and Tax Concessions- Budget 2016
Employees 6,667 X 902=6,013,634
Self Employed: 3,333X 1452=4,839,516
Total 10,000 =10,853,150
(assuming one third self-employed and two thirds of 10,000 are employees. calculation:Deloitte Budget calculator)
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AVERAGE INCOME OF TOP 10,000 is Above that of IFA General Secretary
IFA General Secretary on 535,000 Euro per year in 2013
Top 10,000 income recipients have average salary above this (Dáil Reply to Seamus Healy TD by Finance Minister, Noonan)
Top 10,000 Average Income €595,900 % AFTER TAX INCOME 364,000
Central Bank Report 2015
TOP 10% or 165,820 Households own 53.8% of all net household wealth or almost 2 million Euro each
Total Irish Household Net Worth 595.7 billion in Quarter 1, 2015 up 2.2% over 3 months 19/08/2015
(These are the personal property of Irish PEOPLE, not of banks or of companies etc)
TOP 10% or 165,820 Households own 53.8% of all net household wealth or almost 2 million Euro each
http://www.centralbank.ie/publications/Documents/Quarterly%20Bulletin%20No.%203%202015.pdf
TOTAL NET FINANCIAL ASSETS of Households were 165 Billion in 2013. Increase in Financial Assets from the 2008 (“Bust”) to 2013 was 93 billion or an increase 51% of Gross Domestic Product(GDP) . There has been further annual increases since then. There is no wealth tax on these massive gains. Finacial assets are shares,bonds, bank deposits etc less mortgages, credit card debt, etc. As the value of homes is excluded, financial assets are more heavily weighted towards the super-rich than all wealth. Most households with a mortgage are likely to have negative financial assets though not in negative equity.
Incomes of Super-Rich (Individuals and Jointly Taxed Couples-Reply to Parliamentary Question)
Top 0.46% 10,000 Total Income €5,959m Income per Year Each €595,900
Top 1% 21,650 Total Income €8,742 m Income per year EACH €403,760
Though 80% to 88% of this income is technically subject to income tax at 40%, these are paying a maximum of 27% of there overall income in income tax. They are major beneficiaries of tax breaks. They all received 747 Euro per annum in tax relief in Budget 2015!
See Further Down for Full Details
DISTRIBUTION OF NET WEALTH AMONG HOUSEHOLDS Derived From Central bank Report Q1 2015
Irish State No. Of Households | 1,658,243 CSO 2011 |
Top 1% 16,582 Net Worth= 15% of 595.7 billion = 89.36 Billion Per Household 5.389 Million
Top 5% 82,910 Net Worth=38% of 595.7 billion =226.37 billion Per Household 2.730 Million
Top 10% 165,820 Net Worth= 53.8% of 595.7 billion =320.49 billion Per Household 1.933 Million
UPDATE MAY 12
TOP 10% OWN OVER HALF OF IRISH WEALTH
Irish Examiner Tuesday, May 12, 2015
By Peter O’Dwyer
Reporter
More than half of the country’s net household wealth rests in the hands of just 10% of the population, while people in less well-off sectors of society owe more than they own.
CSO research shows the top 10% of the country’s richest households own 53.8% of net wealth — defined as real and financial assets minus debt.
The top 5% of households can lay claim to almost 38% of net wealth while 15% of the wealth lies in the pockets of the richest 1%.
At the opposite end of the scale, the data paints a darker picture as the poorest 20% of households owe more than they own.
The figures illustrate the two-tier society that has developed across the country, partly as a result of government policy, according to Fr Sean Healy of Social Justice Ireland.
“These figures emphasise that it was profoundly wrong of the Government to prioritise the better-off in society in the last four budgets,” said Fr Healy. “As resources become available in Budget 2016 and beyond, priority should be given to those hit hardest during the recession — Ireland’s poorest.”
With some of the country’s richest individuals experiencing large-scale losses in the past seven or so years, the level of inequality has not risen to a major degree. However, low- and middle-income families have been badly affected.
“Some people on exorbitantly high incomes have lost out despite recent budgets favouring them and, consequently, inequality has not risen dramatically,” said Fr Healy.
“However, those already struggling to survive have been stretched even further. This was not an accident, this was the result of Government decisions.”
With the Government flagging an equal split of additional funding between spending increases and tax cuts when it announced the budget in October, a much fairer manner of distributing the benefits of recovery would be to put twice the amount into restoration of services, Fr Healy said.
Recent research by the Central Bank points to a higher level of wealth inequality in Ireland than the eurozone average. However, it is less than that in the US.
Research indicates that countries with higher economic inequality suffer from greater unemployment, social instability, and reduced investment, although other academics dispute these effects.
Although open to a degree of statistical error due to the challenges in accessing relevant data, the Irish wealth gap appears to have widened over time, according to Tom Healy, a director of the Nevin Economic Research Institute.
Since the 1980s, a range of factors, including taxation policy, changing demographics, and house price fluctuations may have driven the changes.
Research carried out by Brian Nolan of the ESRI in 1987 showed that the top 10% of the population then owned 42% of net household wealth as opposed to 53% in current times. The top 1% then owned 10% of net wealth. This has now risen to 15%
Mr Healy said wealth distribution has not tended to feature in public discourse here to the same degree as in some other European countries.
“While comprehensive data are hard to come by, Thomas Piketty in his book, Capital in the Twenty-First Century, managed to track the main trends and composition of wealth in a number of large countries such as Britain, France, and Germany,” Mr Healy said.
“Here in Ireland, discussion of wealth has been an under-researched and under-reported area until comparatively recent times.”
Mr Piketty’s best-selling book put the distribution of income and wealth back in the public consciousness last year.
Update April 29
Political Promises In Spring Statement As Government Allows Super-Rich To Make Huge Gains While It Crucifies The Poor With Austerity And Water Charges
Deputy Seamus Healy TD (Tipperary) Speaking in Dáil yesterday
This Spring Statement is effectively an election manifesto of sorts with the bulk of the promises made to be implemented after the next general election. It is a series of political promises but we know well what happens to political promises. They are made to be broken, according to the former Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources, Deputy Rabbitte, who said that is what politicians do at election time – they make promises they fully intend to break after the election. That is what happened in 2011 and this Government cannot be trusted or believed. What we have heard today in this Spring Statement is effectively pie in the sky.
It is important to note what this Fine Gael-Labour Party coalition promised in 2011 and what it did with its promises and commitments. We heard a lot about a democratic revolution but we hear very little about it nowadays. Fine Gael told us that it would burn the bondholders and that not another cent would be given to the banks. The Labour Party went even further and said that it would be Labour’s way and not Frankfurt’s way. Its infamous Tesco-style advertisements promised no cuts to child benefit, opposition to domestic water charges and so forth. It contained very specific promises and lines such as “Look what Fine Gael have in store for you” and “Fine Gael – Every Little Hurts”. The Labour Party in government went on to cut child benefit, with a loss of up to €1,500 for many families. A Labour Party Minister is now implementing the introduction of domestic water charges, having gone around north Tipperary in the last election campaign asking people to vote for him to ensure that Fine Gael could not introduce such charges. We were also told that the Labour Party would protect the vulnerable, a point to which I will return later.
This Fine Gael-Labour Party Government continued the austerity of the Fianna Fáil-Green Party Government and did exactly the opposite to what it had promised. Government policy in the past four years has deliberately increased the income and assets of the super rich in society. It ensured that austerity affected only low and middle income families while there was a recovery for the wealthy and the super rich. The Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, Deputy Howlin, spoke about sharing the fruits of economic growth. He said that a functioning society is a fair one, where the fruits of economic growth are shared among all of the people, which demonstrates both dishonesty and hypocrisy. We know for a fact, as referred to by other speakers, that very wealthy people have increased their income and assets hugely during the course of this recession. An article in the Sunday Times last weekend pointed out that Ireland’s super wealthy now have a combined wealth that surpasses the heights reached at the peak of the Celtic tiger era. Ireland’s 250 richest people have increased their wealth by more than 15% in the past year to €75 billion, equivalent to 30% of Irish GDP. The number of Irish billionaires has increased from nine last year to 13 this year. There have been huge increases in the financial assets of the super rich as confirmed by the Central Statistics Office. The increase in assets from the time of the bust in 2008 to 2013 was €93 billion or an increase of 51% of GDP and there have been further increases since then. The situation is exactly the same with regard to income.
A very small proportion of very wealthy people have huge incomes. The 10,000 wealthiest have average incomes of €595,000 per year, a figure supplied to me by the Minister, Deputy Noonan. That wealth situation was confirmed about a month ago by the Sunday Independent rich list of the 300 wealthiest people in Ireland. Those 300 people have €84 billion between them. So the super-rich have done very well out of this recession while ordinary people have paid for it which they had no hand, act or part in creating.
On the other hand, it is instructive to look at what has happened to ordinary low and middle-income families. A recent Central Statistics Office report, the SILC report, shows that 400,000 children are living in households experiencing multiple forms of deprivation, of whom 135,000 are suffering daily material deprivation. The number of children living in consistent poverty has doubled from 6% to almost 12%.
The Labour Party claimed it would protect the vulnerable and particularly social welfare recipients. What is the record of the Labour Party and the Tánaiste in social welfare? She protected the social welfare recipients and low and middle-income families but I am afraid the cuts she introduced in recent budgets have devastated ordinary people and undermined the social welfare system.
It is important to mention some of those cuts, which I call the dirty baker’s dozen cuts: child benefit was cut by up to €1,500 per annum per family; cuts to the back-to-school allowance; cuts to maternity benefit; cuts to the fuel allowance; abolition of the telephone allowance; cuts to the household benefits package; cuts to jobseeker’s allowance; new qualifications for State pensions particularly affecting women who are out of the workforce to rear their families; the carer’s respite grant was cut by €325; farm assist payments cut; back-to-education allowance cut; exceptional needs payment cut; increase in eligibility for State pensions; taxation of maternity benefit; abolition of illness benefit for widows and lone parents who work; huge cuts, of course, to one-parent families with another huge cut coming on 2 July; cuts to rent allowance; and abolition, unbelievably, of the very small bereavement grant.
The so-called recovery is a recovery for those who are already wealthy and it certainly means continued austerity for low and middle-income families. The public does not trust or believe the Government. They know that what the Government says does not transfer into action. They know that middle and low-income families have been crucified by the Government. They want to see the Government going to the country and calling a general election. The Government has absolutely no mandate for what it has done. The public believe that it simply cannot be trusted. This Spring Statement is simply an election manifesto of sorts, one that the public will not believe and one that should be put to the country sooner rather than later.
Update April 17 HUGE RISE IN ASSETS OF SUPER-RICH CONFIRMED BY CSO
As usual this aspect of the CSO release was ignored by media
Increase in Financial Assets from the 2008 (“Bust”) to 2013 was 93 billion or an increase 51% of Gross Domestic Product(GDP) . There has been further annual increases since then.
These Assets have more than doubled. There is no wealth tax on these massive gains.
In 2013 Net Financial Assets of Households were 26 Billion Euro above 2006 “boom” level. The super-rich are now richer than they were at the height of the boom
Between 2011 and 2013 NET FINANCIAL ASSETS OF HOUSEHOLDS INCREASED BY OVER 40 Billion EURO
Only 17 billion of this was due to paying down debt giving a rise of 23 billion due to appreciation of financial assets in the two years concerned.
Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in 2014 at constant (2012) prices is 181.33 Billion Euro-Central Statistics Office(CSO)
As financial assets of many households are negative due to mortgage, credit card and loan debt, it is a reasonable assumption that the net financial assets of the wealthiest 5% are comparable to the net financial assets of all households at 165 Billion Euro
Central Statistics Office(CSO) April 15,2015 Institutional Sector Accounts Table 5B
Financial assets include shares, bank deposits and insurance policies on the positive side. Liabilities, which are deducted to get net financial assets include mortgage debt, credit card debt and bank loans to households (eg car loans)
Financial assets do not include any fixed assets such as homes, buy-to-lets, farms, land, business premises or factories and workshops.
As there has been major appreciation of property values as well as financial assets , the increase in the overall net wealth of the super-rich since 2008 is far greater than indicated by the financial figures below
Financial Assets Households(millions) TA=total assets TL=total liabilities NA=Net Assets
TA TL NA
2006 310,899 172,052 138,848
2007 310,711 199,036 111,675
2008 281,650 209,774 71,876
2009 306,338 207,272 99,066
2010 316,375 194,250 122,125
2011 315,028 190,056 124,972
2012 333,654 179,554 154,100
2013 342,735 177,805 164,930
2014 348,092 168,716 179,376
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Irish Rich Get New 25 Billion Bonanza as 135,000 Children Suffer Multiple Deprivation!
The Contrast Could Not Be More Stark!!!!!
In 2013 Net Financial Assets of Households were 26 Billion Euro above 2006 “boom” level and more than double 2008 “bust” level. Gross Financial Assets were 18 billion above the 2006 peak level.
In 2013, net financial assets of households rose again by 25 billion, only 7 billion of which was due to paying down debt.
The Gains For the Rich got virtually no media coverage as usual
These are the most recent statistics issued by The Central Statistics Office (CSO).In another recent release by the CSO, the SILC Report, it is shown that we now have 400,000 children living in households experiencing multiple forms of deprivation and 135,000 children are suffering daily material deprivation. The number of children living in consistent poverty – meaning they are living both at risk of poverty and experiencing deprivation – doubled from 6 per cent to just under 12 per cent between 2008 and 2013
Financial assets include shares, bank deposits and insurance policies on the positive side. Liabilities, which are deducted to get net financial assets include mortgage debt, credit card debt and bank loans to households (eg car loans)
Financial assets do not include any fixed assets such as homes, buy-to-lets, farms, land, business premises or factories and workshops.
Total F. assets Total Liabilities NET F. Assets
2006 310,899 172,052 138,848
2007 310,711 199,036 111,675
2008 281,650 209,774 71,876
2009 304,885 206,620 98,264
2010 311,372 194,219 117,153
2011 310,093 189,982 120,111
2012 324,381 184,467 139,914
2013 342,735 177,805 164,930
Nov 30
Anglo Bondholder List Leaked
International Financial Institutions Which invested in Anglo and to whom an Irish Government Paid Out 30 Billion Euro. We are now paying off the money borrowed for this purpose to other international financial institutions!
UPDATE Department of Finance Confirms Budget 2015 “Give-Away” to Rich
Department of Finance Press Officer Confirms that those on incomes over 100,000 Euro will gain a net 747 Eur per year from the combination of the tax and USC measures in Budget 2015
Sir, – The editorial “Taxing the self-employed” (October 24th) stated that the divide between PAYE workers and self-assessed workers has “widened further with the Government’s decision to make the self-employed pay an 11 per cent rate of universal social charge on earnings over €100,000”. To suggest the divide has widened as a result of changes introduced in Budget 2015 is simply not true.
The marginal tax rate for the self-employed earning over €100,000 has not altered with the changes introduced in Budget 2015. In 2014 self-assessed workers earning over €100,000 face a 55 per cent marginal tax rate comprised of 41 per cent income tax, 10 per cent USC and 4 per cent PRSI. Following the introduction of the measures introduced in Budget 2015, a self-assessed worker earning over €100,000 will continue to pay 55 per cent tax; however it will now be comprised of 40 per cent income tax, 11 per cent USC and 4 per cent PRSI.
These changes to rates will result in an increase in net income for the self-employed taxpayers at all income levels.
The factual position is that a single PAYE worker and a single self-assessed worker earning €100,000 will see an increase of €747 in their net income in 2015, as a result of the Budget 2015 changes. – Yours, etc,
BRENDAN LOUGHNANE,
Press Officer,
Department of Finance,
Dublin 2.
UPDATE Ireland More Prosperous than France and Germany!! Irish Examiner Nov 3
“It might sound like a contradiction, but austerity hasn’t ruined our prosperity, according to a global study.
A report by the influential Legatum Institute places Ireland 12th out of 142 countries in its annual prosperity index, published today. That maintains the position we held last year and may signal an end to the slide that has seen us drop from a high of ninth in 2009. It also puts us one place ahead of Britain, and, somewhat surprisingly, two places ahead of Germany, while France could only manage 21st, Spain 26th and Italy 37th.
Norway makes the number one slot for the sixth year in a row. The index does not measure economic performance alone, but assesses countries on 90 indicators which are then collated under eight headings.”
August 30,2014
Because of the publicity given to bankruptcies of very rich Irish people, it maybe inferred that the Irish rich generally are doing very badly. But it must be remembered that for every developer who bought over-priced sites and assets, there was another person or persons who has the large sum of money paid by the developer.
Many people also wrongly believe that Ireland has become a very poor country due to the banking crash. This may lead them to excuse cuts by government in spending on health, education and other public services.
BUT NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH!!!
“Ireland is still one of the wealthiest countries in the world. Gross Domestic Product (total of all goods and services produced) per head of population in Republic of Ireland is greater than that in Germany, France and the UK” (Nevin Economic Research Institute Report 2012)
Irish Examiner Sept 16
The growing number of poor people in crisis-hit countries and among young people threatens the existence of the EU, warned the prestigious German think-tank which carried out the study.
Despite Ireland being one of the richest countries in the EU, the study reveals we are nearly last when it comes to distribution of wealth, ranking 18th — in the bottom-third of the EU(28) countries along with Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, and Latvia.
Irish Times Sept 16
“Germany’s Bertelsmann Foundation ranked Ireland 18th among the EU 28 members, below Poland and Slovakia, in a survey of social justice in Europe.
“The foundation cited Ireland as an example of how high GDP per capita did not translate automatically into social justice for the population. “Ireland has a similarly high GDP per capita,similar to Sweden, but ranks considerably below average when it comes to social justice and counts as one of the biggest losers in the country comparison,” the report noted.” (Irish Times)
It is true that public finances are in an appalling state.
But this is because:
1)successive governments have refused to impose sufficiently high taxes on the incomes and assets of the super-rich Irish to pay for necessary public services
2) The current and previous government have agreed that the citizens of the state should pay the 67 Billion Euro which LARGE international investors had lent to privately owned Irish Banks when the banks crashed.(small shareholders were not rescued)
The official statistics on incomes and assets set out below show the obscene wealth of the super-rich Irish at this time. In summary, the top 10,000 income recipients have average declared incomes of 595,000 euro per year each. The financial assets (shares, bank deposits) of Irish households had already climbed back above 2006 boom levels in 2012
From 2010 to 2012 the wealth of the top 300 Irish rich has increased by 12 Billion Euro from 50 Billion to 62 Billion or a gain of 200 million euro each ( Nick Webb,Business Editor, Sunday Independent, March 11 2012)
The overwhelming majority of the super-rich are active in the private sector of the economy.
BUT ALL RECENT GOVERNMENT PROPOSALS FOR INCOME TAX RELIEF WOULD GIVE GREATEST BENEFIT TO THE SUPER-RICH AND NOTHING TO THE POOREST!!
Read also UPDATE:Poorest Pay Most Tax on this Blog http://wp.me/pKzXa-mX
Average Per Capita Wealth
Gross Domestic Product (total of all goods and services produced) per head of population in Republic of Ireland is the 7th highest in EU-Higher than Germany, France and the UK (Nevin Economic Research Institute Report 2012)
WEALTH OF IRISH SUPER-RICH
Financial Assets of Households (Table 3 Institutional Sector Accounts Central Statistics Office 2012)
Total financial assets Total Liabilities NET Financial Assets
2006 310,899 172,052 138,848
2007 310,711 199,036 111,675
2008 281,650 209,774 71,876
2009 304,885 206,620 98,264
2010 311,372 194,219 117,153
2011 310,093 189,982 120,111
2012 324,381 184,467 139,914
These figures show that net personal financial assets of all households have increased by 68 billion or by almost 100%(almost doubled since the low point of 2008 and both total financial assets and net financial assets are now above the peak 2006 level. (Table 3 Institutional Sector Accounts, CSO 2012)
Financial assets are mainly shares and bank deposits, the bulk of which are held by the rich. Houses, farms and business premises are not financial assets and are not,therefore, included. The liabilities are bank loans,overdrafts, credit card debt, and household Mortgage Debt, the bulk of which are held by those on low and middle incomes
Thus the total financial asset figure is the better measure of the assets of the rich as many households have negative net financial assets.
Average Per Capita Wealth
GDP per capita is the 7th highest in EU-Higher than Germany France and the UK (Nevin Economic Research Institute Report 2012)
(This wealth is distributed most unfairly. According to Central Statistics Office (CSO) this unfairness has been worsened by the state budget for 2014- PH)
Incomes of Irish Super-Rich
The table below is compiled from a table issued by Minister for Finance, Michael Noonan in reply to a parliamentary question on Oct 3, 2012 . It is based on projections by the Revenue Commissioners of expected earnings and expected revenue in the current year(2012) given the distribution of incomes in 2009 and subsequent developments. NB Below Revenue=tax+PRSI+USC. Effective tax rate includes income tax, PRSI and Universal Social Charge
Income Tax 2012
Below NO.=number of earners; G.I.=Gross Income of all earners ;
Av. I.=Average Income per Earner, REV.=Total Revenue from all earners; E.T.R.=effective tax rate
Earners NO. G.I. Av. I. REV. E.T.R
Top 10,000 10,000 €5,959m €595,900 €2,321 m 39% Average AFTER TAX INCOME 364,000 |
Top 1% 21,650 €8,742 m €403,760 €3,349 m 38% Average AFTER TAX INCOME 349,000 |
Top 5% 108,250 €20,122 m €185,885 €7,145 m 36% Average After Tax INCOME €120,000 |
Top 10% 216,500 €29,600 m €136,710 €9,849 m 33%
Average after tax Income €91,500
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Less than 6% of income recipients earning over 100,000 are in the public service and a large proportion of these are medical consultants
All of the top 10,000 tax payers who have an average income of €595,900 each (Reply by Michael Noonan to parliamentary question) are in the private sector.
From 2010 to 2012 the wealth of the top 300 Irish rich has increased by 12 Billion Euro to 62 Billion or 200 million each ( Nick Webb,Business Editor, Sunday Independent, March 11 2012)
POOREST IRISH PEOPLE PAY MOST TAX!
Poor People Pay most Tax—-NERI Aug 28, 2014
NEW research from the Nevin Economic Research Institute (funded by Irish Trade Unions) shows that the bottom 10% of the Irish Population pays the highest percentage of their income in tax whereas the richest 10% pay only 29.6% of their income when all direct and indirect taxes are taken into account.
BUT ALL RECENT GOVERNMENT PROPOSALS FOR INCOME TAX RELIEF WOULD GIVE GREATEST BENEFIT TO THE SUPER-RICH AND NOTHING TO THE POOREST!!
More detailed discussion on this matter can be found in my post UPDATED: POOREST PEOPLE PAY MOST TAX on this blog
What Would A Sinn Féin Led Government Do?
See also on this blog “Irish Sovereignty and Political Realignment of the Irish Left” and Sinn Féin’s 32-County Organisation would not survive Coalition
Jan 23/2017
SINN Féin is no longer the inheritor of the Revolutionary Republican Traditions of the First Dáil as we near the centenary of its first meeting
I carry below the full text of the Democratic Programme of the First Dail. I also carry the full text of speeches given by Michelle O’Neill and Gerry Adams at the Commemorative Meeting organised by Sinn Féin in the Mansion Hiouse, Dublin last Saturday.
The difference etween the Democratic Programme and the Sinn Féin position is very stark. The Democratic Programme is a revolutionary republican document. The Sinn Féin position is totally capitulatory. It fails to mention the growing loss of sovereignty of the Irish people.It calls on the Free State government to become “persuaders for Irish Unity”. The Free State government has surrendered all vestiges of Irish sovereignty to the Franco-German Alliance under the EU Fiscal Treaty. It has put our economic future in the hands of others through total economic reliance on foreign direct investment. Through NAMA and the banks it owns, it is selling off vast amounts of Irish property to Vultures and Foreign investors. This is resulting in increasing homelessness and continuing evictins from homes, farms and small businesses.
The Democratic Programme ,on the other hand, makes the right to private property subordinate to the public good. The reinstatement of this principle is what is required to halt evictions.
When the Bill on which the Constitutional Referendum to Affirm the Fiscal Treaty was passing through the Dáil, Caoimhín Ó Caoláin pointed out in the Dáil that the Treaty “flies in the face of the 1916 Proclamation” ut there was no mention of the Fiscal Treaty of surrender in the Mansion House last Saturday
Clearly Sinn Féin is not the inheritor of the revolutionary republican tradition that inspired the War of Independence
Sinn Fein Position on Irish Unity To-Day
Jan 21 Mansion House, Dulin-98th Anniversary of First Meeting of First Dail
Michelle O’Neill MLA calls for inclusive debate on Irish Unity
21 January, 2017
Sinn Féin MLA Michelle O’Neill has called on all sections of society to begin a full and inclusive debate about Irish unity.
Speaking at a Sinn Féin Uniting Ireland event in the Mansion House in Dublin today, Ms O’Neill said;
“The debate around Irish unity is hugely important, perhaps the most important debate many of us will ever be involved in as we move towards what is in my view, inevitable constitutional change in the years ahead.
“We need to see individuals and groups from all sectors of Irish society put forward their own ideas on this issue.
“Obviously, we will have different views on the future but that’s ok. That’s what debate is about.
“There is a place for everyone in the new Ireland that we are building and we genuinely want unionists to be part of the debate, to be part of shaping our future on this small island that we all share.
“Brexit is bad news for the people of Ireland, North and South. Nevertheless, it also opens up a unique opportunity to look again at a future beyond partition, sectarianism and division, and to a new and agreed united Ireland built in the interests of all the people of this island.
“A new and united Ireland will deliver full democracy to the people of the whole island, including the right of people in the North to remain within the EU.
“Sinn Féin has put forward our ideas and will continue to do so in the time ahead.
“What is vital is that an open, inclusive and fully-informed discussion on the future of Ireland involving everyone begins now.”
Imagining a New Republic – Gerry Adams TD
21 January, 2017
Sinn Féin President Gerry Adams TD today opened the Towards a United Ireland conference in the Mansion House in Dublin.
Today marks the 98th anniversary of the First Dáil in 1919.
Today’s speakers include Michelle O’Neill MLA, Susan McKay, Keven Meagher, Brian Feeney, Alex Kane, Mary Lou McDonald TD, Noel Whelan, Cat Boyd and Matt Carthy MEP.
Among the points Gerry Adams will make in his remarks:
- we need to address the genuine fears and concerns of unionists in a meaningful way.
- ending partition has now taken on a new imperative following last summer’s Brexit vote.
- Sinn Féin’s proposition that the North be accorded a designated special status within the EU will not affect the constitutional question. Taking the North out of the EU will. It will destroy the Good Friday Agreement.
- the North needs a special designated status within the EU. The Irish government needs to adopt this as a strategic objective in its negotiations within the EU 27 as they negotiate with the British Prime Minister.
- there is at this time no strategic plan coming from the government. That is a cause of real concern.
- all of this, and the current crisis around the RHI scandal is creating new political conditions. I believe that if we properly frame the positive arguments the potential of a new, reimagined, confident Ireland within the European Union, will prove attractive to some unionists.
- there is an onus on the Irish Government to prepare a real plan for unity. A first step in this would be the development of an all-party group to bring forward a Green Paper for Unity.
The Full Text of Speech Made by Gerry Adams TD, President of Sinn Féin
“There are immediate challenges facing those of us who want a united independent Ireland.
These include getting the Irish government to change its policy from one of acquiescing to the union with Britain to one of becoming a persuader for Irish unity; getting the Irish government to begin preparations for Irish unity; and lastly engaging with Ulster unionism on the type of Ireland we want to create.
We need to address the genuine fears and concerns of unionists in a meaningful way. We need to look at what they mean by their sense of Britishness and be willing to explore and to be open to new concepts …
But what is clear is that partition has failed unionists. It has failed nationalists. It has failed the people of this island. And ending partition has now taken on a new imperative following last summer’s Brexit vote.
The citizens of England and Wales voted to leave the EU. The people of Scotland and of the North voted to remain. As the dire economic implications of Brexit take shape there is an opportunity to promote a new agreed Ireland.
Sinn Féin’s proposition that the North be accorded a designated special status within the EU will not affect the constitutional question. Taking the North out of the EU will. It will destroy the Good Friday Agreement.
Clearly the preferred option of many unionists and many nationalists is to remain within the EU.The speech by Theresa May will have reinforced this. The dangers of a hard Brexit are now more obvious than before. The North needs a special designated status within the EU. The Irish government needs to adopt this as a strategic objective in its negotiations within the EU 27 as they negotiate with the British Prime Minister.
I have raised this consistently with the Taoiseach. However, as we saw this week in the Irish governments response to the speech by Theresa May there is at this time no strategic plan coming from the government. That is a cause of real concern.
The British government’s intention to take the North out of the EU, despite the wish of the people there to remain, is a hostile action. Not just because of the implications of a hard border on this island but also because of its negative impact on the Good Friday Agreement.
The British Prime Minister repeated her intention to bring an end to the jurisdiction of the European Court. Along with her commitment to remove Britain from the European Convention on Human Rights this stand threatens to undermine the fundamental human rights elements of the Good Friday Agreement. The British position also fails to take account of the fact that citizens in the North, under the Agreement, have a right to Irish citizenship and therefore EU citizenship.
All of this, and the current crisis around the RHI scandal is creating new political conditions. I believe that if we properly frame the positive arguments the potential of a new, reimagined, confident Ireland within the European Union, will prove attractive to some unionists.
This too is an opportunity and a challenge that political leaders in this state need to rise to. That would be helped by those parties and organisations and individuals on this island agreeing steps that advance the goal of unity.
Regrettably at this time neither Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael or Labour have a strategy to achieve Irish unity and the PBP/AAA alliance are against it. This has to change. Irish unity makes sense. Political sense. Economic sense. And it is in the best interests of the people of this island. Sinn Féin is prepared to work with all parties with a professed United Ireland objective.
There is an onus on the Irish Government to prepare a real plan for unity. A first step in this would be the development of an all-party group to bring forward a Green Paper for Unity.
In addition, plans should be developed for an all-island National Health Service and for all island public services through a ‘United Ireland Investment and Prosperity Plan’.
Now is the time for all parties who support Irish unity to come together to design the pathway to a new, agreed, inclusive united Ireland – an Ireland that is built on equality and which is citizen-centred and inclusive.”
Democratic Programme Of First Dáil
21/01/1919
We declare in the words of the Irish Republican Proclamation the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies to be indefeasible, and in the language of our first President. Pádraíg Mac Phiarais, we declare that the Nation’s sovereignty extends not only to all men and women of the Nation, but to all its material possessions, the Nation’s soil and all its resources, all the wealth and all the wealth-producing processes within the Nation, and with him we reaffirm that all right to private property must be subordinated to the public right and welfare.
We declare that we desire our country to be ruled in accordance with the principles of Liberty, Equality, and Justice for all, which alone can secure permanence of Government in the willing adhesion of the people.
We affirm the duty of every man and woman to give allegiance and service to the Commonwealth, and declare it is the duty of the Nation to assure that every citizen shall have opportunity to spend his or her strength and faculties in the service of the people. In return for willing service, we, in the name of the Republic, declare the right of every citizen to an adequate share of the produce of the Nation’s labour.
It shall be the first duty of the Government of the Republic to make provision for the physical, mental and spiritual well-being of the children, to secure that no child shall suffer hunger or cold from lack of food, clothing, or shelter, but that all shall be provided with the means and facilities requisite for their proper education and training as Citizens of a Free and Gaelic Ireland.
The Irish Republic fully realises the necessity of abolishing the present odious, degrading and foreign Poor Law System, substituting therefor a sympathetic native scheme for the care of the Nation’s aged and infirm, who shall not be regarded as a burden, but rather entitled to the Nation’s gratitude and consideration. Likewise it shall be the duty of the Republic to take such measures as will safeguard the health of the people and ensure the physical as well as the moral well-being of the Nation.
It shall be our duty to promote the development of the Nation’s resources, to increase the productivity of its soil, to exploit its mineral deposits, peat bogs, and fisheries, its waterways and harbours, in the interests and for the benefit of the Irish people.
It shall be the duty of the Republic to adopt all measures necessary for the recreation and invigoration of our Industries, and to ensure their being developed on the most beneficial and progressive co-operative and industrial lines. With the adoption of an extensive Irish Consular Service, trade with foreign Nations shall be revived on terms of mutual advantage and goodwill, and while undertaking the organisation of the Nation’s trade, import and export, it shall be the duty of the Republic to prevent the shipment from Ireland of food and other necessaries until the wants of the Irish people are fully satisfied and the future provided for.
It shall also devolve upon the National Government to seek co-operation of the Governments of other countries in determining a standard of Social and Industrial Legislation with a view to a general and lasting improvement in the conditions under which the working classes live and labour.
Dearbhuighimíd, i mbriathraibh for-fhógra Saorstáit Éireann go bhfuil sé de cheart ag muinntir na hÉireann sealbh na hÉireann do bheith aca agus cinneamhain an náisiúin do bheith fé n-a riar, agus nách féidir an ceart san do bhaint díobh; agus fébh mar dubhairt ár gceud Uachtarán Pádraig Mac Phiarais, dearbhuighimíd gur ceart go mbeadh, ní amháin fir agus mná na hÉireann, acht adhbhar maoine na hÉireann fé riaradh an náisiúin, idir talamh agus gustal na hÉireann, gach sadhas maoine agus gach gléas chun maoin do sholáthairt dá bhfuil san tír; agus athfhógraimíd an rud d’fhógair an Piarsach gur dual go mbéadh tosach ag ceart an phobuil chun leasa an phobuil ar cheart an duine chun seilbhe fé leith.
Dearbhuighmíd gur mian linn an ceart, an tsaoirse agus cothrom do chách a bheith mar bhuntacaí riaghlughadh na tíre, agus ná fuil d’urradhas le buanughadh Riaghaltais ná saorthoiliughadh na ndaoine chuige ach é.
Dearbhuighimíd go bhfuil sé de dhualgas ar gach fear agus gach mnaoi bheith umhal, díleas, freagarthach agus freastalach don Phobalacht; agus go bhfuil sé de dhualgas ar an náisiún feuchaint chuige go mbeidh caoi ag gach duine san tír ar a cheart agus a acfuinn féin do chur i bhfeidhm ar mhaithe le leas an phobuil. Mar chúiteamh ar fhreagra is freastal na ndaoine, dearbhuighimíd i n-ainm an tSaorstáit, gur dual do gach duine a cion féin de thoradh saothair an náisiúin a bheith aige.
Isé an príomhchúram a bheidh ar Riaghaltas an tSaorstáit ná gleusa soláthar chun leas corpordha, leas spioradálta agus leas inntleachta na leanbhaí do chur i n-áirithe dhóibh; feuchaint chuige ná béidh an t-ocras ná an fuacht ag goilleamhaint ar éin leanbh de cheal bídh, eudaigh ná dín tighe; acht go bhfaghaidh siad gach cóir agus gleus is gádh dhóibh chun teagaisc agus taithighe ceart do thabhairt dóibh i gcóir na hoibre a bheidh le deunamh aca mar chomhaltaí den tSaorstát Gaedhealach.
Is follus do Shaorstát Éireann nach foláir an dlighe gránna iasachta a bhainnean le Tighthe na mBocht i nÉirinn agus gach a ngabhann leis de chéimsíos is de náire, do chur ar ceal, agus plean éifeachtach éigin do cheapadh a bheidh oireamhnach don tír chun aire cheart do thabhairt do sheandaoinibh agus do lagaibh an náisiúin, daoine a thuilleann freastal agus buidheachas ón náisiún i n-ionad tarcuisne agus neamhshuime. Na theannta son, beidh sé de chúram ar an Saorstát gach gleus is áis dár ghádh a chur i bhfeidhm chun sláinte an phobuil agus leas corpordha an náisiúin, agus leas anama an náisiúin dá bhárr do chur i n-áirithe dhóibh.
Beidh sé de dhualgas orainn cabhrughadh le meudughadh gustail an náisiúin, an talamh a dheunamh níos torthamhla agus níos iontsaothruighthe; mianach na hÉireann, a portaigh mhóna, a cuid iascaigh, a bealaigh uisce, agus a cuanta do chur chun críche i ceart chun tairbhe muinntire na hÉireann.
Beidh sé de dhualgas ar an Saorstát gach níd is gádh do dheunamh chun ár ndéantúsa d’aithbheóchaint is do neartughadh agus feuchaint chuige go saothróchfar iad do réir “comhar oibre” ar an gcuma is feárr ‘s is oireamhnaighe ‘s is mó raghaidh i dtairbhe do chách. Cuirfar feadhmannaigh ó Éirinn go tíortha thar lear d’fhonn ceannuidheacht agus tráchtáil do chur chun cinn idir Éire agus na tíortha úd, a raghaidh i leas don tír seo agus dosna tíortha eile. Nuair a thabharfaidh an Saorstát fé thráchtáil an náisiúin, idir díoluidheacht agus ceannuidheacht, do riarad, beidh sé de dhualgas ar an Saorstát gan biadh ná earraí eile go bhfuil gádh leó do leigint thar lear ó Éirinn go mbiedeh a leórdhóthain fachta ag muinntir na hÉireann, agus a sáith i dtaisce aca i gcóir an ama le teacht.
Beidh sé de chúram ar Riaghaltas an Náisiúin, leis, a iarraidh ar Riaghaltaisí tíortha eile cabhrughadh agus comhoibriughadh ar chomh-chéim leó chun dlighthe i dtaobh gnáthshaoghail agus gnáth-oibre an phobuil do cheapadh a chuirfidh feabhas mór ar an gcórughadh saoghail is saothair a bhíonn le fághail ag lucht oibre.
UPDATE MAY 12
REAL CRISIS In Sinn Féin Deepens With Re-Election of Tory Government- (Statement by Villiers)
What would a Sinn Féin led 26-County government do if a minority Fianna Fáil coalition partner VETOED taxation of Super-Rich in order to end austerity?.
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// From irishtimes.com – Villiers: Sinn Féin should ‘stand by what they agreed’ on reform – Mon May 11 19:47:21 IST 2015//
To Read Sinn Féin View As Reported By Brian Feeney (SDLP) Click Below
http://republican-news.org/current/news/2015/03/sinn_fein_right_to_pull_rug_fr.html#.VVGwA45VhHw
(Reappointed Tory Northern Secretary)Villiers: Sinn Féin should ‘stand by what they agreed’ on (WELFARE) Reform
Mark Hennessy
Sinn Féin must “get to grips” with Northern Ireland welfare cuts because the British government will not pay for a more generous welfare system than exists elsewhere in the UK, the newly reappointed Northern Secretary has said.
Theresa Villiers retained the Northern Ireland portfolio when prime minister David Cameron named his cabinet following the Conservatives win in last week’s general election.
Ms Villiers said there had been meaningful discussions about welfare over the past few weeks, “but, frankly, it is difficult for those ever to take place during a general election”.
She dismissed speculation that direct rule by London is looming.
“I think we are some way off that, to be honest.” she said. “Without a budget, the institutions will become increasingly dysfunctional and unable to carry out their basic functions, so it does jeopardise their credibility and even their sustainability. But I don’t see that we are at a cliff edge of imminent direct rule.”
No orders
Facing calls from Alliance Party leader David Ford to put pressure on Sinn Féin to reach a deal on welfare, Ms Villiers said Mr Ford knew “perfectly well” that she can not “order them to take a different position”.
“That is what devolution is all about. If you want to persuade parties, you have to do it by convincing them. There is nothing mandatory that you can do to change their mind.”
However, Ms Villiers warned that Northern Ireland’s budget would quickly become “dysfunctional” unless a deal was reached.
Asked if she feared Sinn Féin’s stand was being dictated by its ambition to make gains in the general election in the Republic, due next year, Ms Villiers replied: “Regardless of what is driving this, it needs to be fixed.”
She added: “Martin McGuinness, Gerry Adams have been negotiating in some shape or form for 20 years. They signed up to a package of top-ups on welfare reform, which they for many months hailed as a great triumph. It was a generous package, a sensible package.
A good deal
“They should stand by what they agreed. Yes, there may have been some misunderstanding, but they agreed it, they signed up for it, they went out and championed it. It is a good deal for Northern Ireland,” Ms Villiers told The Irish Times.
“It is not possible to insulate the Northern Ireland Executive from the kind of difficult decisions that every single other elected administration in the Western world has had to make over the last few years.
“It simply isn’t possible for it to be absolutely completely unaffected,” she said. “We have done our very best in terms of the generosity of the settlement that we have given and we have supplemented it even further.”
Ms Villiers expressed hopes that an agreement can be reached.
“I believe that we can get through this issue. It will continue to be difficult because austerity is not at an end. But this has to be done, because unless it is the Executive’s finances become increasingly dysfunctional.”
©// 2015 irishtimes.comSinn Féin Attitude to Austerity in All-Ireland Causing Deepening Crisis in Party
In August 2014, in my piece on this blog ” Sinn Féin’s 32-County Organisation Would not Survive Coalition” I said : “Already the pressures on Sinn Féin as a result of being a 32-county party in a partitioned Ireland are becoming evident. In Northern Ireland, Sinn Féin has vetoed Tory welfare cuts. This has led to reductions in the British financial subvention and increased tensions within the Stormont executive. Supporters of the party will say that this would have happened in any event. However, it is a fact that it would be seriously damaging to Sinn Féin in the Republic if it had supported such cuts. In addition, it would appear strange to northern nationalists if Sinn Féin were imposing cuts in Belfast while fulminating against such cuts in Dublin”
Since I wrote the piece, Sinn Féin has done a deal on cuts in the 6-counties with the Unionists and the two governments through the Stormont House Agreement. But now the party has had to step back from that deal under pressure from southern workers and northern workers. Southern workers will not trust a party and continue to support it at elections on the basis that it will end austerity in the south if it is simultaneously imposing austerity in the north. Tomorrow trade unions in the six counties hold a one day strike against the cuts in jobs and public spending in the Stormont House Agreement.
The right wing of Sinn Féin want to be in coalition administrations in Stormont and Leinster House. The revolutionary republicans, genuine socialists and conscious workers north and south see the lifting of austerity throughout the island as the first priority. This is causing severe tensions in Sinn Féin.
Claims by Sinn Féin leaders that they were misled by the DUP and Stormont officials in relation to the Agreement are at best dubious. In the article above Brian Feeney confirms that the global budgetary figures were agreed by all. Is Sinn Féin saying that they trusted the words of the unionists and of the British government in relation to welfare? That would be a strange position for an Irish Republican.
The crisis in Sinn Féin which I expected to reach its peak after Sinn Féin joined a coalition in Dublin (either as a majority or minority party) may now occur earlier or progress more quickly than I anticipated.
UPDATE MARCH 13
Support Workers on Strike in Northern Ireland Today!
Public service workers are holding a one-day strike to-day against the cuts contained in the Stormont House Agreement.
Northern workers again give a lead to all!
THIS IS A UNIQUE EVENT. The strikers are taking action against cuts agreed by all the main parties in the UK and Ireland who brokered or supported the AGREEMENT—Fine Gael/Labour, Tory/Lib Dems, Sinn Féin, DUP, UUP,SDLP
Under the Stormont House Agreement, Stormont ministers are obliged cut £1.3 billion, more than 10 percent of the region’s budget, by 2019.
Unite regional secretary Jimmy Kelly said in a statement: “Without standing up to this, we can expect another four years of even more punishing austerity budgets.”
UPDATE March 12,2015
The Real Crisis in Sinn Féin
Sinn Féin Attitude to Austerity in All-Ireland Causing Deepening Crisis in Party
In August 2014, in my piece on this blog ” Sinn Féin’s 32-County Organisation Would not Survive Coalition” I said : “Already the pressures on Sinn Féin as a result of being a 32-county party in a partitioned Ireland are becoming evident. In Northern Ireland, Sinn Féin has vetoed Tory welfare cuts. This has led to reductions in the British financial subvention and increased tensions within the Stormont executive. Supporters of the party will say that this would have happened in any event. However, it is a fact that it would be seriously damaging to Sinn Féin in the Republic if it had supported such cuts. In addition, it would appear strange to northern nationalists if Sinn Féin were imposing cuts in Belfast while fulminating against such cuts in Dublin”
Since I wrote the piece, Sinn Féin has done a deal on cuts in the 6-counties with the Unionists and the two governments through the Stormont House Agreement. But now the party has had to step back from that deal under pressure from southern workers and northern workers. Southern workers will not trust a party and continue to support it at elections on the basis that it will end austerity in the south if it is simultaneously imposing austerity in the north. Tomorrow trade unions in the six counties hold a one day strike against the cuts in jobs and public spending in the Stormont House Agreement.
The right wing of Sinn Féin want to be in coalition administrations in Stormont and Leinster House. The revolutionary republicans, genuine socialists and conscious workers north and south see the lifting of austerity throughout the island as the first priority. This is causing severe tensions in Sinn Féin.
Claims by Sinn Féin leaders that they were misled by the DUP and Stormont officials in elation to the Agreement do not bear examination.
The crisis in Sinn Féin which I expected to reach its peak after Sinn Féin joined a coalition in Dublin (either as a majority or minority party) may now occur earlier or progress more quickly than I anticipated.
I carry below an opinion piece by Eamonn McCann in the Irish Times to-day.
I believe that mobilisation for Irish unity , independence and sovereignty will be a key factor in the Irish Socialist Revolution.
As Secretary of the NationaL H-Block Trade Union Committee which organised work stoppages in support of the H-Block prisoners, I believed at that time that it was totally wrong to demobilise the mass movement in the South after the death of Bobby Sands and to seek an internal solution in the six counties.
Union protests pushed Sinn Féin to Pull out of Agreement
Irish Times Last Updated: Thursday, March 12, 2015, 05:00
One of the factors behind Sinn Féin’s decision on Monday to pull out of the Stormont House Agreement was a series of trade union demonstrations tomorrow calling for rejection of the agreement.
All major public sector unions in the North will be on strike. Most schools and, it is expected, all social security, Housing Executive and civil service offices will be closed. No buses or trains will run. Marches and rallies opposing the economic components of the agreement will be held in Belfast, Derry, Strabane, Enniskillen, Omagh, Magherafelt, Cookstown, Dungannon and Craigavon. (Interest declared: I represent the NUJ on Derry Trades Union Council.)
Over the past month, more than 100 meetings have been held in union offices, community centres and rooms above pubs urging attendance at the protests. Some have been small, others have drawn reasonable audiences of 50-100. This has been the most extensive union operation in the North in living memory.
The demonstrations may not be as big as union optimists expect. The success of appeals to the wider community is far from guaranteed. Enthusiasm sits alongside a degree of cynicism. References to the Grand Old Duke of York have regularly been heard.
20,000 job losses
The unions’ main concern is that the agreement involves the loss of 20,000 public sector jobs. Assurances that there will be no compulsory redundancies have cut little ice. When the jobs are gone, they’re gone for good. Union density is significantly greater in the public sector than in private businesses. A reduction of 20,000 in the workforce would not only lengthen the dole queues but cost the unions almost 20,000 members.
The prospect of being at loggerheads with the unions has dismayed many in Sinn Féin. The party’s ardfheis in Derry last weekend heard an address by Ictu president Jack Douglas, extolling its adherence to the union cause. To the delight of the party, Siptu general secretary Jack O’Connor chose the occasion of the Labour Party conference in Tralee a fortnight ago to hail Sinn Féin as a potential friend of Labour in government.
The party will be acutely aware that many of those who march tomorrow are likely to have voted Sinn Féin in the past.
The vehemence of the unions’ denunciation of the agreement has taken many aback. Leaflets and advertisements have been headed “No Deal! . . . No one voted for our elected politicians to do a deal like this. It is bad for workers, for all communities, for society and for equality.”
This is the first time trade unions have opposed a Stormont deal. On every previous occasion, they have hailed the outcome as a welcome contribution to the consolidation of peace.
Sinn Féin will also have been aware that, despite chaotic disagreement between the two main parties as to what was actually agreed, some past statements on the Assembly record are damning. Responding to claims that the party only discovered last weekend that its Executive partner was interpreting the agreement to mean that “top-up” payments would not apply automatically to all present and future recipients of disability living allowance, the DUP has repeatedly quoted its Social Development Minister Mervyn Storey in the Assembly on February 14th:
“The disability protection scheme . . . involves making a financial payment to those DLA claimants who are unsuccessful in their claim for personal independence payment and who subsequently appeal the disallowance decision . . . A financial payment should be made to those claimants and continue until the appeals service has made a decision on the claimant’s appeal.
“[Another] element provides support for those claimants who receive a lower level of payment under the personal independence payment . . . This will involve a . . . payment that will continue for a specified period depending on the date when the claimant is reassessed for personal independence payment.”
Inexplicable
The DUP argues that it is inexplicable in light of these and a number of other apparently unambiguous statements that Sinn Féin can have believed what it now says it believed.
Green Party leader Steven Agnew MLA, whose attempts to amend the Welfare Bill were systematically voted down by both main parties, described as “irresponsible” Sinn Féin’s claim that no claimant would lose out under the agreement it had put its name to.
The fact that Sinn Féin is now opposing at least some of the cuts which most observers see in the agreement has been welcomed by claimants’ organisations and community and union groups. But the fact that the party has taken such a long and winding road to reach this point has not encouraged confidence that the way ahead will be straightforward.
The numbers mobilised by the unions tomorrow may tell a tale of more relevance to the chances of the agreement surviving than many of the matters widely canvassed since the start of the week.
UPDATE August 8,2014-I discuss here two important Articles from the August edition of Sinn Fein monthly magazine, An Phoblacht, published on August 1. The articles themselves are carried below my comment. The coverage of the earlier part of this discussion is carried further down-Paddy Healy
Further UPDATE Sept 20,2014
There are two further contributions to the political discussion on the way forward carried in the September edition of AnPhoblact. One is by Jack O’Connor, General President of SIPTU, Irelands giant 32-county union, and arguably the organization through which historically Irish workers became “a class for itself”. SIPTU remains affiliated to the Labour Party which is the junior partner in the Coalition government which has been in power for over 3 years. It is worth noting that SIPTU supported Joan Burton in the Labour party leadership race. Because of the collapse of the Labour party from over 200 seats to 51 in the local elections, the Labour Party is almost solely dependant on SIPTU support for its continued existence.
The other contribution is by Jimmy Kelly who is General Secretary of the Irish Region of UNITE THE UNION which also covers all 32 counties but is bigger in the 6-county area. UNITE has always been to the left of SIPTU in the 26-counties. The Irish Region of UNITE has now dissaffiliated from the IRISH Labour Party, but UNITE as a whole remains affiliated to the British Labour Party.
These contributions are carried further down in this blog. I will address their content in the near future
There are a number of opinion pieces in the August edition of An Phoblacht. Two are of particular importance because they are written by Sinn Féin members-Cllr Eoin Ó Broin and SIPTU NEC Member David Connolly who represents members employed in the community sector..
The editorial in An Phoblacht contains the statement “Reactionary parties, north and south, who champion these cuts need to explain to those who elect them why they are so keen to punish the most vulnerable.——They should join with Sinn Féin and growing numbers of others fighting against austerity and cuts”. Presumably the editor is inviting the right wing parties- FG, FF, DUP, UUP who are implementing the cuts to join SF in opposing the cuts. If this is not political small talk, it is very dangerously confusing. It would be in line with a view that FF and FG could change sufficiently to be suitable partners for coalition government with Sinn Féin as a minority element. Sinn Féin leaders-Gerry Adams, Mary Lou McDonald and Pearse Doherty have not ruled out such a position. The most recent opinion poll shows Sinn Féin and the main governing party, Fine Gael in equal first position when statistical survey error is taken into account.
It is important to recognise that the O Broin and Connolly positions are indeed “another view” even if they do not go nearly far enough and are generally fudged . Neither contribution deals sharply with the coalition issue which is the issue. All else can be forgotten as mere political rhetoric if actual coalition with FF and/or FG in government is effected.
The piece by Eoin Ó Broin is heavily weighted against coalition as a minority partner with FF,FG. He says: ”The experience of our Left republican predecessors in Ireland must be fully understood” and goes on to mention Clann Na Poblachta, The labour Party, The workers Party etc.
However he does not mention let alone sharply oppose participation in coalition as a minority party explicitly as he does in his blog . This is worrying. It is particularly necessary to sharply oppose coalition well in advance of the issue arising in practice. If the Free State wants SF in coalition, the pressure exerted on the party will be massive. All will change in the media. Pro-coalition Sinn Féin leaders who have been vilified for decades will be portrayed as great saviours of the Irish people etc. They will be praised by EU and American leaders who are allies of the Free State. Unless the left republicans are very clear on their position and well prepared, they will be steam-rolled. New reasons will be dredged up to convince members that coalition is needed to save the Irish people from much worse. It may be claimed that entry into coalition is necessary to “save the peace process” and to save northern nationalists from a return to one-party unionist domination etc It would not be difficult for the British government, the Free State authorities and the US to “ready up” such a situation
The best part of the contribution of David Connolly is :” As presently constituted, the Irish state is incapable of change.” He also advocates joining with community organisations in a mass movement against austerity. All this is very positive. However he does not even mention the elephant which is blocking the road ahead for Irish workers. SIPTU is by far the most important of all Irish working class organisations and sets all agendas both political and economic. But its current leadership is a key support to the government’s austerity agenda and the main barrier to mobilisation of workers. It had also been deeply implicated with Fianna Fáil and the entire Irish elite in creating the circumstances in which an economic collapse was inevitable. For example, the ICTU which it dominates, was represented on the board of the central bank which allowed an outrageous level of foreign borrowing by the banking sector. Despite the savage austerity visited on workers by the Labour Party in government, unlike UNITE The UNION, SIPTU remains affiliated to the party and vigorously defends its role in government. The SIPTU leadership uses the old explanation used by all capitulators and collaborators-it would be even worse for workers if the Labour Party was not in government.
To create a wide mobilisation against austerity, The SIPTU leadership must be removed or, at a minimum, pushed aside. For a leading elected representative of workers to remain silent on these matters is inexcusable. It would not be at all surprising if, after the Labour Party is wiped out, the SIPTU leadership puts strong pressure, both in public and in private, on Sinn Féin to replace it in coalition. Is the Sinn Féin leadership keeping lines open to the capitulationist trade union leadership?
Some years ago, Gerry Adams said that if SF had entered a joint executive with Unionists at Stormont, it would have no difficulty in principle with being in coalition with any party in Dublin.
Since the recent elections, Sinn Féin leaders (Gerry Adams, Mary Lou McDonald, Pearse Doherty) in several interviews have failed to rule out coalition with FF and/or FG in response to direct questions. They have said that abolition of the property tax is a red line issue or precondition for entering a coalition government. In response to further questions they have refused to set out any other red line issue including abolition of water charges, rejection of the Fiscal Treaty, or any particular initiative in relation to Irish Unity
The strongest position taken in public is that of Cllr Eoin Ó Broin who says that Sinn Féin should not enter a coalition in which Sinn Féin was in a minority. Some spokespeople have also said that Sinn Féin would prefer to be in a Sinn Féin-Labour-Left coalition.
The Dublin government is bound by the EU Fiscal Treaty. In the Dáil Caoimhín Ó Caolain on behalf of Sinn Féin has described this as an austerity treaty which flies in the face of the 1916 proclamation in that it is the negation of Irish sovereignty.
Whether Fianna Fáil and/or Fine Gael are the majority or minority party in a coalition, each party will insist on implementing this Treaty.
Why has Sinn Féin not made rejection of this Treaty a red line issue for participation in coalition?
THE Adams statement which inferred that if SF had entered a joint executive with Unionists at Stormont, it would have no difficulty in principle with being in coalition with any party in Dublin is seriously wrong and misleading. It may lead supporters to believe that since participation in the Stormont Executive has done no electoral damage to Sinn Féin support in the six counties, that participation in a coalition government in Dublin would not necessarily damage Sinn Fein support in the south.
The two situations are entirely different.
The northern executive is merely a mechanism for regional administration within the United Kingdom. It is not and it does not purport to be a sovereign government. It is a fact that the majority of northern nationalists have continued to support Sinn Féin as it participates in this body. Indeed Sinn Féin has ousted SDLP as the leading party in Derry in the recent elections.It is my view that northern nationalists see this continued participation as a guarantee against the return of institutionalised discrimination in the allocation of houses, other public services and to lower status in society generally.
The Dublin parliament is a totally different matter.
Despite severe de facto limitations on its actual powers, it is technically a sovereign parliament and is viewed as such and expected to act as such by the population.
There is no threat of a return to domination by a Unionist caste as in the north.
I believe that participation by Sinn Féin in a government in Dublin which did not deliver significant economic gains to the majority of the population and did not make serious progress in enhancing Irish unity and sovereignty would lead to a collapse in electoral support for Sinn Féin. The party would follow the downward road travelled by Clann na Poblachta, The Workers Party and the Labour Party. If Sinn Féin participated in a government which implemented austerity in accordance with the Fiscal Treaty, it would be wiped out.
Ireland is facing a major historical turning point. The decision of Sinn Féin on coalition in Dublin will be central to the outcome.
I believe that the depth of the historical turning point which Ireland is facing in the next two years is being underestimated . Things cannot go on in the old way because the people of the 26 counties will not tolerate increasing austerity for much longer. They have only voted against austerity. The main cohorts have not yet fought through strikes, demonstations etc but this is on the way as it is now becoming widely understood that restraint will not work. The outcome of the recent elections has accelerated this process. I believe that political crisis will be the most intense since the civil war.
I believe that the notion that Sinn Féin will be able to “play a long game” in opposition while retaining coherence is mistaken. Sinn Féin, in its membership and support, contains a number of political components. At one pole are the revolutionary republicans and at the other are the capitulationist pro-capitalists and there are all shades in between, many simply confused.
It is well to recall that all capitulators claim to be “playing a long game”. Collins said we should settle for a “stepping stone” to Irish Freedom . Brendan Corish said he was fighting for socialism “eventually”. McBride said he had first to remove Fianna Fáil patronage in giving out roadwork and to secure the declaration of a 26-county republic.
After the next election, I believe that the 26 county capitalists will not initially allow a Fine Gael- Fianna Fail coalition. This would leave them with no fall- back position as the more populist FF would be wiped out. This will leave no possibility of a government being formed without Sinn Féin. The problem is likely to be addressed in the context of a significant degree of popular mobilisation on economic issues. The class pressures on the political components of Sinn Féin will be massive as they were in the civil war period of 1921 to 1923.
There will be an intense discussion within Sinn Féin. The issue will not be one of tactical stupidity or cleverness. It is the duty of those of us who understand the positive role that revolutionary republicanism can play in the Irish socialist revolution to do what we can to ensure that the revolutionary republicans are victorious. That is why a serious discussion must take place now so that people cannot be fooled.
Simply denouncing Sinn fein in its entirety as some left wing groups do is counter-productive.
ClannNa Poblachta leader Mac Bride told the small farmer and cottier supporters of Clann Na Poblachta that he had to go into coalition with Fine Gael to break the Fianna Fail ganger system of allocating work on the roads. Collins said the Treaty would give us the freedom to win freedom. We must be ready for the “new fangled” excuses. The need to save “the peace process” and to prevent a return to one party unionist administration in the north is likely to be invoked. But there are always unexpected excuses in politics.
Let us do something positive to protect against capitulation. Let us ask Sinn Féin to publicly commit against coalition with Fianna Fáil and/or Fine Gael and to give an undertaking not to implement the Fiscal Treaty which sets aside Irish sovereignty and imposes continued austerity.
The electorate is entitled to know BEFORE the election
If Sinn Féin made such a commitment it would create a new position which would have to be considered by left wing organisations.
What is important is to positively effect what happens in the FUTURE.
Discussion of previous or current mistakes is important in order to learn from them. There are very many genuine people in Sinn Féin andin left wing groups.
There is wide agreement on the left that entry of Sinn Féin or left TDs into coalition with Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael would be disastrous for the Irish People.
There are also several “left” TDs who have not ruled out coalition with FF and/or Fine Gael.
I believe that we should focus in the discussion on getting a public undertaking in advance from Sinn Féin and left wing TDs that they will not go into coalition with FF and/or FG after the next election and that they will under no circumstances implement the Fiscal Treaty which flies in the face of the 1916 Proclamation
An Phoblacht EDITORIAL Extract
The an Phoblacht editorial says: “Reactionary parties, north and south, who champion these cuts need to explain to those who elect them why they are so keen to punish the most vulnerable.——They should join with Sinn Féin and growing numbers of others fighting against austerity and cuts”
Presumably the editor is inviting Fg, FF, DUP, UUP who are implementing the cuts to join SF in opposing the cuts. If this is not political small talk, it is very dangerous.
It is important to recognise that the O Broin and Connolly positions are indeed “another view”.
Ready For Government? An Phoblacht, Lúnasa, 2014
Another View-Eoin ó Broin (Sinn Féin Councillor)
THERE IS A LOT OF TALK of Sinn Fein in government these days. Gerry (Adams) is telling us to get ready. Micheal (Martin FF Leader) and Enda (Kenny, Taoiseach and FG leader) are saying no way. The Indo (Irish Independent-main establishment newspaper)is in panic mode. Things seem to be getting serious.
There is no doubt that Sinn Fein wants to be in government in the South. But big questions remain, one of which is: ‘Are we ready?’
The straight answer is no, we are nowhere near ready to participate in government in Leinster House. But there is enough time to get ready, if we use that time wisely.
So what must we do?
The first thing is to learn from the mistakes of the past so as not to repeat them.
The experience of our Left republican predecessors in Ireland must be fully understood.
Why did Clan na Poblachta’s challenge to Fianna Fail hegemony collapse after such a bright start. Was the implosion of the Workers’ Party and the dissolution of Democratic Left inevitable?
We must also take seriously the failure of Labour to have a meaningful long-term impact on Government policy or to permanently break beyond its half-party subordinate role in Southern politics.
International experience must also be understood.
Why have European democratic socialist parties suffered (electorally and organisationally) from their participation in Government in France, Italy and Sweden?
Progressive forces have squabbled about the best route to a more equal society – reform or revolution?
What explains the return of the Right to government in Norway after the Left coalitions successful two terms in office?
If we want to enter Government to achieve real political, social and economic transformation then we need to debate and understand these failures in order to develop strategies that allow us to achieve our goals in ways that our Irish and international predecessors did not.
Then there is the question of what kind of social, economic and political transformation are we talking about.
Sinn Fein policy is strong on end points – we know where we want to get to. But we have yet to map out, in concrete policy terms, how we would get there.
How do you get from a dysfunctional and wasteful two-tier, partitioned health system to an all-Ireland, free-at-the-point-of-delivery, one-tier system? If we can’t answer these kinds of questions then we won’t be able to deliver the change we promise.
There is an urgent need for the party to map out the detail of our vision for Ireland and the route by which we plan to get there – step by step, policy decision by policy decision, across the key areas of political, social and economic life.
But policy detail is not enough. We also need to start building the coalitions for change required to overcome the already existing power alliances of the status quo.
Sinn Fein cannot deliver the kind of transformation we are seeking alone. We need to be part of a myriad of movements for change – some local, some national, some short-term and tactical, some long-term and strategic.
These alliances must be social and political, institutional and popular. They must involve people and organisations and combined must constitute a mass movement for a better Ireland.
For over a century, progressive forces across the globe squabbled about which was the best route to a more equal society – reform or revolution?
Today this debate is redundant. There are elements of both philosophies and strategies that are necessary if we are to fundamentally change our society.
Our goal is the radical transformation of the political, social and economic fabric of Ireland. This can only be achieved by securing a critical mass of reforms within the institutions supported by a strong and diverse popular movement for change outside the institutions.
Sinn Fein are trying to do something that all of our predecessors, in Ireland and internationally, have failed to achieve to date.
Our success will depend on many things, including on how well we prepare for government.
What cannot be doubted is the seriousness of our intent. Maybe that’s why the political establishment is starting to panic.
Offering A Real Alternative For Government
By David Connolly, Community and SIPTU Trade Union
Activist
DAVID CONNOLLY IS WRITING HERE IN A PERSONAL CAPACITY
(David Connolly is a member of the National Executive
Committee of SIPTU and is Chair of the Community Sector
Committee of ICTU-Paddy Healy)
IT’S NOT SURPRISING that much of the focus by the Dublin mainstream media after the recent election successes of Sinn Fein has been on the prospects of the party being central to the formation of the next government. The results certainly sent real shockwaves through the political establishment.
As a community and trade union activist, my concern is that Sinn Fein maintains a focus on building the wider participation and engagement necessary to create a radically alternative political reality that serves all of our people.
Gerry Adams in his oration at the Wolfe Tone Commemoration in June declared: “We are about creating a
New Republic, with new politics and a new way of doing things that puts fairness and equality at the heart of how this country is governed.”
In the struggle to achieve this ambitious and worthwhile objective, electoral activity is only one element. It is necessary to engage with and mobilise a wide range of interests, including civil society organisations, single focus groups and social issue campaigns so as to construct a broad popular movement capable of enforcing a fundamental shift in the way this country is governed and enhancing the prospect of real unity across the island.
As presently constituted, the Irish state is incapable of change. This is evidenced by the continuing litany of acute social issues covered up and unresolved, and in the way the severe economic collapse was foisted on the most vulnerable in society and the poorest people were punished by the imposition of austerity.
The governing elite – the wealthy, the professionals, the senior civil servants and their political representatives – remain in power despite the destruction wrought by them, their associates and their policies.
A whole new political dispensation is required that is much more than the revolving of government between political parties. In this context Sinn Fein has much to offer.
Given Sinn Fein’s experience and evolution over the past three decades, it has very different perspectives on fundamental values such as justice, equality, participation and rights.
In a more immediate way it has been involved in an alternative form of goveming in the North; it is dealing with legacy issues arising from conflict that can inform a wider policy and has an international reputation and connections unlike any other political party on this island.
It is an outsider to the cosy political apparatus that has governed since the foundation of the state. This offers a positive agent for change.
Undoubtedly, the attraction will be to concentrate on consolidating the electoral victory and preparing for the next general election
Given Sinn Fein’s experience and evolution over the past three decades, it has very different perspectives on fundamental values such as justice, equality, participation and rights
with the prospect of entering government; however, in the longer term, it would be preferable to build a real alternative capable of realising the vision set out at Bodenstown. This requires a more sophisticated approach which must also complement the electoral dynamic.
In effect this will involve the party members, the elected representatives and the leadership reaching out to, participating with and helping to shape and influence campaigns mounted by and involving civic society organisations, including trade unions, NGOs, community and voluntary sector entities and campaigning movements involved in working for rights around disability, equality, language, gender, minorities and the broad spectrum of campaigning issues.
In other words, to engage not as a passive recipient of people’s issues or as a route to build the party as other political parties do, but through genuine participation bringing the function and role of the party to the centre of
the diverse range of current struggles aimed at securing justice and realising rights.
It is necessary to construct a broad popular movement capable of enforcing a fundamental shift in the way this country is governed and enhancing the prospect of real unity across the island
Implementing this approach involves a two way process, entailing increased demands on party members to become active in relevant organisations and a willing ness on the part of the wide range of activists who comprise campaigning organisations and movements to work with Sinn Fein as an integral part of achieving real change.
It is the effective integration between political activities and popular movements that will greatly enhance the capacity of Sinn Fein to offer a real alternative for government, not relying on deals with other parties but presenting a powerful, and collective manifesto for change that can help to achieve the vision of a New Republic, a New Ireland.
DAVID CONNOLLY IS WRITING HERE IN A PERSONAL CAPACITY
What would a Sinn Féin led Government Do?-Paddy Healy
Would Withdrawal from the Fiscal Treaty be a Red Line Issue?
Sinn Féin regards the Fiscal Treaty as a fundamental renunciation of the Sovereignty of the Irish People.
In Dáil Éireann (Irish Parliament) during the debate on the EU Fiscal Compact ( Treaty) on April 20,2012, the Sinn Féin spokesperson, Caoimhín Ó Caoláin said : “ On Easter Sunday the Taoiseach and other Cabinet Ministers, as well as Oireachtas Members, myself included, stood outside the GPO and listened to the words of the Proclamation. As I speak on the austerity treaty today, I wonder did the Cabinet Ministers hear the same words that I heard: “We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible.” The Cabinet that stood to hear those words now asks us to put before the people for approval a treaty (The Fiscal Compact) that flies in the face of the 1916 Proclamation. It is a treaty that seeks to negate the right of the Irish people to the ownership of Ireland. It is a treaty that would surrender control of Irish destinies and fetter this and future elected governments, tying them to the failed economics of austerity. The people would have expected such a surrender from the last Government.”
On RTE on July 18,2014, Pádraig Mac Lochlann TD (Sinn Féin, Donegal North East) said that his preference would be for a government of Sinn Féin, the Labour Party and Left wing TDS. He did not rule out a coalition government with traditional capitalist parties, a position which is in line with recent statements of the leader and deputy leader of Sinn Féin. However his emphasis was distinctly different.
Some weeks ago, Cllr Eoin Ó Broin, who has huge electoral support in the Dublin working class suburb of Clondalkin, opposed SF entering coalition government as a minority partner with Fianna Fail and/or Fine Gael. Clearly, the question of entering a coalition government is now a burning issue in Sinn Féin. This is to be expected as there is a strong possibility that Sinn Féin will be the biggest single party in the Dublin parliament after the next election.
I have dealt with the general issue of coalition in an earlier document. (see below)
Perhaps the most worrying aspect of recent statements by Sinn Féin leaders is the common statement that the abolition of the local property tax would be a red line issue or precondition for participation in a coalition government. Attempts by media interviewers to get the leaders to set out other red line issues failed. For example, all refused to say whether the abolition of the new water charges would be a red line issue. The implication is that abolition of property tax is the only red line issue for the Sinn Féin leaders. Revenue from property tax can easily be replaced by an equally regressive austerity measure.
In fact the tasks to be faced by any government committed to act in the interests of the majority of the Irish people will be massive. I discuss these below. In that context, it may be useful to discuss what the programme of a Sinn Féin-Labour Party-Left government would or should be. It is important to recognise that the degree of economic and political sovereignty of the Irish people is now less than at any time since before the Land Acts of the late 1800s. The Dublin Government has borrowed massively abroad to bail out the large (but not the small) investors in Irish banks. It has also borrowed massively to pay for public services, however reduced, rather than tax the incomes and/or assets of the very rich.
One outcome of this is the payment of in excess of 8 billion per year in debt servicing charges to big international investors by the exchequer alone. The political representatives of these investors, the EU powers and the US Government, have effectively total control of the current Dublin government as it had of its predecessor. A heavily indebted capitalist government can only survive by borrowing and this gives the lenders total political control. Because loans to government mature regularly and must be repaid on time, governments must regularly “roll-over” or replace loans even if it does not need to increase total borrowing.
In addition, through sales of loan books by the National Asset Management Agency (NAMA), IBRC and other Irish banks to international vulture capitalists, many more homes, shopping centres, businesses and even farms are now owned abroad than was the case before the crash. When debt servicing costs by government, banks, householders, private businesses etc are added together, the magnitude of the outflow of value from Ireland is probably unprecedented since before the time of Michael Davitt and the land league. Total external debt, private and public, was over ten times the size of Irish GDP(over 1000% of GDP !!), one of the highest in the world even before the current fire-sales of assets began. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt
Successive governments have pursued a policy which has made the provision of extra jobs almost solely dependent on multi-national companies when there is not a construction bubble in existence. The recent successful demand by Bausch and Lomb in Waterford for pay cuts raises issues of national sovereignty as well as trade union issues. Now the Irish Government is coming under severe international pressure to change aspects of its low corporation tax regime which is central to its job creation policy.Ultimately the EU and the US will decide what corporate tax regime Ireland is allowed to have. In summary, successive governments have put the provision of existing and future Irish jobs in the hands of other countries.
The Fiscal Compact requires that the current deficit be reduced below 3% of GDP by end of 2015, that the “structural deficit” be eliminated by 2018 and that the public debt to GDP ratio be reduced to 60% over 20 years. Despite the physical exit of the Troika from Dublin , the government is treaty bound to further reduce the current budget deficit in 2015 to reduce the deficit from 4.8% to 3% of GDP. There has been no recovery of national sovereignty.
The current budget deficit of Germany has been below 3% for a number of years. ” But although the German public deficit stayed within the EU limit of 3 percent of GDP for the third year in a row in 2013, it came down from a budget surplus of 0.1 percent in 2012.” http://www.dw.de/german-economic-growth-flat-in-2013-but-deficit-under-control/a-17362284
The EU has now quantified the budgetary position which would be required to eliminate the Irish “structural deficit” in order to comply with the Fiscal Treaty. (EU Report on Ireland, March 2014) The over-all deficit needs to be converted from -4.8 % of GDP in 2014 to +4.9% in 2018. Based on a GDP of 148 billion Euro in 2012, this requires a further 14 billion in cuts and tax rises unless there is significant economic growth. Growth in GDP in 2013 was +0.2% , which means total stagnation as 0.2% is less than the probable error in the estimate.
Germany has no structural deficit. http://ec.europa.eu/europe2020/pdf/nd/sp2013_germany_en.pdf
Under the Fiscal Treaty Irish government debt must be reduced (not rolled over) from 102% of GDP now to 60% of GDP over the next 20 years. This requires further significant expenditure cuts and tax rises into the distant future. German national debt to GDP ratio at 57% is already below the 60% figure in the Treaty as can be seen at this link . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt
Fire-sales of assets by the current government may provide it with some short term relief of pressure but only at the cost of increasing debt and austerity above what it otherwise would be in the longer term. In summary, a Sinn Féin –Left Government, would be faced with a very difficult situation, to put it mildly. The extraction of a few hundred million in wealth tax from millionaires, however welcome, would merely scratch the surface of the problem.
In summary, a government cannot act in the interests of the Irish people while implementing the Fiscal Treaty. This Treaty, while its provisions are formally the same for all countries covered, is grossly discriminatory against the programme countries in general and against Ireland in particular. Germany is a net creditor country while Ireland and other programme countries are large net debtors. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_international_investment_position
In summary Fine Gael, Labour and Fianna Fáil supported a grossly unequal Treaty which had no effect on the German budgetary or state debt position but which crucified the Irish people under every heading!!!
Would Sinn Féin in Government implement the Fiscal Treaty? To do so would be to continue the undermining of Irish Sovereignty and to continue austerity policies with inevitable failure to tackle unemployment. It would be to continue doing what Caoimhín Ó Caolaáin TD (SF) accused the current government of doing in his Dáil speech!!!! Refusal to implement the Fiscal Treaty should be the real red line issue for any left government!
What Would Fianna Fáil Do if Elected?
It may be useful to discuss what a Fianna Fáil government if elected would do in the context of these constraints. Fianna Fail, with the exception of Eamonn Ó Caoimh TD, supported the Fiscal Treaty and can be expected to implement it. But they will need a political cover. It is inevitable that Fianna Fáil would say that the current government left a complete mess. The “recovery” was a complete fake. Fine Gael and Labour are to blame. Further austerity is necessary to bring about a real recovery!
What Would Sinn Féin Do if Elected??? (To Be continued) (In the document below I say:For my part, I would ,of course, insist that socialists and republicans should not be in any government which includes Fianna Fail and/or Fine Gael even as minority parties. They would veto any real change even from a minority position.) ( Continued higher up here)
The Exciting Possibility of A LEFT GOVERNMENT by Jack O’Connor, General President SIPTU
OVER the last two elections, upwards of 40% of the electorate, twice as many as previously, opted for ‘Left’ platforms. This raises the exciting possibility of a Left of centre government. However, the scale of the challenge should not be underestimated.
Even on the basis of the most recent polls, the parties of the Centre-Right would still easily command an absolute majority of seats in the Oireachtas. Moreover, if the turnout in the next general election replicates that of 2011, there will be 14 votes cast for every 10 in the locals. All the polls show the “don’t knows” running in the order of 30%. These are the people who will tip the balance.
The next election will not be a plebiscite on austerity but rather a search for solutions. If the Left is to seriously contest to win, it must offer a sustainable economic and social strategy, in the context of globalisation, also taking account of the debt reduction rule of the Fiscal Treaty.
The vitriolically superficial character of our public exchanges should end at once. Labour people should acknowledge that, despite legitimate criticisms, the current leadership of Sinn Fein has returned its party to the Left republican course which reflects the outlook of the Democratic Programme of 1919, the 1916 Proclamation and the egalitarian values which extend back through the Fenians and Wolfe Tone to the French Revolution.
Moreover, we should also acknowledge the success of that approach in the Peace Process which now offers the realistic possibility of the reunification of Ireland through consent.
Sinn Fein and people on the non-sectarian Left should acknowledge that, far from selling out and notwithstanding equally legitimate criticisms, Labour in Government has prevented public spending cuts which would have extended to between a further €1.Sbillion to €2billion. This would have entailed slashing the basic rates of social welfare and outsourcing of public provision on an industrial scale, resulting inthe ‘Greyhoundisation’ of thousands of jobs.
They should also acknowledge Labour’s role in improving collective bargaining rights and defending the legal infrastructure which protects the pay and terms of employment of more than 200,000 lower-paid workers as well as preventing the wholesale divestiture of public assets at bargain basement prices. All of us should also recognise the critically important role of ”Left Independents” in pursuit of democratic accountability and defending communities. However, they in turn should accept that the attainment of a left of centre government would offer the prospect of much greater progress towards a prosperous, egalitarian society.
Realistically, a Government of the Left would not unilaterally “burn the bondholders” or repudiate the Fiscal Treaty either, given the danger that such a route could become a one-way ticket to the Stone Age. However, they could shift the tax/cuts burden by €lbillion to €1.5 billion incrementally, from those least able to those most able to shoulder it, in the manner outlined by the Nevin Institute. This would allow for the abolition of both the Property Tax and the Water Charges, which undoubtedly would be popular but hardly progressive.
Deployment of these new resources on building a decent health service, universally available to all, free at the point of use, ending the housing crisis, improving education and public provision otherwise, or making gradual progress on all three simultaneously would be far better.
That would actually constitute a real egalitarian agenda.
Of course, some steps could be taken to rebalance the Property Tax further, thus rendering it fairer, and to introduce a system of water credits to ensure that everyone had an adequate free supply to meet their basic household needs.
The real challenge for the Left, though, is on the generation of wealth as distinct from the distribution of it.
We must counter the inevitable cuts, public asset divestment and tax competition approach of the Centre Right with a ‘New
Economic Policy’, constructed around public enterprise, strategic investment and skills development.
This in turn should be complemented by a sophisticated electoral alliance that is not simply about Labour and others
on the Left serving as transfer fodder for Sinn Fein but which is designed to maximise seat gain to offer the electorate the prospect of a cohesive, stable alternative Government.
At the end of the day, the real battle between Right and Left is as it always was – low tax, private affluence and public squalor on the one hand versus social solidarity, through sustainable public provision, underpinned by fair taxation, high productivity and a prosperous economy on the other.
BEYOND THE POLITICS OF ANTI-AUSTERITY, By Jimmy Kelly General Secretary og Irish Region, UNITE THE UNION
FOLLOWING the recent elections, progressives have still not grabbed the opportunity to drive a new agenda. The Right and employers still dominate the narrative, from taxation to banking policy to economic growth. This challenges all who share progressive values to coalesce and offer a political alternative to the two conservative parties.
But providing a clear economic and social alternative means moving beyond the politics of anti-austerity. This will require honest debate and a radical vision. Challenging the orthodoxy is never easy; it will be even more difficult when the dominant commentary would have us believe that the economy is not only recovering but actually roaring back .That this refrain was rejected by hundreds of thousands in the last election will be of little benefit if we can’ t, together, advance an alternative vision.
We need to identify several policies to promote long-term, sustainable growth capable of creating full employment with living wages. Most importantly, the driving force behind economic prosperity is the level of investment in the economy – public and infrastructural investment, business investment and investment in people’s skill, education and access to the labour market. In all these, Ireland performs poorly. This is not just a result of the recession but something that was apparent before and covered over by the property bubble.
Despite the propaganda, Ireland would have to double its level of investment just to reach the European average.
The deficits are everywhere – from the massive social housing waiting lists, to a creaking water and waste system, to an underdeveloped telecommunications nd energy infrastructure.
In particular, the social housing crisis – with 90,000 on the waiting lists and growing – needs to be urgently addressed. Permanent stable housing is a fundamental social right. To increase social housing would not only vindicate this right, it would drive employment in the badly-hit construction sector.
We also need to address the historically low level of business investment in Ireland. We have the perverse situation where we have one of the highest levels of corporate profit, an ultra-low corporate tax rate but one of the lowest levels of corporate investment. With our corporate model coming under increasing international scrutiny, we need a new approach to building a sustainable market economy and export sector.
We need a revolution in education and family support policies. Increasing investment in education (especially early education) is the one of the best ways to promote future growth. We need a rational, efficient and free public education system at all levels. And we need policies that help families as they attempt to balance work and home life – in particular, a strong public sector childcare network at affordable fees.
Investing in children, families and people’s skills and life opportunities is not a cost – it is the recipe for growth.
We must also accept that our indigenous sector is currently incapable of delivering full employment. We would have to double our manufacturing employment in indigenous companies just to reach the average of other small open European economies. Throwing around money and subsidies will not address this problem (that’s what we have been doing for decades). We need new planning mechanisms and the full participation of all stakeholders – that is, workers – to create a dynamic native business sector.
A successful economy will be wage-led. Unite was involved with other groups in the Living Wage Technical Group which calculated the Living Wage to be €11.45. We estimate that over 300,000 workers earn below this hourly level. And this dcesn’ t count those workers with children (who require a higher wage or public services) or those workers stuck in precarious work, unable to find fulltime, stable employment.
We need strategies to strengthen labour in the workplace: an increased minimum wage, a more robust Joint Labour Committee system, real collective bargaining rights, and the right of part-time workers to extra hours in the workplace as per an EU Directive that succesive governments have failed to implement We also need a strong social wage if we want good public services, income supports and pensions.
Irish living standards are well below the EU 15 average while deprivation – which affects more than one million people (of whom a quarter are actually in work) – is growing. A
strong social wage would mean substantially increasing employers’ PRSI (social insurance) payments. We cannot tolerate a situation where workers have to pay for their own services out of wages which are below those of other countries.
Such a new social compact can only be driven forward by a coalition of progressives based on shared values, a common analysis and determination to ensure that – when the recovery does happen – it is a recovery for people.
Comment By Rory Hearne on article below on Facebook
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It highlights the need for a political alliance/organisation on the left that makes the case that significant change will only come when working unemployment & marginalised people engage in struggle – themselves & would only partake in a left led gov that would supprt radical transformation – A New Republic -Sinn Fein will come under massive pressure to be responsible & limit their radical policies. Where is the increse on taxes on multinationals or ending ppps & privatisation & expanding public & community & cooperative services. The left still has a way to go to build a popular base in struggle & electoral support – jumping into a market constrained gov would be a disaster |
Earlier article Sinn Féin and Participation in Coalition with Traditional Capitalist Parties Cllr Eoin Ó Broin, Sinn Fein, has ignited a discussion on the attitude of the leadership of Sinn Féin to coalition with Irish traditional capitalist parties. He has enunciated a position of opposition to participation in any coalition government LED by these parties (Fianna Fail and Fine Gael). This is markedly different from the position of the leader and deputy leader of Sinn Féin who have not ruled out such participation. THE CONTEXT OF THE DISCUSSION I believe that WBS (administrator of the Left Wing Blog:Cedar Lounge Revolution) is correct when he says:” It(Fianna Fail-the main party of Government since 1932) is now in deep trouble because it is outflanked on its Republican side by Sinn Féin. And on its centre left side by… Sinn Féin. On its right side Fine Gael(current majority party in Government) offers an alternative, and an alternative that despite its not great poll position has at least the single great virtue of being in government and likely to remain there after the next election.” For my part,I believe that the European election outcome is the best estimate of the support for parties. European Election % May 23 FF 22.3 FG 22.3 SF 19.5 Lab 5.3 Others 30.6 FF benefitted from traditional loyalties to local FF families in the local elections and to some extent by the return of conservative voters who had defected to Fine Gael in the 2011 General Election. Indeed the FF figure in the European elections is inflated by the unusual personal vote of Brian Crowley in Ireland South. (Crowley has now defied the FF leadership and defected to the group which includes the British Tories in the EU Parliament-an indication of the deep crisis in Fianna Fáil) I would go further than WBS. FF cannot recover unless and until Sinn Féin is fatally damaged. FF previously recovered in the fifties after former IRA leader Seán McBride , leader of Clann na Poblachta, entered coalition with Fine Gael. Could it happen again by Sinn Féin entering coalition? The report of an interview with Mary Lou McDonald in the Sunday Times last Sunday (carried below) is deeply disturbing. Though Fine Gael support is diminishing, it is a much more stable political and social formation than Fianna Fáil being deeply rooted in the old Irish propertied and self-employed professional classes. I believe that the real Irish decision makers will prevent a coalition of FF and FG coming to power except as a very last resort. The separate options of governments anchored by FF and FG has been a key factor in maintaining the relative stability of the Free State for decades. A coalition of FF and FG would lead to the rapid disintegration of FF in the context of implementing the Fiscal Treaty. Additionally, the trade union leaders despite their best efforts to protect such a government would be unable to keep workers in check. I believe that the Irish elite will opt for a Fine Gael/Sinn Fein Government. When this becomes very unpopular, Fianna Fail would be available as the anchor of an alternative government. It is the task of socialists and genuine republicans to prevent this elite strategy achieving success. Sinn Féin Leaders on Coalition The position of Cllr Eoin Ó Broin (carried below) is a very different position to that put forward by Sinn Fein President, Gerry Adams, and Deputy Leader, Mary Lou McDonald (both carried below) and I welcome it as an important step. In the recent local elections, Eoin O Broin headed the poll in the heavily working class South Dublin ward of Clondalkin. The second person elected was also a Sinn Fein candidate. He is virtually certain to be elected to the Dáil in the next general election. For my part, I would ,of course, insist that socialists and republicans should not be in any government which includes Fianna Fail and/or Fine Gael even as minority parties. They would veto any real change even from a minority position. In this they would be supported by the entire ruling elite and its international allies (remember the Allende Government in Chile). Eoin only rules out Sinn Fein being in a Fine Gael or Fianna Fail LED government. However his position is, indeed, an important step. It ignites a real discussion on the way forward. Councillor Eoin Ó Broin on his Blog 02/07/14 After The Election http://eoinobroin.wordpress.com/2014/07/01/after-the-election/ Posted: July 1, 2014 in Elections, Sinn Féin Tags: Elections Sinn Féin had a good election. We consolidated our position in the North and significantly increased our strength in the South. We are now well placed to make significant gains in the next Dáil election. As we face into that electoral contest two questions will loom large. Voters and the media will want to know who we would enter government with and what economic policies will form the core of our campaign. In the 2007 election we fudged the first question and back-peddled on the second. The electorate punished us for both mistakes. In 2011 we set out a real alternative to the austerity consensus and pledged not to enter coalition with Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael. The electorate rewarded us with an extra 10 seats. Of course there was a lot more to these elections than just that – but a central part of the outcome of both contests was our answer to those two key questions. The reason is simple. In Dáil elections most voters are thinking about who they want and who they don’t want in government. They make strategic calculations based on what they think is actually possible. Until recently a government led by any party other than Fianna Fail or Fine Gael was not available, no matter how much some of us may have wished for it. This is changing. The combined support for the two centre right parties is falling. A growing number of people –as indicated in the left of centre vote in 2011 and 2014- want something different. The electorate are realising that a better fairer southern Ireland requires an end to the dominance of Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael. Whether there will be enough of us to end that dominance by the next general election is not yet clear. In large part that will be determined by how we fight the campaign and whether we can convince enough of those people yearning for real change that Sinn Féin is the party that can deliver. We need to come our early and set out our stall clearly. Sinn Féin should loudly declare that we will not participate in a Fianna Fail or Fine Gael led government after the next general election. We want to be in government – but not at any price. We want to be in power to deliver deep and long lasting social, economic and political change. That can-not be achieved in a government where the majority voice is either of the centre right parties. So we should tell the electorate that if they want real change they need a government led by Sinn Féin. If the post elections numbers don’t allow this people need to know that we won’t go back on our word, but will continue to build popular support for a real alternative from the opposition benches. We also need to set out our key political commitments – the red line issues that must form the basis of Sinn Féin participation in any government. We should produce a short pre-election manifesto outlining our key priorities on job creation, tax reform, public spending and political reform. It should be radical, credible and costed. We should print a million copies in pocket book format and go door to door from October. Our aim should be to convince as many people as possible of the merits of our left republican alternative before the election is even called. The next Dáil election has the potential to be a game changer. But that requires us to play a different type of game to 2007 and 2011. If we are serious about the kind of Ireland we want to help create then we need to rise to the challenge. People are hungry for change but they are distrustful of politicians. We have to convince them that Sinn Féin is different – that we mean what we say and will only take office if it means wielding real power to create a better and more equal Ireland
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Deputy Mary Lou McDonald, Deputy Leader of Sinn Fein, in Sunday Times Sinn Fein: Tax Ideals Up For Negotiation McDonald says pledge could be sacrificed to form government, writes Stephen O’Brien Sunday Times 29/06/14 MARY LOU McDONALD has admitted Sinn Fein’s promises of a 1% wealth tax on assets over €lm and a48% tax rate for high earners – those paid over €100,000 -could be sacrificed in negotiations to agree a Programme for Government. The deputy leader of Sinn Fein has revealed her party’s commitment to abolish the property tax will be the only red line in any talks with other parties about formation of a government after the next general election. “We don’t believe it to be intrinsically a left-wing virtue to tax the family home. The notion is that you tax income, certainly, and that you tax wealth to create a fairer distribution,” she said. McDonald admitted the yield from the party’s proposed wealth tax would not be fully costed by the Department of Finance this year, because the Central Statistics Office would not have gathered all the data necessary to measure the likely yield until mid-2015. In 2012, the Irish Congress of Trade Unions estimated that a wealth tax of 1% on assets over €2m could yield €60-€80m a year. Sinn Fein is estimating that its wealth tax – 1% on assets over €lm – could bring in up to 0.5% of GDP or €800m in a full tax year. McDonald said the party would submit all of its budget proposals to the Department of Finance for costing “as a whole”, but it would propose setting aside the yield from a wealth tax for a job stimulus fund. This would mean if Sinn Fein’s estimate of revenue proved to be too high, this would not have an impact on its calculations of the budget deficit. Labour, the Socialist party and People Before Profit would be her preference as coalition partners for Sinn Fein in government. McDonald, the favourite to succeed Gerry Adams as party leader, said she would be more comfortable in government with “the party of Connolly” and other leftleaning groups and independents than with either Hanna Fail or Fine Gael. “The dynamic of Irish politics now is different than it was five or 10 years ago. We are in a state of flux, which makes it interesting,” said McDonald. “If the numbers stack up and if the people wish it to be so, of course you could have a leftleaning government. I would have a preference for that, for the simple reason it allows you a lot more political scope to deliver change. It is not that evry party or candidate of the left . . . shares every single policy and detail in common, there is a common dynamic and I think the dynamic is important alongside the policy position.” However, McDonald did not rule out the prospect of coalition with either Fianna Fail or Fine Gael, though she agreed a Fine Gael/Sinn Fein alliance seemed “incompatible” and the least likely outcome “given their background, their past”. She said Sinn Fein would not rush into government just for the sake of being there. Asked if her preferred coalition option was a hint that she feels Labour will do better than expected at the next election, McDonald said: “No, I think the Labour party is in big, big trouble, worse than that suggested by opinion poll figures or election results. “It is almost an existential crisis for the Labour party. Who are they, what do they represent, why are they in government? “I don’t have a crystal ball, but I would like to think the party of James Connolly and that tradition in Irish political life would find its feet again, and I think the correct collaborators or allies for [that] party are people on the left and the likes of Sinn Fein. “I am always baffled at senior Labour party people going off on a bizarre tangent of feeling that their role in life is to, savage or to stop Sinn Fein … very, very odd. You hear it even from the two candidates for leadership, Alex White and Joan Burton.” In a RedC poll published today, the first since the local elections last May, the Labour party’s support was measured at 7%, down four points on the previous poll and tracking its performance in May. McDonald declined to state what number of seats Sinn Fein would need to win in order to consider entering government, but did say having 30 TDs would put it “in the mix” in terms of considering the options. Property tax removal a condition for coalition, says Adams Harry McGee Irish Times Last Updated: Monday, June 23, 2014, 10:46 Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams has confirmed that reversing the property tax will be a bottom-line issue for the party to enter a coalition government. However, he refused to say if a 48 per cent rate of tax for those earning €100,000 or more would be a deal-breaker. Over the weekend Mr Adams told a Sinn Féin meeting the party needs to begin preparing for government and getting its policy priorities right. Outlining the party’s strategy, he told RTE this morning this will mean developing and working out where best it can stand in preparing candidates and also changing mindsets. “We want to be in government and we want to be ambitious for change,” he said. He said Sinn Féin would not go into government like Labour did and provide a cover for conservative parties. “Let’s get ready to be in government and let’s work out the terms.” When pressed on specific non-negotiable issues for Sinn Féin, Mr Adams agreed it would insist on property tax being scrapped. But in response to persistent questioning on Morning Ireland, Mr Adams would not give the same commitment for the top rate of tax for those earning over €100,000. “We are putting people on alert that we need to be ready for government. This will all be prepared in the upcoming period,” he said. Mr Adams emphasised the biggest difference between Sinn Féin and other parties was its emphasis on core republican values, and the entitlements of citizens to a job, a clean environment and other rights. “We want to see a strategy for Irish unity,” he said, saying Sinn Féin wanted a democratic way of bringing it about with unionists.Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams has confirmed that reversing the property tax will be a bottom-line issue for the party to enter government. However, he refused to say if a 48 per cent rate of tax for those earning €100,000 or more would be a deal-breaker. Over the weekend Mr Adams told a Sinn Féin meeting the party needs to begin preparing for government, getting its policy priorities right. Outlining the party’s strategy, he told RTÉ radio this morning that it will mean getting policy priorities right, developing and working out where best it can stand in preparing candidates and also changing mindsets. “We want to be in government and we want to be ambitious for change,” he said. He said Sinn Féin would not go into government like Labour did and provide a cover for conservative parties. “Let’s get ready to be in government and let’s work out the terms.” When pressed on specific non-negotiable issues for Sinn Féin, Mr Adams agreed it would insist on property tax being scrapped. But in response to persistent questioning on Morning Ireland, Mr Adams would not give the same commitment for the top rate of tax for those earning over €100,000. “We are putting people on alert that we need to be ready for government. This will all be prepared in the upcoming period,” he said. Mr Adams emphasised the biggest difference between Sinn Féin and other parties was its emphasis on core republican values, and the entitlements of citizens to a job, a clean environment and other rights. “We want to see a strategy for Irish unity,” he said, saying Sinn Féin wanted a democratic way of bringing it about with unionists. © 2014 irishtimes.com
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HOPE FOR CHANGE IN TRADE UNION MOVEMENT
The First Genuine sign of hope in the workers movement for years was the huge participation IN THE NURSES MARCH LAST SATURDAY including the participation of some trade unions
The Two Biggest Trade Unions , SIPTU and FÓRSA , WERE ABSENT
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AT LEAST 40,000 Marched On the Nurses Demonstration .
Trade Unions Who Marched With The Nurses:
MANDATE, ASTI, CWU, OPATSI(Plasterers), UNITE The Union, Northern Ireland Public Services Association(NIPSA Belfast Branch), Dublin Trades Council, Waterford Trades Council, Dublin Colleges Branch TUI (But not TUI Executive) , TUI Grassroots (Rank and File Organisation), INTO Dublin District (But not INTO Executive). There was also a contingent from the Financial Services Union (FSU-old Bank Officials Association).
But we must not get over hopeful. Very much remains to be done.
Not alone did the two biggest trade unions fail to take part, Siptu which has 5000 nursing members, is not honouring the INMO pickets . The head of SIPTU Health Division publicly criticised the strike in advance-a godsend to government. Fórsa (Merger of IMPACT, PSEU,CPSU) issued a statement saying that it would insist that any concession to the nurses would go to its members. This was the false rational being used by government to reject the nurses claims. If FORSA genuinely wanted to get pay increases for its members, it would at worst have remained silent until the nurses won. Its statement militated against both the nurses and its own members getting pay increases ! Like SiPTU it was directly collaborating with Government against the nurses. This is the sort of Corporatist trade unionism which was favoured by Mussolini
It gives me no pleasure to say these things. My father was one of the founders of the Health Division of ITGWU through the mental hospitals, my brother was chair of the Health Executive of IMPACT before he became a TD. I have been elected President of TUI and I was very dissappointed that TUI NEC refused to march. However the trade unions which did take part in the nurses march give a sign of hope. But there is a long way to go!
—————————————————————————————————————————————AT LEAST 40,000 Marched On the Nurses Demonstration . The March Was Led By Irish Nurses and Mid-Wives Organisation and The Psychiatric Nurses Organisation
Other Trade Unions Who Supported The Nurses March TO-Day And Trade Unions Which Were Absent https://wp.me/pKzXa-ls
The Two Biggest Trade Unions , SIPTU and FÓRSA , WERE ABSENT Fom Nurses March
Trade Unions Who Marched With The Nurses:
MANDATE, ASTI, CWU, OPATSI(Plasterers), UNITE, Financial Services Union, Northern Ireland Public Services Association(NIPSA Belfast Branch), Dublin Trades Council, Waterford Trades Council, Dublin Colleges Branch TUI (But not TUI Executive) , TUI Grassroots (Rank and File Organisation), INTO Dublin District (But not INTO Executive)
—————————————————————————————Tell Ministers Finian McGrath and John Halligan To Force Varadkar to meet the Nurses’ Just Claim. Lobby Them To-day!! https://wp.me/pKzXa-ls
Minister Finian McGrath Constituency Office: (01) 851 1530
Dáil Office: (01) 618 3031 finian.mcgrath@oireachtas.ie
Minister John Halligan Constituency Office (051) 871 735
Dáil Office (01) 618 3498 halligan@oireachtas.ie
ICTU MUST INSIST: NO PENALTIES AGAINST NURSES OR OTHER PUBLIC SERVANTS FOR STRIKING. ANTI-UNION LAWS MUS BE REPEALED
ICTU, LED BY SIPTU AND FORSA, MUST OBEY INMO RESOLUTION Unanimously PASSED AT ICTU Biennial Delegate Congress 2013 https://wp.me/pKzXa-ls
ICTU CONFERENCE UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED EMERGENCY MOTION ON THE FISCAL EMERGENCY MEASURES IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST LEGISLATION at its meeting in Belfast in June 2013:The following motion, sponsored by the INMO, Civil and Public Services Union (CPSU), UNITE and the Irish Bank Officials Association (IBOA) was unanimously adopted by the ICTU Biennial Delegate Conference:
“ Conference, noting:
- that the Fiscal Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Act undermines the principle of collective bargaining in the public sector and concerned that this may set a precedent for the private sector;
- that the legislation provides extraordinary powers to government Ministers to unilaterally vary terms and conditions of employment;
- that there is no specified end period for this “emergency” legislation; and
- that this anti trade union legislation has been introduced in the centenary of the 1913 lockout;
calls on the incoming Executive to mount a vigorous, and robust, campaign against this legislation with the goal of seeing it repealed.”
It should be noted that SIPTU, IMPACT, PSEU and the teachers unions voted for this resolution after they had used the Act to force members to accept the Haddington Rd Agreement under which conditions of employment and pensions were significantly worsened. Nothing whatever has been done to implement the resolution in the year since it was passed-surprise! surprise!
The unions proposing the motion were only too correct when they included in the motion the fact that they were “concerned that this may set a precedent for the private sector”. Indeed in its recommendation to members to reject Croke Park 2, the TEEU rightly gave as one of the reasons that the cuts would knock-on to the private sector.
Support Mandate Strikers at Tesco
Resist Attack By Employers on Workers’Conditions
If Tesco WINS THIS DISPUTE THE CONDITIONS OF WORKERS EVERYWHERE WILL BE IN DANGER
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Support Bus Éireann Workers
DEFEAT THE EMPLOYER AND GOVERNMENT OFFENSIVE!
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Bus Workers Victory Heaps Pressure on Union Leaders Who Capitulated to Continued Pay Cuts and FEMPI ANTI_TRADE UNION LAW in Public Service
Lower-paid civil servants seek speeding up of pay restoration-Irish Times
The outcome of the Luas and Dublin Bus pay disputes “needs to be reflected within the public service”-CPSU
Martin Wall Irish Times, October 1, 2016, 01:00
Lower -paid civil servants are seeking the Government to speed up the pace of pay restoration.Their trade union also said the outcome of the Luas and Dublin Bus pay disputes, which resulted in pay increases, “needed to be reflected within the public service”.It also warned that tolerance of additional unpaid hours which public servants were obliged to work was “running out fast”.
The Civil Public and Services Union (CPSU)wants the €1,000 payment due from September next year brought forward to January.
The union, which has members working in clerical roles alongside gardaí in An Garda Síochána, said it would be watching developments carefully in the campaign by gardaí for improved pay and conditions.
Meanwhile Siptu president Jack O’Connor has said additional money that public service staff would be envisaged to receive under a successor to the Lansdowne Road accord after 2018 should be paid earlier.
He also urged the Government to bring forward the date for paying the second tranche of increases under the existing Lansdowne Road deal, which is currently scheduled to be paid in autumn next year.
Yesterday Minister for Public Expenditure Paschal Donohoe said the Government was worried about the possible “domino effect” of the planned Garda strikes.
Mr Donohoe said that any solution to public sector strikes must be through the Lansdowne Road Agreement.
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GARDA DISPUTE: McGrath and Halligan Support Lansdowne Rd and Anti-Trade Union FEMPI Acts
Independent Minister Finian McGrath told The Irish Times the Independent Alliance were “100 per cent on board” for insisting on maintaining the Lansdowne Road Agreement.
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Support the Bus Workers -For A Day of Solidarity Action!
The five trade unions representing workers at Dublin Bus have organised a solidarity march on Tuesday next, September 27, 12 Noon, Dublin City Centre
National Bus and Rail Workers Union (NBRU) has challenged Ross’s INDEPENDENT ALLIANCE COllEAGUES including ministers Halligan and McGrath“to respond the question which is, do they support the minister on his handling of the crisis which is unfolding in Bus Eireann”
Transport Minister Shane Ross is set to come under pressure from his Independent Alliance colleagues this week after junior minister John Halligan backed bus eireann workers against planned pay cuts-Sunday Times Justine McCarthy 25/09/2016
But where is Finian McGrath Hiding?
Bus Eireann told the Workplace Relations Commission recently that it wished to hive off the Expressway service to the provincial regions to a low paying subsidiary company
Under its plan to achieve €7m savings, the company wants to reduce the number of full-time positions at Expressway from 550 to between 400 and 450. Compulsory redundancies have not been ruled out.
Currently, Expressway employees enjoy the same terms and conditions as workers in the company’s public service obligation routes, and are full-time staff.
Some private operators, in contrast, do not have full-time staff, and pay daily and hourly rates, while some do not pay pensions.
BUT THE VERY PROFITABLE BUS EIREANN DUBLIN COMMUTER ROUTES ARE TO BE PRIVATISED
Bus Éireann routes to be privatised in 2016 by the National Transport Authority
120 Dublin–Edenderry–Tullamore
123 Dublin–Naas
124 Dublin–Naas–Portlaoise
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130 Dublin–Naas–Athy
Tenders also been sought for six Waterford routes currently operated by Bus Eireann.
It is Clear that All Bus Eireann Routes are To be Made Profitable through Low Pay and then sold off!!
Extracts from Sunday Times Article
Bus Eireann told the Workplace Relations Commision on Wednesday that it wants to cut pay, consider the option of redundancies and to restructure its Expressway service which is losing 500,000Euro per month due to competition from private operators. (Bus Eireann wants to hive off Expressway into a separate company with lower pay and worse conditions than in the parent company-PH)
Halligan Wants Private operators licences withdrawn and has called for bus services nationwide to be nationalised . . . . . .
Halligan , the minister for training, said it would be “grossly unfair” if Bus Eireann introduced pay cuts and redundancies. “The general public deserves a quality public service but the workers who provide it deserve to work in reasonable conditions and be properly paid.” he said.
“I believe the bus service should be run by the state. I’m against privatising any part of the service. We need to have an economic assessment done to see how the state can control it.”
Dermot O’Leary, General Secretary of the National Bus and Rail Workers Union (NBRU) has challenged Ross’s INDEPENDENT ALLIANCE COllEAGUES “to respond the question which is, do they support the minister on his handling of the crisis which is unfolding in Bus Eireann.
O’Leary said: It would be unconscionable to think politicians whose natural habitat is on the left of the political spectrum would support such a draconian attack, led it would appear, by one of their allies in the Independent Alliance, on the livelihoods of 800-plus workers in a state owned company”- – – –
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Stand Up To Lord Ross, The Independent Alliance, Fine Gael and CIE
The Outcome of the Transport Disputes will Affect all Workers
In addition to resisting the justified claims of the workers at Dublin Bus, the Government and CIE are now proposing reduce wages and conditions in a part of Bus Eireann by hiving off the Expressway service into a seperate company.
If the Government succeeds in this, the pay and conditions of all workers in the commercial state sector will be in immediate danger. Trade unions will be weakened in Irish Society in General.
Ministers Finian McGrath and John Halligan are members of the Independent Alliance of which senior Minister for Transport, Ross is the effective leader. MvGrath and Halligan purport to be left-wingers and friends of workers.It is time for them to stand up and be counted on the workers side in these disputes by stopping Lord Ross in his tracks.
When INMO, Civil and Public Services Union (CPSU), UNITE and the Irish Bank Officials Association (IBOA) successfully proposed a motion at ICTU BDC 2013 calling for the repeal of the Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Act, they said its effect would “knock on” to the commercial state sector and the private sector. TEEU said the same.
NOW IT IS HAPPENING!!!
All industrial and political means necessary to defeat Lord Ross and the company must now be used.
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A general article on the approach union activists should adopt to combat the capitulatory union leaders is carried below.
STOP PRESS
RESTORATION OF PAY CUTS IN PUBLIC SERVICE???????
New Government-ICTU Confidence Trick
The story about restoration of pay and pensions in the public service is a misleading kite been flown jointly by government and the Public Services Committee of ICTU. It is designed to relieve pressure on union leaders and on government. The timescale , they hope, should see them through the general election. We will be invited to vote Labour to ensure restoration of pay and pensions and the “success” of the talks.
Already the timescale of the Haddington Rd agreement was set to see the government through the next election.
But even the promise of jam tomorrow is completely false. Already unions are negotiating pay rises in the profitable part of the private sector covering about 50% of private sector workers according to LRC chief Kieran Mulvey in a radio interview.. He has also pointed out that SIPTU has negotiated pay rises in 250 employments recently and MANDATE has also done so in large retail employments. Mulvey said these rises were normaly of the order of 2 to 5%. This means they are effectively cost of living rises. Faced with the inevitability of conceding similar rises in the public service, ICTU and Government have decided to call them “restoration”. Because they are the same cost of living rises as in the profitable private sector, there will be in fact no restoration in comparison to the profitable part of the private sector. Those in the public service who get the cost of living rises will have them strung out over years. But Minister Howlins statement indicates that many public servants will not receive “restoration”. This means they will not even receive cost of living rises.
This confidence trick would not be possible without the collusion of the public service trade union leaders who are responsible for a historic capitulation through Croke Park 1, Croke Park 2, Haddington Rd and aove all agreeing to FEMPI, the anti-worker law.
We are seeing a continuation of the historic capitulation of ICTU in new packaging.
What is to be Done in Trade Unions?
ICTU CONFERENCE UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED EMERGENCY MOTION ON THE FISCAL EMERGENCY MEASURES IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST LEGISLATION at its meeting in Belfast in June 2013:The following motion, sponsored by the INMO, Civil and Public Services Union (CPSU), UNITE and the Irish Bank Officials Association (IBOA) was unanimously adopted by the ICTU Biennial Delegate Conference:
“ Conference, noting:
- that the Fiscal Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Act undermines the principle of collective bargaining in the public sector and concerned that this may set a precedent for the private sector;
- that the legislation provides extraordinary powers to government Ministers to unilaterally vary terms and conditions of employment;
- that there is no specified end period for this “emergency” legislation; and
- that this anti trade union legislation has been introduced in the centenary of the 1913 lockout;
calls on the incoming Executive to mount a vigorous, and robust, campaign against this legislation with the goal of seeing it repealed.”
It should be noted that SIPTU, IMPACT, PSEU and the teachers unions voted for this resolution after they had used the Act to force members to accept the Haddington Rd Agreement under which conditions of employment and pensions were significantly worsened. Nothing whatever has been done to implement the resolution in the year since it was passed-surprise! surprise!
The unions proposing the motion were only too correct when they included in the motion the fact that they were “concerned that this may set a precedent for the private sector”. Indeed in its recommendation to members to reject Croke Park 2, the TEEU rightly gave as one of the reasons that the cuts would knock-on to the private sector.
Employers in the private sector, as expected, have now intensified their assault on pay and conditions. Bausch and Lomb, the Greyhound bin company and numerous employers about the country are imposing pay cuts and other worsening of conditions, often, after Labour Court/LRC intervention. For example Bulmers Cider-Showerings and a chemical company , both in Clonmel, have recently imposed pay reductions. The attempt by Iarnród Éireann to cut pay continues.
(The demands of Bausch and Lomb are extremely threatening for workers in multinational companies and for the Irish people generally. The powerlessness of workers and the Irish Government in the face of these threatshighlights the effect of undue reliance on multi-national investment which, itself, is related to the failure to solve the national question in the 1798 to 1923 period with all its implications for economic sovereignty. I will return to this in a further document)
And why wouldn’t employers go on the offensive? Public service unions, including SIPTU, have been telling members for months that they had to vote for cuts under the Haddington Rd Agreement lest worse befall them under the FEMPI Act. Indeed, after the vast majority of public servants had rejected Croke Park 2, ICTU Gen Sec David Begg “intervened” and went on Radio Eireann to say that unions who said that no cuts in the public service pay bill were acceptable were being “unrealistic”!!!! Private sector employers are now taking him at his word!!! The slogan; “an injury to one is the concern of all” is not solely or even mainly based on altruism.
What is happening at the top of the trade union movement is a degree of betrayal of Irish workers interests that is unprecedented.
Trade union activists of my age would have spent a lifetime criticising trade union leaders from my own general secretaries to Mickey Mullen, Fitan Kennedy, Denis Larkin, Tommy Heerey, John Mulhall, Harold O’Sullivan in the early years to more recent leaders such as Billy Atlee and many others for not being sufficiently militant. But none of these were ever involved in anything remotely like the level of compliance with government that has occurred since the banking crash. Engaging in talks in the context of statutory pay and pension cuts by Lenihan, failing to oppose FEMPI while Howlin was piloting it through the Dail and continuing negotiations in its shadow, allowing government to deduct Home Tax from pay, agreeing for the first time, under Croke Park 1, that permanent public servants could were liable for compulsory redundancy and therefore had to agree to cuts to avoid it. The level of compliance is also unsurpassed in any of the European bailout countries.
UNION LEADERS SUPPORTING LABOUR HUMILIATED IN EUROPEAN ELECTION!
The political earthquake in voting allegiance in recent elections presents huge problems for union leaders. The combined non-Labour Party Left (excluding Sinn Féin) is now bigger than the Labour Party in local government! Big unions affiliated to the Labour Party were unable to deliver votes to Labour. A large banner on the SIPTU building in central Dublin urged votes for Emer Costelloe (Labour Party). There are 11 other trade unions affiliated to the Labour Party including TSSA, UCATT and Municipal Employees Division of IMPACT. The Irish Region of UNITE had dissaffiliated from the Irish Labour Party before the election. The big retail union MANDATE has not been affiliated to the Labour Party for decades. Because of its pivotal place in the past and present of the Irish working class, in addition to its size, SIPTU (ITGWU) through its leadership has a special responsibility for the austerity being imposed by the Labour Party in government.
In addition to Sinn Féin heading the European election poll in the Dublin Constituency with over 88,000 votes we see the following in details of the first count:
Socialist Party | Murphy, Paul | 29953 |
Labour Party | Costello, Emer | 25961 |
People before Profit (SWP) | Smith, Bríd | 23875 |
The leaders of SIPTU, the giant general union, were totally ignored by their members. It is clear that union leaders are totally out of step with the popular mood. Nevertheless, since the election, SIPTU leader Jack O’Connor has said: “Labour should remain in Government. It is vital there is a voice in Cabinet to challenge austerity” (Cork Echo June 5) UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!! National mobilisation of members could not even be mentioned as an alternative!
Stirrings Among Union Members
Already, union members are wearying of continued retreats before the offensive of employers in the private and public sectors. Is the unofficial stoppage at Greyhound a harbinger of the great waves of unofficial strikes of the sixties which culminated in the defeat of the employers in the Maintenance strike. Workers in Irish rail, Aer lingus, Bausch and Lomb and the Paris Bakery are either involved or have been recently involved in industrial conflict situations. The blows delivered to the government parties in the recent elections cannot but give impetus to the determination of workers to resist economic attacks in their employments. Collaboration with austerity governments has reached an all time intensity in recent pay reduction deals in the public service. The trade union leaderships are the praetorian guard of pro-austerity governments. But the worm may now be turning—–.
The Irish trade union leadership has been unusually compliant since 1969. That was the year in which an elected cross-union strike committee of maintenance craftsmen inflicted a historic defeat on Irish employers as a whole. The craftsmen won with massive support from general workers who respected their pickets. Only one of 23 craft union leaderships was supporting the strike when the employers collapsed and settled individually with the strikers. The then Leader of the ICTU had called on members of his own general union (Marine Port and General Workers Union) to place pickets on workplaces in protest against the craftsmen’s activities!! Following the strike the entire unionised Irish workforce through relativity systems and under threat of a strike wave secured bigger increases than the craftsmen who then caught up! All modern wages in Ireland are based on the gains of the strike of maintenance craftsmen in 1969. Far from celebrating the victory, the top ICTU leadership immediately changed picketing rules in an attempt to ensure that the solidarity shown could never happen again. ICTU then tolerated changes in industrial relations law by government, which inter alia, gave increased powers to general secretaries over members and elected executives!
Background
Since the anti-conscription strike of 1917, the ITUC Congress and Labour Party, as it was then known, has not spoken politically on behalf of the majority of Irish workers. It failed to lead the national struggle and the social struggles of the 1918-1923 period to a successful conclusion. This failure ceded the allegiance of Irish workers to Unionist parties in the northern state and pro-capitalist nationalist parties in the souther state. Since then, social democracy in Ireland north and south has always been a stunted organism. Unlike the Irish case, in imperialist countries, such as Germany and the UK, its parties have been in government alone. There was a huge surge of workers into the trade unions in the 1918 to 1922 period, principally but not only into the ITGWU, now called SIPTU. In this sense, the self identity of the Irish working class as having a separate class interest is historically and practically centred on the trade unions rather than on the Labour Party as in the UK. The Irish trade union leadership was deeply involved in the false boom and subsequently in collaboration with the FF/Green Government and the FG/Lab government in implementing austerity programmes.
RECENT HISTORY
ICTU secretary General David Begg was a senior member of the board of the Central Bank for 14 years up to the year 2010. He reports to the executive council of ICTU. Before he became governor of the Central Bank, the current governor, Professor Honohan, in Economic and Social Review (Summer 2009) said:“Irish banking system had been, in effect, on a life-support system since September 2008.—-.Complacency resulted in the banks fuelling the late stage of an obvious construction bubble with massive foreign borrowing, leaving them exposed to solvency and liquidity risks which in past times would have been inconceivable–At the end of 2003, net indebtedness of Irish banks to the rest of the world was just 10 per cent of GDP. By early 2008 that had jumped to over 60 per cent” The borrowing of 50% of Gross Domestic Product over 5 years by the covered banks is precisely what the Central Bank is tasked to prevent-grossly irresponsible borrowing which threatens financial stability. Following the banking collapse, countless thousands have lost their jobs and savage austerity has been visited on the population including pay and pension cuts. There had been a formal system of social partnership in place from 1987 until the economic collapse in 2009. Subsequently collaboration with government by the trade union leadership intensified. After the FF/Green government legislated for pay and pension cuts in the public service (Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Act, 2010) and implemented a moratorium on the filling of posts in the public service, union leaders negotiated further major reductions in the public service pay bill over 3 years(Public Service Agreement 2011-2014) with the same government! Though the new FG/Lab government reneged on the deal in 2013, and introduced draconian anti-union Legislation (FEMPI 2013), the union leaders negotiated a new 3 year deal implementing further cuts in the public pay bill with the FG/Labour government . The trade union leaders are completely complicit in implementing austerity policies. Currently, the collaboration takes place through Labour Party ministers in government. But I do not believe that the complicity with the present government is due to the presence of the Labour Party in the government. All the evidence is that the union leaders would be equally complicit with any government which maintained the cast of senior trade union officials as an integral part of the elite of Irish society. SEE http://wp.me/pKzXa-gw
What Is to Be Done?
When I say that it is essential that the left and the trade unions show a new way forward to the Irish people in the current ongoing economic and political crisis, I do not mean that the current trade union leaders can be expected to do this. Activists must, of course, continue and intensify efforts to bring the leaders under democratic control of members and to replace those not amenable to such control. However, if one depended solely on proceedings at annual congresses and branch/section meetings, workers would be long defeated before such processes were concluded. Irish workers have a particularly strong tradition of “unofficial” industrial action in addition to official action. But workers have been particularly quiet since the beginning of the economic crisis. There had been very significant improvements in workers living standards in the decade before the onset of recession. The recession came as quite a shock to all. Trade union leaders and politicians reinforced the same message. If short term or temporary pain were accepted, previous relative prosperity would be recovered. Many believed this or thought it might be true. But very few now hold this view and the number decreases as time goes by. After the overall exchequer deficit has been reduced below 3% of GDP in the budget 2015, the state is committed to removing the “structural deficit” by 2018 and paying down state debt from 120% of GDP to 60% over 20 years under the Fiscal Treaty. Resistance by workers in their employment is already increasing. Commercial companies which are partially or wholly owned by the state are now seeking to worsen conditions of employment. Workers in Aer Lingus and Irish rail are resisting. The largely immigrant workforce in a small Dublin centre bakery is sitting in to demand wages owed and redundancy payments. All this could become contagious! The current unofficial “downer” at Greyhound by lowly paid workers may be a straw in the wind! This possibility is enhanced by the outcome of recent elections. The blows delivered to the government parties in the recent European and Local elections shows to workers that the government can be shaken and that there is widespread opposition to government policies. The wipe-out of the Labour Party and the surge to Sinn Féin has rocked the political system and the irish elites including the trade union leaders.
- In line with the new mood, union activists must now redouble their efforts to secure support of fellow workers to resist attacks on pay ,pensions and conditions in the public and private sectors
- Union leaders must be called to account for their support for Austerity Measures and for the Labour Party in Government
- An alternative economic path for the country based on the interests of workers and the poor should be advocated (see x below)
- Dissaffiliation from the Labour Party should be advocated (see y below)
- Workers should be urged to seek and sign the official form form forbidding the union to give any part of union dues to the party.
- Full time officials who represent unions on Public Service Committee of ICTU and on the Executive Council of ICTU should be replaced by executive members subject to re-election. (This does not require a change of union rules in most cases)
- All officials must be subject to election and re-election
X several left wing organisations have put forward such programmes. At a minimum a steeply progressive taxation of the incomes and assets of the very rich should be advocated (the top 10,000 income earners have an average income of 595,000 Euro each and financial assets (bank deposits and shares) of households only (not companies) have increased by 70 billion since the onset of recession and are now above peak boom levels (Central Statistics Office, Institutional Sector Accounts 2013). Water charges, to be introduced in October should be resisted by trade unions)
y How can a union remain affiliated to the Labour Party after ICTU, itself, has passed the following resolution concerning the emergency legislation introduced by Labour Party Minister, Brendan Howlin: ICTU CONFERENCE UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTS EMERGENCY MOTION ON THE FISCAL EMERGENCY MEASURES IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST LEGISLATION The following motion, sponsored by the INMO, Civil and Public Services Union (CPSU), UNITE and the Irish Bank Officials Association (IBOA) was unanimously adopted by the ICTU Biennial Delegate Conference at its meeting in Belfast today (June 2013): Conference, noting:
- that the Fiscal Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Act undermines the principle of collective bargaining in the public sector and concerned that this may set a precedent for the private sector;
- that the legislation provides extraordinary powers to government Ministers to unilaterally vary terms and conditions of employment;
- that there is no specified end period for this “emergency” legislation; and
- that this anti trade union legislation has been introduced in the centenary of the 1913 lockout;
calls on the incoming Executive to mount a vigorous, and robust, campaign against this legislation with the goal of seeing it repealed.
(Nothing has been done to implement the resolution in the last 12 months. there is no union affiliated to the Labour Party among the proposers!! P H)
Labour Leadership Race: Savour the Total cynicism of Labour and Trade Union Leaders Miriam Lord : http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/the-question-that-should-have-been-asked-at-the-labour-husting-was-why-are-we-all-here-1.1833442 …
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UPDATE:Labour Destroyed Itself through Coalition
General Election 2020: Labour Has Become an Irrelevance
The party has not been forgiven for the austerity measures of its coalition with Fine Gael and will struggle to hold its seven seats. https://wp.me/pKzXa-lc
It is flirting with irrelevancy, writes Gary Murphy.
Ten years ago, it was all so different.
In June 2010, an Ipsos/MRBI opinion poll suggested that Labour was Ireland’s most popular party, with 32% saying they would vote ‘red’ in a general election.
Three months later, the same polling company had the party up 1% and ahead of both a stagnant Fine Gael and a plummeting Fianna Fáil.
With a general election looming, optimism swelled through Labour’s ranks and the phrase ‘Gilmore for Taoiseach’ was launched.
While the surge in Labour’s support tapered off into the 20s in polls, the party entered the February general election campaign of 2011 in buoyant mood.
Labour received 19.4% of the vote and won 37 seats. Both were historic highs.
But there was disappointment that it was significantly adrift of Fine Gael, which won 76 seats, on 36% of the vote.
Labour then took the fateful decision to enter government with Fine Gael.
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UPDATE OCT 11
Labour Backed by SIPTU Humiliated in Two Bye-elections
The pathetic vote for Labour backed by SIPTU and it’s President Jack O’Connor and the massive turnout on the Abolish the Water Charges Demonstration to-day shows that the majority of Workers are rejecting the SIPTU Position
The demonstration was backed by 5 unions -MANDATE, UNITE, CPSU,OPATSI, CWU but SIPTU continues to support Burton and the Labour Party Leadership which is enforcing the water charges
UPDATE:October 6
Labour to be Humiliated in Bye-Elections
Water charges, supported by Labour, have become the main issue in both bye-elections to be held next Friday. Labour currently has two seats in the Dublin Southwest constituency-Pat Rabitte and Eamonn Maloney.
The results will show that Labour will get no seat in the constituency in a general election.
This bears out my contention in the analysis below that coalition with FG and or FF has destroyed the Labour Party and will also destroy Sinn Féin if it enters into such a coalition
UPDATE JULY 4
New Labour Leadership But No change
SIPTU LEADERSHIP NOW DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR LABOUR ACTIONS IN GOVERNMENT
The entire Labour party leadership affair is a low farce with little substance. The vote for the Labour candidate in the recent bye-election in Joan Burton’s constituency of Dublin West was 5.2% for Lorraine Mulligan. Joan Canvassed for the candidate. She delivered a derisory vote.
In the new All Tipperary Co Council, the Labour Party has one seat only. The candidate was elected to the ninth seat in the Nenagh ward without reaching the quota. This is the “turf” of Alan Kelly TD who has been elected as Deputy leader of the Labour Party.
If a general election were held to-morrow, there can be little doubt that the Leader and Deputy Leader of the Lasbour Party would lose their seats.
The Labour Party is terminally ill but is being kept alive by Jack O’Connor and the SIPTU leadership. Jack has referred to the “vile lie” that Labour broke its promises. He has also claimed that the Labour Party has “saved” the workers from 2 billion in additional cuts which otherwise would have been implemented by Fine GaeL.
If SIPTU withdrew support from the Labour Party leadership, the party would collapse. A convention of the Labour movement, political and industrial, could then be held to discuss a way forward.
It is clear that the leaderships of several trade unions are distinctly unhappy with the role of the Labour Party in government. UNITE has already dissaffiliated. The emergency resolution passed by ICTU Biennial Congress in June 2013 calling for a vigorous campaign against Labour Howlins anti-worker FEMPI wage cutting act were INMO, IBOA and MANDATE in addition to UNITE. O’Connor and Coady(IMPACT) poured cold water on the resolution but voted for it. But they have ensured that the resolution has not been implemented in any respect in the last twelve months.
The SIPTU leadership must be held to be directly responsible for everything Burton and Kelly do in government.
It should be recalled that the affiliated unions supported the return to coalitionism in 1970. Instead of celebrating the historic victory of the unofficialmaintenance workers strike over the employers, they were terrified by it.
Everybody should attend the Greyhound Workers Support meeting in Libert Hall on Monday. But as we do, we should ask ourselves how SIPTU allowed a situation to arise where an employer could dare to bring in “agency workers” to break an official strike a year after we celibrated the hundredth anniversary of 1913!!
Irish People Will Pay a heavy Price if Left and Trade Unions fail to show a way forward
Prior to the 1969 General election the Labour Party leadership adopted a policy of refusing to enter coalition with Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael in the future. While the Labour Party vote improved in the 1969 General Election, Labour did not make the sweeping gains that some had expected. The leadership immediately used the outcome to reverse its “no coalition” policy. The reality was that the Labour and Trade Union leaders were frightened by the unofficial strike wave which culminated in the great national victory over the employers by the maintenance craftworkers in 1969. The mobilisation around civil rights in the north added to the dangers of destabilisation of the capitalist Treaty settlement of 1922. As always, Irish social democracy returned to its first principle: protect t capitalist stability. This required a return to coalition.
I resisted this reversal and I was elected to the National Executive (then called the Administrative Council at the1970 Party Conference on that basis . I was expelled at the first meeting.
Again in 2011, following the unprecedented economic crash and the linked damage to the main ruling party Fianna Fáil, capitalist stability was in danger. It was clear to all that any party representing workers would be fatally damaged by participation in a capitalist coalitrion government in the circumstances. Yet Labour entered with its eyes open to protect Irish capitalism once again.
This coalitionist policy has led to disaster after disaster for the Labour Party. Now it is on the brink of oblivion.
Written on the tombstone of Labour will be the legend: “It died protecting Irish capitalism. It turned on its own””
Because none of the leadership candidates are questioning the coalition policy, the outcome of the leadership election is immaterial.
The material below was contained in an edition of Comment,the UCD Labour Party Magazine published in 1967. It was edited by Ruairí Quinn who has just retired as Minister for Education. It gives a glimpse of the brief “no coalition” era in the Labour Party in the late sixties.
Ruairí Quinn writes an editorial against coalition with Fianna Fail and Fine Gael.
Paddy Healy(myself!) elaborates on the history and meaning of Connolly’s concept of the Workers Republic. This is carried below.
Full Magazine here http://irishelectionliterature.wordpress.com/2014/07/02
WORKERS’REPUBLIC
Pat Healy is a graduate of UCD and is currently a lecturer in Bolton ST1
At the coming Labour Party conference motions will be discussed calling for the reinsertion of the demand for a Workers Republic among the aims and objects of tine party. This development, which is a reflection of the growing leftward trend in Irish politics, will be welcomed by all workers who see the need for a radical reorganisation of the economy in the interest of the working class, This need will become all the more apparent in the coming months when Fianna Fáil, the executive committee of the exploiting class, will attempt to shackle the workers by enacting anti-trade union legislation.
The history of the demand for a Workers Republic in the Labour movement is most instructive, It was the goal of James Connolly co-founder with Larkin of the Labour Party. It was clear to him that independence alone would not alleviate the plight of the toiling man. Consequently, he instructed the Citizen Army to hold onto their arms in the coming fight lest those who were with them stop short of his objective. In the thirties, the demand for a Workers Republic split the Republican Congress2 ,its opponents holding that the national revolution must first be completed-shades of Devalera’s infamous dictum “Labour must wait”.
It was formally incorporatod as an objective of the Labour
Party in 1936. However, anti-progressive forces wore soon to show their hand. The executive of the Irish National Teachers Organisation, who were then affiliated to the Labour Party, sent a letter to the Hierarchy asking their opinion as to whether the aims and objects of the Labour Party ware in any way in conflict with Catholic teaching. This was referred by the Hierarchy to a committee of experts, who replied that certain things were and gave as an example the fact that the Worker’s Republic was the ultimate objective of the party.
A series of amendments were placed on the agenda of the 1938 conference by the INTO, with the object of deleting the objectionable clauses from the constitution. It became apparent however, after a number of discussions between the executive of the I.N.T.O.and some members of the AC of the Party that the amendments would not be passed. They were accordingly withdrawn after an assurance by NORTON that he would use “other means” to have them adopted. The amendments again appeared on the agenda of the 1939 conference but were referred back. However, the A.C, sought and obtained permission from the conference to redraft the constitution. This wassupported by Tom 0’Connell, a former Chairman of the Party, who remarked “people might think we’re socialists”. A new draft-constitution was circulated in April 1940 and in this draft all reference to the Workers’ Republic had been omitted. This was flltina passed in the 1940’s and following this the INTO received the express commendation of the Bishops. Before this statement from the bishops no public mention had been made of the negotiations that had been going on between the executive of the INTO, certain members of the A.C. of the Labour Party and the Hierarchy. Even to-day it is not thought advisable to make public reference to the circumstances which led up to the alterations in the constitution. It is significant that no direct vote was ever taken on the deletion of the Worker’s Republic clause.
The Labour Party has recently declared itself to be a socialist party, but declarations alone are meaningless unless the Party adopts a socialist programme for workers power centred around the demand for a workers Republic.
There must be no ambiguity about the goal for which we are striving. WE can learn much from the experience of the British Labour Party. This so-called socialist party was elected without a socialist programme and with no perspective outside the capitalist system. Now, having no other perspective, they govern in the in the interest of the exploiters and when these exploiters encounter difficulties which spring from the inherent contradictions in capitalism they unload the problems onto the backs of the workers by deliberately creating unemployment. This human suffering, this gross waste of resources which should be used to better the lot of those who work could never take place in a planned economy. Anyone who has any illusions that the British Labour Party is governing in the interest of the workers should consult the growing dole queues.
This is not what we mean by a Worker’s Republic. The Worker’s Republic the rule of the majority, organizised through workers’ councils, without standing army or permanent bureaucracy, needing repression initially only against the formerly exploiting minority. The electorate will retain the right of immediate recall of its representatives at all levels. Therefore the character of this semi-state of the working class is radically different.Whereas present “democracy” is based on a state of exploitation of the vast majority, and is only an empty, legalistic formula masking an employers’ dictatorship, the Workers’ Republic means real democracy, the reality of the controlling will of the workers: it is democracy by and for tile working people against the exploiters.
In the Workers’Republic the means of life will be social property. The factories, banks, insurance companies and means of transport and communication will be common property of the working people,controlled democratically. All imperialist economic holdings will be expropriated. Large scale industry will be nationalised,(nationalisation being understood as the transfer of ownership to the workers state under the direct socialist management of the working class). The existing state-capitalist enterprises will also be transferred into social property by the Workers’ State. Large estates and capitalist agricultural undertakings will be nationalised. There will be state monopoly of the wholesale trade, :Nationalisaxion for use by the people of large houses in town and country. Small property in town and country will not be expropriated and non-exploiters will not be coerced. Only when the small farmers can see the advantages of amalgamation and large scale agriculture will there be any question of reorganisation here. Until that time, planning by the Workers State will, will at least, free the small farmer from the disastrous effects the present anarchic capitalist system.
At a local level workers management will be the rule; on a national level, economic functions will be centralised in the hands of the democratically controlled workers state. The central and local
will interact and mutually adjust to the other. For the first time a rational economy planned in the interests of the self-controlling working man will be possible
In relation to the Labour Party Conference a word of warning is necessary. Past experience has shown that the cleverest careerists often adopt left sounding phrases as a means to their own ends. When Hugh Gaitskell sought to delete Clause 1V from the British Labour Party constitution his vigorous opponent was Harold Wilson (Claus IV states that the aim of the Party is the control of the means of production by those who labour by hand or by brain). Now Wilson and his fellow traitors not alone ignore Clause IV but even their own election promises.
It will not be surprising, therefore, if the conference accepts the Workers’ Republic motion by a large majority with strong vocal support from all manner of oppartunists
and place-seekers.But let us not be deceived.Let us elect officers who will struggle for Connollys glorious goal and after conference let us wage a constant determined struggle within the Party lest any bureaucrat, blackleg or traitor should renege on the battle for socialism and place his owm selfish interest before those of the working class.
Onward to the Workers Republic!!
1 if the author had been consulted by Editor Ruairí Quinn he would have been told that my name is Paddy Healy and that I had joined the lecturing staff at Kevin St (PH 2014)
Huge Political Crisis Developing in Ireland
The reality is that political room for social democracy has been removed in EU “programme countries” .Classical social democracy is almost extinct in Greece and is now dying in Ireland
I rarely agree with John Bruton but he is correct in predicting (at least) 10 years more of austerity. The EU has quantified what is necessary to remove “the structural deficit” under the fiscal treaty- a change from -4.8% of GDP in 2014 to +4.9% in 2018. Then the requirement to PAY DOWN (not roll-over) the state debt from 120% of GDP to 60% of GDP over 20 years kicks in. No wonder, John Bruton is concerned about the government parties “raising expectations”.
THE REAL PROOF THAT THE LABOUR PARTY IS IN DIRE LONG TERM DIFFICULTY IS THAT NO LEADERSHIP CANDIDATE(even in the election for Deputy Leadership ) IS PROPOSING TO LEAVE THE COALITION GOVERNMENT EVEN ON AN OPPORTUNISTIC BASIS!
(Labour Leadership Contest: Neither of the two candidates propose to leave the austerity coalition of which Labour is a part. Under the Fiscal Treaty, which Labour supported, austerity is to continue for 20 years as government debt must be reduced (not rolled over) from 120% to 60% of GDP! Any Labour Party member, who wishes to oppose the trajectory supported by both candidates and call for a break with coalitionism, should write on the ballot paper: “none of these”
I was expelled from the National Executive of the Labour Party in 1970 for opposing the return to coalitionism after the 1969 general election. My stand has been only too trajically vindicated! )
Unless there is decisive intervention from the left, the following is likely to happen: Some combination of Sinn Fein and the traditional parties will come into government in the next general election. The government will “discover” that the economy is not “recovering” after all and that the outgoing government has concealed the extent of the problems. Blaming the outgoing government (It was ever thus), they will then launch a new round of austerity in line with the Fiscal Treaty.
Meanwhile extreme right wing forces will gather as the left and the trade union movement fail to show a way forward for the people
There will be a heavy price to be paid if the left cannot create a credible and principled alternative–
A pretend alternative, involving forces which are not opposed to coalition with FG and/or FF in principle, would create a worse scenario with a fraction of the “left alternative” joining the government (“a national government”), thereby further disorienting any left alternative which may have existed before the election ——
These matters must be addressed urgently on the left and in the trade unions. It is well to remember that in Irish circumstances, it is through the trade unions that the working class became “a class for itself”, as the political wing of the labour movement failed to play a progressive and leading role on the national question after 1916.
In the discussion a colleague has replied: sounds like “same old, same old” despite the “seismic shift”
I replied:
The “seismic shift” is away from political allegiance to the traditional parties. That alone could not be expected to provide a way forward. But the circumstance in which the southern state can no longer depend solely on the traditional FF, FG, Lab parties is not a “same old, same old” situation.
The last big political crisis was “solved” for capitalism by MacBride entering government AND by the expansionist Keynesian policies of westen governments(including Marshall Aid) which created a relatively favourable international environment.
There are many differences to-day. Sinn Fein already has more seats than Clann Na Poblahta achieved and is about to gain far more. Sinn Fein is organised on a 32 county basis. It will be far more difficult for Sinn Fein to deliver its southern supporters to support austerity than it was to enter an administration with Unionism. Northern nationalists feel threatened by sectarian discrimination and many see SF participation in the Stormont administration as a protection.
How many southern workers would forgive SF for supporting austerity?
I would opine that the real movers and shakers of the southern state (eg. John Bruton) are very worried. Clearly they believe that the EU is determined to continue implementing austerity under the Fiscal Treaty. Has the EU any choice? What would “expectations” be like if Sinn féin entered government having promised to end austerity?
There are similarities with the past but there are also important and crucial differences.
There are serious opportunities for the left and the trade unions if they are grasped.
AFTERSHOCK WORSE THAN POLITICAL EARTHQUAKE
UPDATE Dec 4
Government Parties SLUMP in IPSOS/MRBI(IRIAH TIMES) Poll
The full “aftershock” is now apparent in this huge slump for government parties and surge for IND/Others. SF as biggest party goes ahead of Fine Gael. “Troika” parties combined are now down to 46% in final outcome. As there are 22% undecided, The core vote for the “Troika” parties combined is 37%!!!!!!!!!!
IND/Others=32%
FG+FF+LAB=19+21+6=46%
SF=22%
Gerry Adams most popuar party leader as Burton drops 12% !!!!
Party leader support from all polled Gerry Adams 26%(Down 9), Joan Burton 25%(down 12) Micheál Martin 25%( down 1), Enda Kenny 19%(down 7)
The low level of support for all party leaders is evident.
NOTE: UNLIKE RED C AND B&A, IPSOS/MRBI gives no bonus for performance in last General Election in processing raw data
From Irish Times DEC 4
“When people were asked who they would vote for if an election were held tomorrow, party support – when undecideds are excluded – compared with the last Irish Times poll in October was: Fine Gael, 19 per cent (down five points); Labour, 6 per cent (down three points); Fianna Fáil, 21 per cent (up one point); Sinn Féin, 22 per cent (down two points); and Independents/Others, 32 per cent (up nine points).
The survey was undertaken on Monday and Tuesday this week among a representative sample of 1,200 voters aged 18 and over, in face-to-face interviews at 100 sampling points in all constituencies. The margin of error is plus or minus 2.8 per cent.
The core vote for the parties – before undecideds are excluded – compared with the last poll was: Fine Gael, 16 per cent (down three points); Labour, 5 per cent (down two); Fianna Fáil, 16 per cent (no change); Sinn Féin, 17 per cent (down one); Independents/Others, 25 per cent (up eight); and undecided voters, 22 per cent (down one). (Irish Times DEC 4)
Update Nov 23 Red C Poll
Click to access SBP-November-2014-Poll-Report.pdf
Sinn Féin lead Fine Gael by 3% in Red C Poll
Even the highly processed RED C outcome shows FF+Fg+Lab below 50%!!!
Click to access SBP-November-2014-Poll-Report.pdf
As usual RED C does not provide the “raw vote” on its website. It provides a “Core Vote” which was:
Core Vote: Others 26, Sinn Féin 21, FG 18, FF, 15 Labour 6, Undecided 12
As can be seen, while Others are the leaders, Sinn Féin at 21% is 3 points ahead of the nearest party Fine Gael on 18%
How did FG catch up with Sinn Féin in the “processing” to be level on 22% in the final outcome?
FG was elevated both on “likely to vote” criteria and got a bonus for the higher vote for Fine Gael at the last General election. The Sinn Féin “core vote” was reduced under both criteria.
The reason the Red C “Core Vote” is different from the raw votes given by Millward Brown and IPSOS/MRBI is those least likely to vote have been already removed by Red C
The real number of dont know/wont vote is probably over 20% as seen in the Nov 2, Millward Brown Poll immediately below
UPDATE Nov 2 MILLWARD BROWN POLL Sunday Independent
MB Raw Vote Nov 2 FG 17 FF 15 SF 20 Lab 6 Ind/Others 18 Undecided 24
B&A Raw Vote OCT 27 FG17 FF 14 SF 17 Lab 4 Ind/others 23 Undecided 24
Equivalent Raw Vote(Red C) FG 20 FF 14 SF 17 Lab 5 Ind/others 21 Undecided 24
Oct 27
The drop in support for Ind/others from 23% in B&A to 18% in Millward Brown is greater than the margin of error. Other changes are within that margin including the Sinn Féin increase and the FG decrease
UPDATE Mon OCT 27
LOSS OF MEMORY ERODES BONUS FOR GOVERNMENT PARTIES IN RED C And B&A POLLS!!!
WHEEL TURNS FULL CIRCLE!!!
For some time I have been saying that weighting polls to mid-way between the actual responses and the recall of respondents of how they voted in the last election is no longer appropriate because of the political earthquake demonstrated by the outcome of the local and European elections and indeed the sharp decline in government support before that. Fine Gael and Labour were getting a significant bonus in these polls due to their performances in the 2011 GE. Because of this I track the raw votes over time from all companies in this blog(see below)
It is stated on the RED C site: ““A further past vote weighting is included that takes the current recall for how people voted at the last election, compares this to the actual results, and weights the data to halfway between the two.”
Believe it or not : The combination of the political earthquake and the time honoured propensity of human beings to forget their past mistakes and transgressions has granted my wish!!!!
The figures below taken from the Red C site show that though 36% of voters supported FG in the 2011 election only 20% of the sample now recall doing so!. 19.4% of voters supported Labour but now only 7% of the sample recall doing so! On the other hand Sinn Féin which is now showing double its 2011 result in polls and usually is the big loser in the weighting process now only loses one point.In the B&A Poll of August 17 the SF vote of 27% after undecideds were eliminated was “adjusted”downward to 19%! (See Misleading Poll below) Could a higher proportion of respondent nows be “remembering” voting for SF in 2011 than actually voted for them??? This farce must end
The wheel has now turned full circle. The weighting process is actually disadvantaging Fine Gael and is of little use to Labour.
I expect B&A and Red C to dispense with this weighting process shortly!!!!!!!!!!!!
Red C CORE Vote 25 Oct 5 FG 22 FF 16 SF 19 Lab 5
Ind/ Others 23 Undecided 15
Impact of Weighting FG 21 FF 15 SF 18 Lab 6
IND/other 24 Undecided 16
RED C has now provided more detailed information on its website. AS USUAL THE RAW VOTE HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED. A core vote(above) has been provided which has been arrived at by eliminating those very unlikely to vote.
I have produced an estimate of the raw vote by increasing Undecided from 15 to 24 s in B&A Raw and recalculating the figures for each party (In B&A “Undecideds” include those unlikely to vote)
As can be seen here there is no difference between the raw vote figures in each poll when margin of error(3.1%) is taken into account. Both Polls record a significant increase in support for Independents/Others
Equivalent Raw Vote(Red C) FG 20 FF 14 SF 17 Lab 5 Ind/others 21 Undecided 24
B&A Raw Vote FG17 FF 14 SF 17 Lab 4 Ind/others 23 Undecided 24
PARTY SCORES IN POORER AND RICHER HALVES OF POPULATION IN B&A POLLs AUG 17, 2014 and Oct 25,2014
( IPSOS/MRBI Full Data OCT 9 http://pollresults.mag.irishtimes.com/)
In to-days B&A Poll Support for FG+FG+Labour Drops from 35% to 26%,Down 9%, in the Poorer half of Population!!!!!!!!!!
Labour now at 2% !!!!!!!! TWO PER CENT IN THE POORER HALF OF THE POPULATION!
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Behaviour and Attitudes has provided a detailed breakdown of the poll by age, region, social category etc on its website. The outcomes have not been “adjusted” and include all those expressing no opinion. The outcomes by social category are of particular political interest.
As there are approximately 500 respondents in each group of categories, the margin of error for 95% confidence remains reasonable at about 4.5% (3.1% in total poll of 1000)
Oct 25
ABC1 Ind/others 25, FG 18, SF 13, FF17, Lab 7, No Opinion 20
C2DE SF 22 Ind/Others 24 FF 11 FG 13 Lab 2 No Opinion 29
Aug 17
ABC1 Ind/others 21, FG 19, SF 17, FF15, Lab 11, No Opinion 19
C2DE SF 27 Ind/Others 16 FF 15 FG 15 Lab 5 No Opinion 22
C2DE comprises the less “well off” 53% of population
As pointed out above the combined vote of FG,FF and Labour has fallen 9 percentage points to 26% in approximately 2 months in the poorer half of the population. The Labour vote to-day(OCT 25) at 2% is abysmal. This is in line with recent bye-election results.
There can be little doubt that support for the left as part of Independent /Others has increased. INd/others have risen by eight percentage points among C2DEs!! but only by 4% among ABC1 categories
Other notable outcomes are the low vote of Labour and the very high vote of Sinn Féin and INd/Others in the less well off section of the population. This was reaffirmed in the Millward Brown Poll of Sept 21
It is also of interest that independents/others lead Fine Gael among the wealthier categories and that even among these Sinn Féin lead Labour
Overall Result
OCTOBER 25 TWO POLLS—RED C and B&A
Government Fooled Nobody in Budget!!!!!
COMPARING RAW VOTES IN RECENT POLLS -Because of Differing “Adjustments” it is best to compare raw votes over time in polls taken by many companies.
RED C does not provide a raw vote to the public. It provides a “core vote” which has already been adjusted to some extent.
Taking a margin of Error of 3% for 95% confidence, from OCT 9(IPSOS/MRBI) and OCT 25(B&A), the only statistically significant change has been a rise of 6% for Ind/Others including Greens.
In to-days poll OCT 25, there is no significant change in the vote for Sinn Féin. While the change in the Labour Vote is just within the margin of error, it is abysmally low. It means tha onlyt 40 people out of a thousand said, when asked, that they would vote Labour. That means that it could be between 10(1%) and 70 (7%).
In to-days poll B&A(OCT 25) when “undecideds are simply eliminated, the outcome is
FF19 FG 23 Lab 5 SF 23 Ind/others 31
Independents/others are Eight points ahead of FG and SF
Raw Votes
OCT 25
B&A Raw Vote FF 14 FG17 Lab 4 SF 17 Ind/others 23 undecided 24
Ipsos MRBI OCT 9
Raw Vote FF 15 FG 17 FG 19 Labour 7 Sinn Féin 18 Ind/ Others 17 Undecided 23
Millward Brown Sept 21 Note Large rise in UNDECIDED
Raw Vote FF 15 FG 17 Labour 6 Sinn Fen 15 Others 16 UNDECIDED 29
RED C September 15
Sept 15
Red C Equiv Raw Vote (Estimate) FF 15 FG23 Lab 6 SF 19 Others 19 Undecided 19
Aug 17
B&A Raw Vote FF 15 FG 18 Lab 7 SF 22 Others 19 Undecided 19
Political Earthquake Grows! Oct 12,2014
No Government Candidate in Top Three Candidates in Two Bye-Elections
Non Labour Left Plus Sinn Féin Get Twice the COMBINED VOTE of Troika Parties
In Dublin South West
Government Candidates Come to only 63% of radical vote(SF+Fitzmaurice) in Roscommon- Leitrim
Dublin South West Urban Largely Working Class
Elected: Paul Murphy Anti-Austerity Alliance and Socialist Party
(campaigning against Water Charges and Austerity Generally)
SF 7288 FG 2110
AAA 6540 FF 2077
PBP 530 Lab 2043
Total 14358 6230
14358/6230 =2.3
Did not Vote 36,120
Roscommon -Leitrim Provincial/Rural
Elected: Michael Fitzmaurice Independent Ally of Luke Flanagan Independent MEP
(campaigning against EU Restrictions on Turf Cutting and Transfer of EU Farming Funds from small to large farmers and undrinkable water)
Top Three
FF 7334
Fitzmaurice 6220
Sinn Féin 5906
FG 5593
Save Hospital 2944
Labour 2037
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Fitzmaurice +Sinn Féin 12,126
Fitzmaurice +SF+Save Hospital 15,070
FG+Lab(GOVT) 7,620
FF +FG+ Lab 14,95
OCT 9 IPSOS/MRBI (Irish Times) Poll
When people were asked who they would vote for if an election were held tomorrow, party support – when 23% undecideds are excluded – compared with the last Irish Times poll in May was: Fine Gael, 24 per cent (no change); Labour, 9 per cent (up two points); Fianna Fáil, 20 per cent (down five points); Sinn Féin, 24 per cent (up four points); and Independents/ Others, 23 per cent (down one point).
A representative sample of 1,200 voters aged 18 and over, in face-to-face interviews at 100 sampling points in all constituencies. The margin of error is plus or minus 2.8 per cent for 95% confidence.
Independents/Others are strongest in Dublin, where their support outstrips even Sinn Féin which is on 26% in Dublin and ahead of all other political parties
So far , breakdown by social category has not been supplied by IPSOS/MRBI or by Irish Times
The raw votes are compared here. From this it is clear that Sinn Féin continues to do well. But Fine Gael has gone down 4 points since Sept 15. This may show the effect of the Mc Nulty Seanad Election Controversy. The IPSOS /MRBI outcome in Irish Times is compared with an IPSOS/MRBI poll taken last May and could not capture this effect as the controversy occurred since Sept 15 when the Dáil resumed.
COMPARING RAW VOTES IN RECENT POLLS
Ipsos MRBI OCT 9
Raw Vote FF 15 FG 17 FG 19 Labour 7 Sinn Féin 18 Others 17 Undecided 23
Millward Brown Sept 21 Note Large rise in UNDECIDED
Raw Vote FF 15 FG 17 Labour 6 Sinn Fen 15 Others 16 UNDECIDED 29
RED C September 15
Sept 15
Red C Equiv Raw Vote FF 15 FG23 Lab 6 SF 19 Others 19 Undecided 19
Aug 17
B&A Raw Vote FF 15 FG 18 Lab 7 SF 22 Others 19 Undecided 19
Millward Brown Confirms Behaviour and Attititudes Finding of Labour Collapse and Sinn Féin surge among Less Well OFF (C2DE) Voters
Millward Brown Sunday INDEPENDENT Sept 21,2014
Paul Moran, Millward Brown, in Sunday Independent on Poll
“They (Labour Party) slightly over-index both in Dublin at 11pc and among the affluent ABs at 13pc.
Two issues arise as a result of this. Labour’s traditional heartland, the working class (C2DE) voter, has fallen out of love with them – they muster just eight per cent among this cohort (with Sinn Fein being the main beneficiary, attracting 28pc support among the same group).”
PARTY SCORES IN POORER AND RICHER HALVES OF POPULATION IN B&A POLL AUG 17, 2014
Behaviour and Attitudes has provided a detailed breakdown of the poll by age, region, social category etc on its website. The outcomes have not been “adjusted” and include all those expressing no opinion. The outcomes by social category are of particular political interest.
As there are approximately 500 respondents in each group of categories, the margin of error for 95% confidence remains reasonable at about 4.5% (3.1% in total poll of 1000)
ABC1 Ind/others 21, FG 19, SF 17, FF15, Lab 11, No Opinion 19
C2DE SF 27 Ind/Others 16 FF 15 FG 15 Lab 5 No Opinion 22
C2DE comprises the less “well off” 53% of population
Notable outcomes are the low vote of Labour at 5% and the very high vote of Sinn Féin in the less well off section of the population. This was reaffirmed in the Millward Brown Poll of Sept 21(see below)
It is also of interest that independents/others lead Fine Gael among the wealthier categories and that even among these Sinn Féin lead Labour
Millward Brown Sunday INDEPENDENT Sept 21,2014
Paul Moran, Millward Brown, in Sunday Independent on Poll
“They (Labour Party) slightly over-index both in Dublin at 11pc and among the affluent ABs at 13pc.
Two issues arise as a result of this. Labour’s traditional heartland, the working class (C2DE) voter, has fallen out of love with them – they muster just eight per cent among this cohort (with Sinn Fein being the main beneficiary, attracting 28pc support among the same group).”
COMPARING RAW VOTES IN RECENT POLLS
Millward Brown Sept 21 Note Large rise in UNDECIDED
Raw Vote FF 15 FG 17 Labour 6 Sinn Fen 15 Others 16 UNDECIDED 29
RED C September 15
Sept 15
Red C Equiv Raw Vote FF 15 FG23 Lab 6 SF 19 Others 19 Undecided 19
Aug 17
B&A Raw Vote FF 15 FG 18 Lab 7 SF 22 Others 19 Undecided 19
DR Adran Kavanagh Blog Political Geographer
The latest Sunday Independent-Millward Brown poll estimates party support levels as follows (and relative to the previous Sunday Independent-Millward Brown poll ): Fine Gael 25% (NC), Sinn Fein 22% (down 2%), Fianna Fail 21% (up 1%), Labour Party 9% (up 1%), Independents, Green Party and Others 23% (NC). My constituency-level analysis of these poll figures estimates that party seat levels, should such national support trends be replicated in an actual general election, would be as follows: Fianna Fail 37, Fine Gael 49, Sinn Fein 34, Labour Party 8, Independents and Others 30
“BURTON BOUNCE” DISSAPPEARS!
On August the 17, the Sunday Times reported a Behaviour and Attitudes Poll Outcome. It gave Labour 14% a rise of 6%! I have explained below the misleading nature of the poll in current circumstances due to inappropriate “adjustments”. The Red C poll published in Sunday Business Post on Sept 15 gave Labour an outcome of 8%. The Burton bounce has dissappeared though the Dáil was in recess!
Red C applies adjustments similar to B&A which favour parties which did well in last GENERAL ELECTION(2011)
Because of changing political circumstances, I have suggested that the professional polling bodies insist that the raw or unadjusted vote be published by polling companies. B&A does this. But Red C provides a “core” vote after eliminating those least likely to vote.This left 10% undecided in RED C. I have ESTIMATED the equivalent raw vote for RED C assuming that the actual number of those not expressing a preference was the same as in the B&A Raw Vote at 19% .
RED C September 15
Sept 15
Red C Equiv Raw Vote FF 15 FG23 Lab 6 SF 19 Others 19, Undecided 19
Aug 17
B&A Raw Vote FF 15 FG 18 Lab 7 SF 22 Others 19 , Undecided 19
RTE failed to mention that these polls are subject to a margin of error of plus or minus 3% for 95% confidence. This allowed them to report a boost for the government
There may be no difference in fact between the B&A and Red C Polls above and the previous Red C poll published on June 30
For Example, adding and subtracting 3% from each score
FG Red C 20 to 26 B&A 15 to 21
SF Red C 16 to 22 B&A 19 to 25
There is overlap in each case
Constituency Level Analysis by Dr Adrian Kavanagh, political geographer, NUI Maynooth
“Good news for Fine Gael and Sinn Fein: Constituency-level analysis of the Sunday Business Post-Red C poll (14th September 2014) | Irish Elections: Geography, Facts and Analyses// // //
August 17
Sinn Féin Forge Further ahead in Poll
Sunday Times August 17, Behaviour And Attitudes Poll
Misleading Poll
The News headlines said Labour recover and “Burton Bounce”. But this is totally misleading.
In the behaviour and Attitudes poll in Sunday Times, Sinn Féin came first the Raw Vote at 22%. When undecideds were eliminated (As is done in Millward Brown, Sunday Independent)) Sinn Fein Led on 27%!!! After “adjustment” of data Sinn Fein came third at 19%!!!!
Labour got 7% in the raw vote and 9% when undecideds were eliminated. But the adjustment employed(and declared) by B&A gave Labour a figure of 14% !
The headlines would have been “Sinn Féin, now the largest party, Lead Fine Gael by a full 5 Points –Small Labour Increase” if the undecideds were merely eliminated!
Adjustment of raw data in the manner which was employed in stable political times is totally misleading in the course of a political earthquake. The last General Election is still raising the
Labour vote in B&A and Red C polls as can be seen from the adjustment notes supplied by B&A below and SF actually get less than they got in raw vote!
It isn’t that there is a conspiracy or a pro-active attempt by the polling company to distort the figures. The problem is that political assumptions which were valid during boom in stable political conditions are no longer valid. In particular, the assumption that voters will revert to parties they voted for in the last GENERAL ELECTION in similar numbers to previous reversions in General Elections is no longer appropriate. Political behaviour has changed hugely as evidenced by the recent local and European elections.
I believe that if current processes were seriously distorting the Fine Gael and Labour parties poll outcomes, as is now happening to Sinn Féin, the rules would have been changed as pro-establishment academics and journalists would already have pressurised the polling company and raised the matter publicly
B&A Poll August 17 Sunday Times
Raw Vote FF 15 FG 18 Lab 7 SF 22 Others 19 , Undecided 19
Excluding Undecided Only FF 18 FG 22 Lab 9 SF 27 Others 23
“ADJUSTED” FF 18 FG 24 Lab 14 SF 19 Others 24
Adjusted figures based on:
All who state they would definitely vote
Weighting of those respondents who give a definite answer as to who they would vote for in a general election
and who they voted for in the last election, in line with the result of the last election.
Making no adjustment to stated voting intention of those who do not indicate how they voted in last election.
June 12
LABOUR SINKS FURTHER TO 4% BUT SUPPORT EXAGGERATED IN PROCESSING???
RED C Poll June 12
FG 22% Sinn Féin 22% FF 18% Lab 4% Others 34%
Remember all agree (including Adrian Kavanagh) that Red C exaggerates Labour Support
If RED C has processed the raw data in the normal way, I believe that the actual number of respondents to the poll who said they would vote Labour in a general election could be as low a 20 respondents or 2%
Remember that the 12% “don’t Knows” mentioned in media does not include those who say they are unlikely to vote, normally 10% approx
As Labour got almost 20% in the last General election, typically 20% of the 10% who won’t vote are added to the raw Labour vote if RED C is using the Last General Election!
This is hardly realistic in current circumstances.
Labour could have got as much from this as it got positive votes! !
The Public should be given the “raw” data not what RED C regards as the “core vote”
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Political Earthquake Rumbles On!
Millward BrownPoll and Election Results Are Compared Below
It is to be expected that parties such as Sinn Féin which surged forward during the actual election would surge further forward in polls for a period thereafter. The Sinn Féin increase to 26% up over 10% on the local election performance in the poll is truly remarkable. Equally expected is a continued downward trend for parties such as Fine Gael and Labour who did badly in the election. Though the Labour drop is within the margin of error, the actual figure is at the boundary of complete marginalisation. The local election outcome has damaged the credibility of the Labour party and credibility is a huge factor in politics. As I pointed out earlier, the Labour Party in Local government is not only 100 seats behind Sinn Féin, but has a seat less than the combined labour movement left on local authorities. (Lab 51 seats, Combined Left 52 seats)
The drop in FF, FG, Lab could also be partially explained by traditional party supporters voting for individuals(neighbours etc) despite their party banner in the local elections. The European election results, where the vast majority were not voting for local figures, are much nearer the poll figures. But the increase for SF in the Poll is still remarkable in comparison to its higher the European election figure (19.5).
Sinn Fein voters were explicitly voting for the Sinn Fein Party in both elections and are assumed to be continuing to do so in poll. Transfers rates between Sinn féin candidates in the same local authority electoral area were much higher than transfers between candidates of the same traditional party.
Local elections% May 23 Actual
FF 25.3 Fg 24 SF 15.2 Lab 7.2 Others 28.3
Millward Brown Poll% June 7
FF 20 FG 20 SF 26 Lab 5 Others 29
European Election % May 23
FG 22.3 FG 22.3 SF 19.5 Lab 5.3 Others 30.6
“Dont Knows” have not yet become available in THE MILLWARD BROWN POLL
Wed June 4
Labour Party now in a Minority among Labour Movement Co Councillors
totals Labour Party 51 Non LP –Labour Movement 52
(there may be other independent councillors who regard themselves as part of Labour Movement)
Aligned Non-LP Left elected
Prople before Profit 14
AAA 14
WUA 1
Workers Party 1
Joan Collins TD 1
T Pringle TD 2
J Halligan TD 2
Catherine Murphy TD 3
Finian McGrath TD 1
Gannon “Gregory” IND 1
Non Aligned Left Elected
Kieran Perry Dublin 1
Eilish Ryan Dublin 1
Brendan Young(Kildare) 1
Joanne Pender(Kildare) 1
Lorna Nolan Ex SP Fingal 1
J Synnott Fingal 1
Paul Mulville Fingal 1
Declan Bree (Sligo) 1
John Gilligan (limerick) 1
Ml Kilcoyne Siptu Mayo 1
Paul Hand Dublin City 1
Catherine Connolly Galway 1
EX-Labour Party Independents Elected
Tom Fortune (Wicklow) 1
Cian O Callaghan Dublin City 1
Dermot Looney Dublin 1
Paddy Bourke Dublin city 1
Total Non-Labour Lefts 52
Explicitly Opposed to Coalition with FF/FG in principle 31+
Labour Losses 2014 Local elections—- New Geographical Distribution of Labour Seats
Labour Lost 81 County Council seats
Retained 51 County Council Seats
of which 23 in Dublin (Dl-Rathdown, Dublin City, Fingal, South Dublin)
(Co louth)Drogheda 2 Co Kidare 5 Co Meath 0 Co Wicklow 0
Total in Dublin and Dublin Commuter Belt 30
Rest of Ireland 21
Co Council Elections leave Labour with 51 elected Representatives
NO labour Councillor elected : Cork City, Clare, Meath, Wicklow, Co Galway, Sligo, Leitrim, Longford, Mayo, Monaghan, Offally, Roscommon,
One Labour Councillor Elected:
Tipperary, Waterford, Donegal, Laois.
Total Labour Co councillors in Munster 9
Total Labour TDs in Munster 9
Monday May 27
56% of Dublin electorate did not vote in Euro Election!
Sum of votes for traditional parties FG+FF+Lab is 35% of VOTERS!
But the earthquake in the actual election is greater than in polls! ! !
Only 15% of ELECTORATE voted for FF+ FG + Lab
The polls published before the election indicated that 30% of the ELECTORATE would vote for them.
There may well have been a significant abstention by voters for traditional parties in addition to the defections
Tuesday May 20
Earthquake Confirmed Nationwide-Tremor a little less outside of Dublin
Labour Wipe-out much Greater outside of Dublin
National Tremor a little less than in Dublin!!!
IPSOS/MRBI National Local Election Poll May 20 Irish Times
Base 1500 Error= +or – 2.6%
Including Dont Knows (30%)
FG FF SF Lab Others dont Know
16 16 13 5 20 30
FG+ FG+LAB= 37
Excluding Don’t Know
FG FF SF Lab Others
23 23 19 7 28
FF+ FG+ Lab = 53
The other big feature is confirmation of the Labour “wipe-out”
While regional figures are not yet available this often approximates to 10% in Dublin and 5% outside
The quota in a 9 or 10 seat ward is about 10%. Even in the bigger wards outside of Dublin, they will get very few seats.
SF should get two in the bigger wards and one in almost every other ward.
Many “others” will be elected despite their lack of political coherence
Monday May 19
Mainstream media is now taking up earthquake theme– — —
For the EU Election in the Dublin Region, I have now combined Millward Brown, Behaviour and Attitudes and IPSOS MRBI Poll in Irish Times to-day
The combination of three polls confirms the earthquake!
BASE 1500 Error +or- 2.6% 3 seats Quota 25%
Including Don’t Knows FF+FG+Lab =455= 30%
Excluding Don’t Knows FF+Fg+lab= 455= 40%
Candidate Scores
Excluding Don’t Knows
Voted 1125=75% Don’t Know 375= 25%
Boylan 22% Hayes 20% Fitzpatrick 12% Childers 11% Ryan 9%
Costelloe 9% Smith 8% Murphy 7% Others 2%
Boylan and Hayes are certainties.
Technically any of the others named could take the third seat. Despite the reduced error on the 1500 sample, they are very close together. If you subtract 2.6% from Fitzpatrick and add 2.6% to Murphy, the outcome is the same figure!
Second Preferences given by repondents are informative and indicative but very unreliable due to very small samples for each candidate. In practice the outcome is so finely balanced that factors such as location(eg Northside/Southside) and order of elimination could have a big influence..
The rates of actual transfer in the election between Smith and Murphy will be heavily dependent on how many, if any, Boylan needs to reach the quota. If Boylan is already elected it gives Smith/Murphy some chance.
My gut instinct is that Fitzpatrick and Costelloe will not make it because transferring to them requires a big political leap from the rest and from each other. Caution:I may be biassed!
I hope either Bríd or Paul makes it.
But if I were betting and in need of money, I would back Chlders. It is relatively easy for the rest to transfer to her.
The political earthquake is on track- – –
Sunday May 18, 2014
I have properly combined the B&A and Millword Brown Polls for the Dublin Region (not just by averaging the stated outcomes) which seek to predict the outcome of the election to be held next Friday.
The total offering a vote was 775 Dont Know 225
Probable Error is now down to +or- 3% as the combined sample is about 1000
REJECTION OF MAIN PARTIES
Including Don’t Know FF+Fg+Lab= 31%
Excluding Don’t Know FF+FG+Lab= 39%
Almost 70% of respondents when asked their voting intention DID NOT indicate for Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil or Labour!
This would have been inconceivable a short few years ago
Combined Outcome for Candidates excluding Dont Knows
Boylan 21% Hayes 19% Childers 12% Fitzpatrick 11% Costelloe 9% Ryan 9%
Smith 8% Murphy 8%
In Dublin (3 seats only) the quota is 25%
Clearly the socialist vote(Murphy,Smith) has improved due to campaigning(well done, keep it up!)
In one of the polls Costelloe (Labour) was down to 7% below both Brid Smith and Paul Murphy. At 9% in the Combined Polls Costelloe seems doomed. We can also take it that Labour has lost its seat in Dublin West and will do very badly in the local elections-even worse outside of Dublin where it depends on a more working class vote.
It will be difficult for Fianna Fáil to win a seat in Midlands Northwest. As Fianna Fail no longer constitutes a strong “cause” and the two candidates are widely seperated geographically, transfer rates will be very low. Failure of Fiann Fail to get a seat in the West of Ireland would surely herald an earthquake!!!
It is difficult to make sense of the Munster constituency as Brian Crowley is getting a very big non-Fianna Fáil vote. His surplus will scatter widely.
On the basis of all the polls it now seems probable that the outcome will be:
FG 4, SF 3,FF 1, Lab 0, Others 3
Note the tendency towards polarisation of political allegiances to the left and to the right which is common during prolonged economic and political crises.
Howlin,Labour Protects Super-Rich from Tax Rise
Statement Seamus Healy TD 087-2802199
Seamus Healy TD—Leaders Questions Thursday April 10 Listen Live http://wp.me/p1Uvd5-B0
Minister Brendan Howlin , Labour, holds the second most senior economic ministry.
At leaders questions, Seamus Healy TD took the Labour Party to task for bringing in regressive Budgets which hit the poor harder than the rich (See ESRI Report on recent budgets http://www.esri.ie/UserFiles/publications/QEC2013Win_SA_Callan.pdf)
The 2014 budget was more unfair to the poor than the FF/Green budgets. He sought the restoration of the respite grant for carers, cuts in home heating allowances and child benefit. He called for increased taxes on the 10,000 who earn on average 595,000 per year each (Minister for Finance, Michael Noonan in reply to a parliamentary question on Oct 3, 2012). Deputy Healy pointed out that the total gross financial assets of households (324 Billion) are now back above the peak 2006 level (Table 3 Institutional Sector Accounts Central Statistics Office 2013)
The bulk of these assets are held by the top 10% of the population (all those with mortgages and/or credit card debt have negative financial assets- houses, farms and business premises are not financial assets). Deputy Healy sought that a wealth tax be placed on very large financial assets of the super-rich.
The arrogant response of Minister Howlin (standing in for Eamonn Gilmore) was to describe the question as “drivel” and to accuse Deputy Healy of proposing “fantasy taxes” He suggested that an increase in income tax on those on 595,000 would not yield significant revenue (Conservative friends of the rich have been making this argument for centuries) . He claimed that the local property tax which leaves the financial assets of the wealthy untouched and applies to the unemployed was an adequate response.
Any reasonably numerate person can calculate that an extra tax on the total of 5.95 Billion earned each year by the top 10,000 income recipients and on the 324 billion in financial assets would bring significant extra revenue to the state. Howlin and the Labour Party do not want to listen. They attack the poor and those on middle incomes instead. That is why the Labour Party is heading for wipe-out and oblivion.
Seamus Healy TD
Irish Examiner Friday April 11 Juno McEnroe
Independent TD Seamus Healy yesterday called on the Government to introduce an asset or wealth tax in the next budget.
Speaking during Leaders’ Questions in the Dáil, Mr Healy pointed to ESRI findings that the last budget had the greatest impact on low-income groups.
Labour had reneged on election pledges in 2011 and cut payments for the vulnerable, including child benefit, he said.
“It made promises with full knowledge of the situation in 2011. The assets of the super rich are back above peak levels in 2006, according to the Central Statistics Office,” Mr Healy said.
He called on the Coalition to introduce a wealth tax on those who earn over €595,000 a year.
Brendan Howlin, the public expenditure minister, rejected his criticism and said the TD engaged in “fantasy” taxes.
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All Mortgage Distress Cases Not “Solvable” Despite Assurance by Taoiseach At Leaders Questions
All Mortgage Distress Cases Not “Solvable” Despite Assurance by Taoiseach At Leaders Questions
Thousands of people are in danger of losing their homes.
On Wednesday last, at Leaders Questions in The Dail, Taoiseach Enda Kenny said that if people engaged with their lenders all mortgage distress cases were “solvable”. Seamus Healy Td, who raised the matter, was accused of scaremongering about people losing their homes.
But for the second day in a row, the Taoiseach has been shown to be completely wrong. The Insolvency Service of Ireland (ISI) has to-day revealed that only a handful of mortgages have been restructured through the insolvency procedure over the 6 months since it came into effect. Seamus had pointed out to Enda Kenny several weeks ago that 30,000 householders would be unable to avail of the process because their incomes were below the minimum allowable expenses under the Insolvency Act. Now the advocacy groups for those in mortgage distress-Phoenix, New Beginnings, Flac and Irish Mortgage Holders Association- have confirmed that this is one of two major reasons that the system is failing. Many people have no money to give the bank. The second reason is that the bank has too much power under the act to veto settlements. So even if the householder has some money to pay the bank, most such householders cannot avail of it either. The system is not working.
Yesterday the Taoiseach told Seamus Healy that it was untrue to say that a house was being repossessed every day. Within two hours this was shown to be false at the sitting of the Oireachtas Committee on Finance. The Central Bank website showed that already almost two householders per day were losing their homes. This figure is to rise sharply as the number of repossession processes initiated in the second half of 2013 increased by a factor of six-from 565 to 33,000.
The government parties are trying to cover up the problem until after the local elections
Professor Ray Kinsella , Professor of Banking at UCD, has supported the view of Seamus Healy TD that the extent of repossessions of homes now in train constitutes a major crisis.
In his column in the Irish Examiner to-day Friday April 4, Professor Kinsella says:
“But there are also developments in the wider economy that impact on health, including mental health, that is left pushed to the outside of a policy calculus on UHI. A notable example is the exponential increase in housing repossession now under way and which will inevitably and inexorably impose the most severe levels of mental stress, and worse, on the health of tens of thousands of householders.
The Government knows this to be the case — the figures cited in the Dáil recently by Séamus Healy TD are truly shocking. TDs have repeatedly referred to the causes of this crisis and what needs to be done. Mainstream politics is in denial.”
A further raft of repossession cases will come before circuit court sittings in the coming week
ESRI Economic Forecasts-MUCH Worse than Weather Forecasts!
ESRI FORECASTERS AT IT AGAIN!
IRISH ECONOMY FORECAST TO GROW BY 3% PER YEAR FOR NEXT 10 YEARS
THERE WAS GOING TO BE “A SOFT LANDING” TO THE BOOM TOO!!
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The Economic and Social Research Institute infamously forecast a soft landing to the bubble!
Now it is forecasting a growth rate of 3% for the Irish Economy next year. The Institute has many professors and highly qualified staff. When challenged, Professor John Fitzgerald replied: “I never claimed to be infallible”. That was, of course, the last thing of which he had been accused! How could this high powered Institute get it so wrong? It wasn’t just a few percentage points out in the growth rate it denied the elephant was in the room when professor Morgan Kelly told it so?
It is understandable if not excusable that forecasters linked to finance houses and even newspapers habitually paint a rosy picture. Their employers have a vested interest in rising share values and higher levels of business.
But why The ESRI? It has no direct financial interest in over-optimistic forecasting.
True, the right to academic freedom conferred by the Universities Act does not apply to ESRI Academic staff. But then with the exception of UCD Professor, Morgan Kelly, none of the business/economics faculties covered themselves in glory either!
The ESRI and the business faculties are committed to the survival of capitalism and to the notion that, if regulated properly, it can function in the interest of humanity. This predisposes these institutions to give favourable economic forecasts. To them it is unthinkable that the system itself is the cause of misery to billions and will inevitably collapse.
But there are special factors predisposing the ESRI to cheer-lead the capitalist government in power and to reinforce its message.
The governing board has the following composition according to the ESRI website: “ESRI Council members are elected at the Institute’s AGM for a three year term. They represent a cross-section of ESRI members: academia, civil services, state agencies, business and civil society. Council Members: Laurence Crowley, Chairman of ESRI, Chairman, Gaisce; Frances Ruane, Director of the Institute (ex officio);Vani Borooah, Professor of Applied Economics, University of Ulster; John Buckley, former Comptroller and Auditor General;Patrick Honohan, Governor, Central Bank of Ireland; Paul Johnson, Director, Institute for Fiscal Studies, London;Michael Kelly, former Chairman, Higher Education Authority;Philip Lane, Professor of International Macroeconomics, Trinity College Dublin;Hannah McGee, Dean of the Faculty of Medicine and Health Sciences, Royal College of Surgeons;Padraig McManus, Chairman, Eircom; David Moloney, Department of Public Expenditure and Reform;Brid O’Brien, Head of Policy and Media, Irish National Organisation of the Unemployed ;Gerry O’Hanlon, former Director General, Central Statistics Office.
Is it possible to imagine a body more representative of the Irish elite or more linked to the government of the day?
Though there was overlapping membership between the board of ESRI and the Central Bank which failed in its duty to protect the solvency of banks, ESRI was not called bfeore the Banking Tribunal. This was obscured by a devilishly clever device. Professor John “The Soft Landing” Fitzgerald, retired from ESRI, volunteered to go before the Tribunal. His first sentence to the Tribunal was to the effect that he was not speaking for ESRI!! But this enabled tribunal members to refuse my request that recent directors of ESRI be called. The refusal was despite the fact that there was evidence before the tribunal that Central Bank had contacted ESRI Director to seek that statements about Irish Banking byan ESRI staff member on banking should not be repeated! The Irish elite know how to Circle the Wagons.
Furthermore a practice has arisen under which any candidate for election to the council at the AGM of the Institute must be PRE-APPROVED by the existing council!!!!. In other words the council is self-perpetuating!! I,Paddy Healy,then President of TUI and of Governing Body of DIT, was disqualified from contesting a position on the board when Proposed by ESRI member bodies TUI and DIT and supported by SIPTU because I “had not been pre-selected to be a candidate ” by the existing board!!!
Citizens are paying for this Institute through their taxes!
Clearly the Institute has no independence from the Irish establishment.
This arrangement must not continue. ESRI should be absorbed into a university so that the academic staff enjoy academic freedom-the right to publicly disagree with the management, the government and,indeed, academic colleagues
There is an interesting discussion on the failure of economic forecasting generally on Michael Roberts Blog:
http://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2013/12/24/the-failure-of-forecasting/
IRISH OPINION POLL ANALYSIS
Sinn Féin now 10% ahead of FG and 14% ahead of FF!
Sinn Féin support increases in B&A, Sunday Times, Poll
State of the parties:%
Sinn Fein 34 (+4)Fine Gael 24 (-4)Fianna Fail 20 (- 2)Independent/others 9 (+1)Greens 4 (-1)Social Democrats 4(+2)Labour 3 (-1)Solidarity/PBP 1 (NC)Aontú 1 (+1)
Sinn Féin now 10% ahead of FG and 14% ahead of FF!
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FIANNA FÁIL COLLAPSEIrish Examiner-“A number of Fianna Fáil TDs are considering not running for election again as disastrous poll figures appear to suggest the party will lose a significant number of seats in any future elections .Senior members of the party say morale in the organisation is at an all-time low after the latest opinion poll, which puts party support at 11% — and at just 7% for voters under 35.The party’s longest-serving TD, Willie O’Dea, says the polls are having a huge impact on the party. “The same Poll had FG 30% and Sinn Féin 29%
March 2021 Red C Poll– On the Basis of several recent polls, it has become clear that in the next general election Sinn Féin will fare better than in last election. But just how well could Sinn Féin do?
Sunday Business Post Poll %
FG 30, SF 29, FF 11, Independents 11, Green 5, Social Democrats 5, Labour 4, Solidarity/People before Profit 2, Aontú 2
Analysis
In the last general Election Sinn Féin polled 24.5 % and won 37 seats. Sinn Féin , in all probability, would have won some extra seats had it run second candidates in a number of constituencies Some left wing TDs were elected on the transfer of Sinn Féin surpluses. Fianna Fáil polled 22.2% and won 38 seats. In several recent polls, Fianna Fáil polled in the range of 14% to 11% nationally. If this trend continues, Fianna Fáil will lose a significant number of its 38 seats. The votes of FF candidates eliminated will become available on transfer. Though a substantial number of these transfers will go to Fine Gael, some will go to Sinn Féin. Where a sitting left wing TD comes behind the second Sinn Féin candidate, a significant number of the transfers will go to Sinn Féin. Though Fine Gael has improved since the last General election in which it Polled 20.9% 0f the votes and 35 seats, it cannot be excluded that Sinn Féin could become the party with most seats in the Dáil in the next General Election!
Irish Times MRBI Telephone Poll Feb 25, 2021
Margin of Error 2.8%
Serious Problems for Fianna Fáil and Labour Continue !
FG 30 -5
SF 28 -1
FF 14 -3
GP 6 +2
Lab 3 -1
SD 3 +1
SPB 1 NC
Aontu 1 NC
Ind/others 13 +5
Damian Loscher MRBI Irish Times Feb 25: With so much flux over the past 12 months, it is difficult to discern the differences between political waves that come and go and political tides that are likely to endure. That said, there are early signs of a Fine Gael (right) – Sinn Féin (left) axis emerging in Irish politics. This latest Irish Times/Ipsos MRBI poll shows two parties competing head to head, with one party appealing more to the middle classes (Fine Gael) and the other to working-class voters (Sinn Féin).
SUNDAY TIMES B&A POLL
SINN FÉIN LEAD OVER FG HALVED BY “PROCESSING” WITH ONLY “DON’T KNOW/NO OPINION” ELIMINATED AND NO FURTHER “PROCESSING” BY B&A
SF 37 FG 27 FF20 LAB3 GRN AND OTHERS 13
BY “PROCESSING” B&A GOT
SF 32 FG 27 FF22 LAB5 GRN AND OTHERS 14
Unlike Red C, B&A publishes a raw poll including don’t knows and undecideds. This enables the outcome above to be checked.
As in this case any party whose major support comes from the poorer half of the population loses out in “processing” by polling companies
The measures involved in processing to achieve final outcome by B&A can be found by clicking below
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Latest Red C Opinion Poll
Sinn Féin make big Gain on FG as Fianna Fáil and Labour Flounder
RED C Again Fails to Publish an Unprocessed Poll!
NC=No change Differences relative to October Poll
FG 33%-4, SF 30%+3, FF 12%+1, Independents 8% NC, GR 5%-1, SD 4% +1, Sol-Pbp 3% +1, Labour 3 % NC, Aontú 2% NC
Only figure from Raw Poll Undecided voters 15%-1
It is likely that Sinn Féin headed the unprocessed raw poll
Note that Social democrats are 1 ahead of Labour, SOl-PBP is equal to Labour and Independents are unchanged.
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Red C Poll: FF down to 7% in Dublin and 7% in Connaught/Ulster!!!
Poll in Rest of Leinster FF 13%
Poll in Munster FF 20%
A General Election quota in a 3seat constituency is 25% of votes
A General Election quota in a 4seat constituency is 20% of votes
A General Election quota in a 5seat constituency is 16.66 % of votes
ABC1= Richer Half of Voters
C2DE=Poorer Half of Voters
C2DE (%)
SF 39 FG22 FF 10 Ind 10 Grn 4 SD 5 Lab 4 Sol-Pbp 3 aontu 2
ABC1 (%)
SF 27 FG 44 FF13 Ind 6 Grn 6 SD 4 Lab 3 Sol-Pbp 2 aontu 0
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Electoral Regions
Dublin (City and County)
SF 30% FG36% FF7% Ind 6% Grn 8% SD 6 % Lab 4% Sol-Pbp 2% Aontu 0 Others 1%
Munster
SF 29% FG 23% FF20% Ind 14% Grn 4% SD3 Lab2% Sol-Pbp1 4% aontu 1%
Connaught/Ulster
SF38% FG34% FF 7% Ind 11%5 Grn 3% SD2% Lab 2% Sol-Pbp 0 aontu 2%
Rest of Leinster
SF27% FG 40 % FF 13% Ind 3% Grn 3% SD 4% Lab 4% Sol-Pbp 3% aontu 3%
(Because of smaller sample size in sub-divisions the margin of error is greater than that in the national sample)
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Latest Red C Sunday Business Post Poll-November
Huge crisis for Fianna Fáil
FG 37 Sinn Féin 27 ff 11 Ind 8 GN 6 SD 3 Labour 3 SBP 2 Aontú 2 Other Parties 1
Young and once-loyal older voters moving away from Fianna Fáil
Poll indicates some voters switching to Fine Gael, others to Sinn Féin, a number who are undecided, and a youth vote that must urgently be recaptured for Fianna Fáil’s long-term survival
Sunday Business Post 25th October, 2020
Fianna Fáil needs to find a way to connect with younger voters, for longer-term viability
A month on from the worst poll for Fianna Fáil since we started polling and things have not got much better for the party. Today sees just a small upward tick in its fortunes, while Fine Gael continues to make gains to record one of the highest first preferences recorded by the party. So, is it as simple as voters moving from Fianna Fáil to Fine Gael?
To some degree, there has certainly been a shift of voters from one to the other of the current coalition parties. According to today’s poll, Fianna Fáil has lost 11 per cent of the first preference votes it secured at the last general election. This is half of all first preference votes it got at GE 2020 just eight months ago, and means it currently stands at just 11 per cent.
At the same time, Fine Gael has benefited to the tune of an “extra” 16 per cent of the first preference vote since GE 2020, leaving the party securing a very significant 37 per cent in today’s poll.
In our polling we make sure we have the right proportion of people who voted for each party at the last general election, which means we have a good base to examine how those who voted at the last election for each of the parties, are now thinking of voting.
From this analysis, the switch in support between what were historically the two largest parties is in part due to a straight transfer of support, with a significant one in four of the potentially lapsed Fianna Fáil voters switching directly to Fine Gael. But this does not explain all of the transfer of votes.
Another one in five (18 per cent) of those who voted for Fianna Fáil at the last election are currently undecided about how they would vote. This move to being undecided rather than expressing support for another party tends to suggest that the voters could be more easily won back. In our internal analysis, if just one in three of those went back to the party, support would be back up at around 13-14 per cent of the first preference vote overall. Not where the party wants to be, but certainly a better base than the topline poll figures suggest.
Finally, Fianna Fáil is also losing voters to Sinn Féin, with another 13 per cent of those who voted for the party at the last general election now switching allegiance.
The voters that have moved away from Fianna Fáil appear to be more in younger age groups, where the party was already finding it difficult to gain traction. In fact, the party‘s support in the under-35-year-old age group now stands at just 8 per cent, down significantly since the last election.
This coincides with poor support in Dublin, where there is a higher proportion of younger voters anyway. The party is at just 7 per cent support in Dublin, putting it in third place behind the Green Party, and only just ahead of Labour.
However, perhaps even more worrying is the drop in support among what has been the party‘s loyal base up to now, that being those in the older, over-60 age group. The party vote at the last election was heavily underpinned by older voters, with about two-fifths of all its voters being over 60. However, recent polls have seen support among this core group also seep away, with a drop of 10 per cent in total first preference vote among these older voters.
All in all, another poll that isn’t pleasant reading for Fianna Fáil, but digging beneath the topline numbers suggests it could be slightly better if they can win back some undecided voters. A greater worry is the fall-off in loyal older voters that appear to have moved more so to Fine Gael, and one might argue these could be won back once the Covid-19 situation subsides. Fundamentally, however, the party needs to find a way to connect with younger voters, for longer-term viability.
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Irish Times MRBI POLL OCT Green Slump
Irish Times: The state of the parties, when undecided voters and those unlikely to vote are excluded, is as follows: Fine Gael at 35 per cent (down two), Sinn Féin at 29 per cent (up four), Fianna Fáil 17 at per cent (up three), Greens at 4 per cent (down eight), Labour at 4 per cent (up two) and Independents and small parties are on 11 per cent (up one).
Change Since June Poll
FG SF FF Green Lab others
35(-2) 29(+4) 17(+3) 4(-8) 4(+2) 11(+1)
B&A Poll for Sinn Féin was even better before Adjustments!!!
B&A Poll 20/09/2020 https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Unadjusted (Except for elimination of don’t knows)
SF FG FF Lab Gr&Others38 32 16 2 13
Adjusted by B&A. Adjustment in Brackets
SF FG FF Lab Gr&others
32(-6) 30(-2) 19(+3) 3 (+1) 17(+4)
Sunday Times B&A Poll The poll surveyed more than 900 voters over 12 days up to last Tuesday.Sunday TimeWhile the changes are all within a margin of error of 3.3%, the poll indicated that compared to the last B&A poll, Sinn Féin is up 2 points to 32%; Fine Gael is up one point to 30% support; while Fianna Fáil is down one point to 19%.The Greens are down one to 5%, while Labour remains unchanged at 3%.The Social Democrats are unchanged at 1%, while Solidarity/People Before Profit also remain at 1%.This level of support for Fianna Fáil, from a survey that was conducted in face-to-face interviews, is almost double the 10% finding in an online RedC poll for the Business Post last weekend. This does not necessarily mean that there has been a real change in support. Different approaches to similar data can give very different results. Also In the B&A poll, Sinn Féin replaces FG as the leading party
Red C Poll Sunday Business Post Sept 13, 2020
https://paddyhealy.wordpress.com/2013/10/27/irish-opinion-poll-analysis/(opens in a new tab)
FG 35 Sf 27 FF 10 Inds 10 Greens 6 Labour 3 SD 4 S/Pbp 2 Aontú 2 Other Parties 1
Poll: Fianna Fáil fades in office as Fine Gael holds strong
Support for Fianna Fáil stands at 10 per cent in the latest Red C poll, down from 15 per cent last May before Micheál Martin became Taoiseach. This is the party’s worst-ever showing in a Red C poll
Political Editor
The latest Business Post/Red C poll shows that the support level for Fianna Fáil has dropped from 15 per cent in May, before they entered office, to 10 per cent now. This is Fianna Fáil’s worst ever result in a Red C poll. Even during the bailout years, the lowest it dropped to was 15 per cent in early 2011.
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Irish Mail on Sunday Poll
Fianna Fáil Down 11% Since General Election
FG and Sinn Féin Now The Two Big Parties
Ireland Thinks Poll for Irish Mail on Sunday Aug 23 in comparison with last published Poll
FG35%(-3) SF30%(+4) FF11%(-1) GN 3%(-4) Lab5%(+1) SD5%(+1) SPBP 2%(-1) Aontú 2% NC Ind and Others 7%(+1)
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Irish Mail on Sunday Poll June 21
FF At Less Than Half Sinn Féin Vote!!!
FG34 SF27 FF13 GRN8 LAB4 SD3 SOL/PBP2 IND10
In Comparison with poll in Irish Mail on Sunday in May
Independents up 4%, GP up 2%, no change for SF and FG and FF slightly down. All others as it was.
In Comparison with General Election 2020
FG +13, SF +2, FF -9, Gn +1 Lab NC, SD NC, Sol/PBP-1, Ind -2
GE 2020 FG 21 , SF 25, FF 22, IND 12, GN 7, Lab 4
S D 3 Sol/PBP 3 , Aontú 2
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May 30 RED C Poll highlights Lasting Damage to Fianna Fáil and Labour Party
Note poll among Poorer Half of Population shows 42% for Sinn Féin, 12% for Fianna Fáil and 3% for Labour Party and 24% for Fine Gael
RED C May 30 On-Line Poll
After Elimination of Don’t Knows and “Processing”
Margin of Error 3% ?
This outcome is almost identical to the previous poll
FG35 SF27 FF15 IND 7 Greens 5 Social Democrats 4 Lab 3 Sol-PBP 2 Aontú 1 Other 1
Poorer Half of Population Social Categories C2DE
FG 24 SF 42 FF 12 Ind 10 Green 2 Social Democrats 2 Lab 3 Sol-PBP 2 Aontú 2
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AS Red C does not provide the raw figures (actual response to poll), it is impossible to evaluate the full significance of the poll. https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
The scores below are the outcome of processing the original poll findings. These processes are set out on Red C website.
In addition to the lift for Fine Gael, it is significant that SF is up 3% on its General Election poll and now 10% ahead of Fianna Fáil, though it must be remembered that this increase is within the margin of error.
In comparison with General Election score %
FG 34 +13 , SF 28 +3, FF 18 -4, IND 5 -7, GN 5 -2, Lab 3 -1
S D 3 NC. Sol/PBP 2 -1, Aontú 2 NC
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B&A Poll:Satisfaction Ratings: McDonald Sinn Féin at 54%,
Sunday March 15
Party Leader Satisfaction Rating https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
McDonald (SF) 54%
Eamonn Ryan (Gn) 44%
Martin (FF) 37%
Howlin (LAB) 31%
Varadkar (FG) 31%
Satisfaction with Government 25%
In the unadjusted raw poll “UNDCIDEDS” were again at 13% as in February, which is about half the usual level. This means that the vast majority of the population are politically engaged.
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March B&A Poll https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Social Category C2DE (Poorer half of Population) %
SF43 FF 17 FG 11 Lab2 Greens/Independents/All others 12 Don’t Know/Will not vote 14
After Don’t Know/Will not vote were eliminated %
SF50 FF 20 FG 13 Lab2 Greens/Independents/All others 14
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Again This Month, Sinn Féin’s Share of the Vote was 42% not 35% in B&A Poll !!!! https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
B&A Poll March 15
As in Previous B&A Poll, The adjustments have favoured FF, FG and understated Sinn Féin
% After “Undecideds” Eliminated but unadjusted by B&A
SF 42 FG 19 FF 18 Lab 2 GN/Allothers 19
Again Sinn Féin polled more than FG and Fianna Fáil COMBINED
March 15 B&A Poll
Regions:
Dublin
SF:35% (-1), FG: 25% (+8), FF:15% (+2), GRN: 9% (+2), S-PBP: 5% (-3), LAB: 4% (-2), SD: 2% (-2), WP: 1% (+1), AON: 0% (-1), IND/OTH: 4% (-4)
Leinster
SF: 35% (-5), FG: 20% (+5) FF: 20% (-2) GRN: 8% (+2) LAB: 4% (nc) SD: 3% (+2) S-PBP: 1% (+1) WP: 1% (+1), AON: 1% (nc), IND/OTH: 7% (-4),
Connaught Ulster
SF: 32% (+4), FG: 25% (-3), FF: 20% (+3) S-PBP: 3% (+2) GRN: 3% (-3) SD: 2% (-1), LAB: 2% (+2), IND/OTH: 13% (-4)
Munster
SF: 38% (+4), FF: 23% (-2), FG: 17% (+1), S-PBP: 3% (+3) GP: 1% (-4) LAB: 1% (nc)
SD: 1% (nc), AON: 1% (nc), IND/OTH: 15 (-2)
AGE Cohorts
Sinn Féin and the Left have an overwhelming majority among young voters
There is a marked difference between the outcomes among the youngest cohort and the oldest cohort. Among the youngest cohort, 18 to 34 years, Sinn Féin and the left have a an overwhelming majority. Sinn Féin + Sol/PBP alone have 60%. Given that the 3 Independents for Change TDs are among the IND/Oth in the list below, it is safe to say that SF +The Left have TWO THIRD OF The younger vote. FG +FF have less than one quarter of the younger vote!!!
Age: 18-34
SF: 53% (+1), FG: 14% (nc), FF: 10% (-3), S-PBP: 7% (+3), GRN: 4% (-2), SD: 1% (-1)
LAB: 1% (-1), IND/OTH: 10% (-3)
Age: 35-54
SF: 36% (+1), FF: 19% (+1), FG: 17% (-1), GRN: 8% (+1), LAB: 4% (nc),
SD: 2% (-1), S-PBP: 1% (-1), WP: 1% (+1), IND/OTH: 12% (-1)
Age: 55+
FG: 31% (+10), FF: 25% (-1), SF: 23% (-3), GRN: 4% (-1), LAB: 3% (nc), S-PBP: 2% (nc)
SD: 1% (-1), IND/OTH: 11% (-4)
Obviously higher MOE (>5%) with breakouts like this.
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Sinn Féin’s Share of the Vote was 42% not 35% !!!! https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
February:In the Unadjusted Raw Poll (Core Vote) Sinn Féin got 7% more than FF and FG COMBINED
From B&A Website
Raw Poll “Core Vote”
SF37 FF 16 FG 14 Lab2 Greens/Independents/All others 18 Undecided 13
Eliminating “undecided”
SF 42 FF 18 FG16 Lab 3 Greens/Independents/All others 21
Result Adjusted by B&A
SF 35 FF 20 FG 18 Lab 3 Greens/Independents/Others 24
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Satisfaction Ratings: McDonald over 50%, Martin 31% DOWN 15% in B&A Poll
Sunday March 1
Sinn Féin soar to to 35% up 10% on General Election in Sunday Times B&A Poll https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Margin of Error 3.3%
SF 35 +10, FF 20 -2, FG 18 -3, Green 6 -1, Lab 3 -1, Sol/PBP 3 No Change, Soc Dem 2 -1, Aontú 1 -1, IND/Others 10 -3.
BUT RTE NEWS SAYS Sinn Féin “Consolidated ” its position despite huge jump in support
B&A Poll https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Social Category C2DE (Poorer half of Population) %
SF41 FF 15 FG 12 Lab2 Greens/Independents/All others 15 Don’t Know/Will not vote 14
After Don’t Know/Will not vote were eliminated %
SF48 FF 17 FG 14 Lab2 Greens/Independents/All others 17
Region
Sinn Féin’s strongest region was Rest of Leinster (outside of Co Dublin) where SF got 48% of the votes after Don’t Know/Will Not Vote were excluded . It’s second strongest support region was Dublin City and County where Sinn Féin led with 44% support.
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Before Election
RED C Poll Feb 2: SINN FÉIN 24% FIANNA FAIL 24% Fine Gael 21%, Green 7%, Lab 5%, All Others 19%
The poll, which was taken over six days up to last Thursday, indicates that Fianna Fáil is on 24% support – a drop of two points on the last comparable poll earlier this month.
The biggest shift in support is for Sinn Féin, which is up five points to 24% – and follows an 8-point increase in the previous poll.
Fine Gael drops two points with party’s support now gauged at 21% – that follows a 7-point drop in the last poll.
The Green Party is down one to 7%, while Labour is up one to 5%.
Independents are down two to 12%.
The Social Democrats are unchanged at 3%, with Solidarity-PBP down one to 1%.
Aontú is on 2% support according to this poll – up one point.
Other parties are listed as having 1%.
There is a margin of error associated with this poll of plus or minus 3%.
——————————————————————–Fine Gael in Third Place Behind Sinn Féin in Second Place in London Times Poll https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
FF 23 SF 21 FG 19 Green 10 Lab 5 Soc Dems 5 Sol/Pbp 5 Others 11
Senan Moloney, ‘The Times’, February 1:
Make no mistake, this poll is seismic. And if replicated on this day next week, it would represent Sinn Féin’s greatest breakthrough in over a century.
Election 2020: Poll shows Sinn Féin heading for second place as Fine Gael falters
– ‘The Times’ (UK), Ireland section, February 1:
Sinn Féin has leapfrogged Fine Gael into second place as support for the government party declined, according to an opinion poll for The Times.
The poll is the latest to place Fianna Fáil in pole position, at 23 per cent, with only a week to go before the election next Saturday. Mary Lou McDonald’s party is the second most popular, at 21 per cent, followed by Fine Gael on 19 per cent.
Leo Varadkar’s party has placed Brexit and the economy at the centre of its pitch to be re-elected but the results suggest that the message is falling flat with voters. Fine Gael appears to have lost ground to the Greens, on 10 per cent, and other smaller parties.
The Social Democrats, Labour and Solidarity — People Before Profit were on 5 per cent each, while independents and others were on 11 per cent. Renua were on less than 1 per cent. People who said they didn’t know, 13 per cent, were excluded. The margin of error was 3 per cent.
The online poll was conducted by Panelbase, a UK company, between January 24 and 30, which was after the head-to head leaders’ debate on Virgin Media One, amid the seven-way debate on Claire Byrne Live on RTÉ One, but before the second seven-way debate on Thursday night.
The poll was also conducted during the controversy caused by Catherine Noone, the Fine Gael senator and election candidate, who The Times reported this week had described the taoiseach as “autistic”. Ms Noone has since apologised.
Panelbase has conducted regular polls for The Sunday Times in the UK for a decade. This is its first in Ireland so it is not directly comparable to previous Behaviour & Attitudes (B&A) polls in the newspaper. A representative sample of 1,019 Irish voters were asked for their views.
The support for Sinn Féin is broadly in line with other polls over the past month. A B&A poll on January 19 put Sinn Féin on 19 per cent, while an Ipos MRBI poll for The Irish Times the next day found the party had 21 per cent support. Support for Fine Gael, however, appears to have dropped from the 20-25 per cent range to 19 per cent over the past month. The government party regularly polled in the high 20s and low 30s last year.
Almost 60 per cent of voters said that they had “definitely made up their mind” about who to vote for but 41 per cent said that their decision could change. There were 13 per cent who said that they did not know who they would vote for, suggesting that the final week of the campaign could be crucial.
When asked about satisfaction with the party leaders, Ms McDonald came out on top, with 34 per cent saying that she was doing a good job, followed by Mr Varadkar, on 33 per cent, Micheál Martin, the Fianna Fáil leader, on 31 per cent, the Green’s Eamon Ryan on 27 per cent and Labour’s Brendan Howlin on 15 per cent.
Just over 40 per cent thought that Mr Varadkar was doing a bad job compared with 35 per cent for Mr Howlin, 33 per cent for Mr Martin and 30 per cent for Ms McDonald. The remainder didn’t know or were indifferent.
Health, housing and the cost of living were named as the top three most important election issues, followed by the environment, pensions and the economy. Only 3 per cent of respondents said that Brexit was among their top three issues when deciding which way to vote.
When asked which party voters trusted most to manage the economy responsibly, Fine Gael came out on top at 23 per cent. They were followed by Fianna Fáil on 15 per cent, Sinn Féin on 11 per cent, Labour on 4 per cent while both the Social Democrats and Solidarity — People Before Profit were on 3 per cent.
Election 2020: Shock poll shows Sinn Féin are poised for power
– Senan Moloney, ‘The Times’, February 1:
Make no mistake, this poll is seismic. And if replicated on this day next week, it would represent Sinn Féin’s greatest breakthrough in over a century.
Mary Lou McDonald and her party are heading for government, and soon, if not this time around.
It was on December 14, 1918, that old Sinn Féin swept the board across Ireland and consigned the Irish Parliamentary Party to oblivion. That was, ironically, the last time a general election was held on a Saturday in Ireland.
The poll, carried out by Panelbase for The Times, puts Sinn Féin in second place on 21 per cent support; the very stuff of Republican dreams. It emulates a previous 21 per cent rating found by an Irish Times poll last month.
But sweeter still is consigning their bitter enemies in Fine Gael to an embarrassing third place, meaning that the Sinn Féin day — always coming, according to their Irish-language slogan — has more or less arrived.
It is no less a breakthrough for Ms McDonald and her “clean-hands” comrades than the post-1916 sampling of national sentiment a century ago.
There are a number of rather large caveats that must be taken into account. Online polling is the norm in the UK, but it is new to Ireland and this is the first opinion sample of its kind. Also, the gap between Fine Gael and Sinn Féin is within the 3 per cent margin of error, meaning the Republican party could easily finish in third place when the votes are counted next week.
Sinn Féin also has a habit of polling higher than its eventual result, a trend that was seen in the 2016 general election when the party received just under 14 per cent of the vote, despite polling between 16 and 21 per cent at different times throughout the year.
But if the poll proves accurate then Sinn Féin will have stolen support from the two big parties, whose support is down from late last year as measured by other polls. Its 21 per cent, to 23 per cent support for Fianna Fáil and just 19 per cent for Fine Gael, demonstrates that it is poised to become the lead party of a left-wing government in the very near future.
For the two big traditional parties to come together in a so-called “grand coalition” in post-vote negotiations on government formation will only further play into Sinn Féin hands. Theirs has always been a long game.
And it is a long time since their Long War. The first IRA ceasefire was in 1994, before being formally re-established again three years later.
A generation has passed. Sharing power in the North has been set against prolonged political quarantine in the South for perceived past misdeeds.
Again, if replicated on polling day, the seizure of the second-highest share of the first preference vote in the Republic would represent the people telling the politicians that the period of de-lousing is over. And that’s despite Sinn Féin having in its outgoing political ranks a man wanted in Britain on 50 counts of alleged murder.
Ms McDonald, 50, seems to have won over many women, her no-nonsense scolding of the senior men in the “conservative parties” seeming to have touched a distinct chord.
Her pitch is also playing with frustrated young commuters and the stretched city renters of the middle class. Many of Mr Varadkar’s early risers seem to have gone over to the party of simply the Rising, that outbreak having been labelled the “Sinn Féin rebellion” in the British press of the time.
This, however, has all the hallmarks of a bloodless revolution, consisting of persuading voters who see themselves as missing out that it is the very definition of folly to vote for either of the big two that dominated the last century here, while expecting anything to significantly change.
The other salient feature of this poll is that it guarantees a hung Dáil. In 2016 it took months to put together a ruling arrangement though confidence and supply, and that was before the British referendum on Europe. There are obvious perils now.
The Greens will form a significant seat bloc on 10 per cent, with Labour half their size at 5 per cent, less than a quarter of Sinn Fein support.
Our sample results also show the Social Democrats and Solidarity/People Before Profit each on 5 per cent, unusually high in comparison with polls over the last year, but possibly reflecting Róisín Shortall and Richard Boyd Barrett’s able performances in the first seven-way debate, which fell within the week-long polling timeframe to Thursday of this week.
Those questioned were balanced statistically for age, gender, geographical distribution and income. But the overall results exclude don’t knows, and the findings indicate that only 59 per cent of voters are unshakeable in their intentions. Fully 41 per cent concede they may change their minds when the pencil hovers over the paper.
One in eight (13 per cent) of those likely or very likely to vote say they are currently undecided, but it is traditionally on the last weekend of a campaign, ie this weekend, that many make up their minds.
In the past, the main political parties haughtily discounted one third of Sinn Féin’s poll numbers, understanding that many of those asked their opinion knew that a claimed radical allegiance would upset the establishment, while others were too apathetic or beset by problems to get to the polls. That looks a distinctly forlorn hope this time around.
Sinn Féin is about to go mainstream.
——————————————————————–Poll of Polls https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
https://www.rte.ie/news/election-2020/2020/0127/1111284-poll-of-polls-ff-lead/
Michael Marsh, Emeritus Professor, Trinity College Dublin
The three polls taken this month, the last two since the election was called, provides the basis for this update. All three agreed in suggesting a decline in Fine Gael support, leaving it clearly behind Fianna Fáil, and an upsurge in support for Sinn Féin.
Fianna Fáil’s lead over Fine Gael is something we have seen on numerous occasions since the 2016 election, but most instances were before the change of leadership in 2017. However, in 2019 the lead switched from poll to poll and the last four have shown a lead for Fianna Fáil.
While Fianna Fáil may now be winning the battle to be the biggest party, the combined figure for Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael is now barely above 50%, lower even than we saw in the 2016 election.
It exceeded 60% on occasion in late 2017, prompting some to suggest the party system was returning to what was once normal but those days are long past.
I provide a Poll of Polls figure in the table below along with seat projections based on these numbers.
As it stands, Fianna Fáil looks as if it will be the largest party, but that it would be hard pressed to construct a government with Greens and centre-left parties.
The table also shows the polling averages for January, which suggest that the longer-term basis of the poll of polls estimate is a little low for Fianna Fáil and Sinn Féin and a little high for Fine Gael.
However, neither set of estimates suggest an easy path to government formation in the days after the result is known.
General Election 2020 Prof Michael Marsh TCD
% Predicted Seats
FF 26.6 50 (+6)
FG 23.7 41 (-9)
SF 19.0 34 (+11)
Green 7.3 9 (+7)
Lab 4.9 6 (-1)
Sol/Pbp 2.2 1 (-5)
Soc Dems 2.0 2 (-1)
Ind/Others 14.4 16 (-7)
————————————————————-Third Poll Irish Daily Mail Confirms Trend-SF 5% up, FG 6% down
FF: 27% (+2)
FG: 22% (-6)
SF: 20% (+5)
Green: 10% (+3)
Lab: 6% (+1)
SD: 3% (-)
S-PBP: 1% (-2)
Aontú: 1% (+1)
Others 10%
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New Poll: RedC Sinn Féin up 8, FG Down 7 since November!
Business Post Red C opinion poll. Taken over 7 days up to last Thursday.
FF 26% +2
FG 23% -7
SF 19% +8
Greens 8% +1
Lab 4% -2
Solidarity-PBP 2% (NC)
Social Democrats 3% +1
IND 14% -2
Aontú 1%
Margin of Error +\- 3% Last comparable poll was November 2019
————————————————————-After weekend B&A Poll, Another Good Poll for Sinn Féin
Another Bad Outcome for Fine Gael
MRBI Irish Times Jan 20 (Change in comparison to MRBI Poll October 2019) Sample 1200 MoE 3%
25 FF (NC) FG 23(-6) SF 21(+7) Gr 8(NC) Lab 5(-1) Others 18(NC)
Excluding undecided voters and those unlikely to vote, 25 per cent of respondents said they would vote for Fianna Fáil (no change), 23 per cent for Fine Gael (down six), 21 per cent for Sinn Féin (up seven), 5 per cent for Labour (down one), 8 per cent for the Green Party (no change) and 18 per cent for Independents and small parties (no change). The comparison is with the most recent Irish Times/Ipsos MRBI poll last October.
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Sinn Féin were 4% AHEAD of FINE GAEL in the Actual Responses to the B&A National Poll of Jan 19,2020
“Processing” by B&A Reduced the Sinn Féin Score by 5% https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Munster: Fine Gael sink to 13% which is 4 points Below Sinn Féin as FF soar to 49%!!!
The data carried below has been extracted from the Behaviour and Attitudes website banda.ie
GENERAL ELECTION 2020 B&A poll Jan 19
Raw Poll MoE 3.3%
FF 21 FG 14 SF 17 Lab 2 All Others+Gn 17 Undecided 28
Excluding Undecided
FF 29 FG 20 SF 24 Lab 3 All Others+Gn 23
“Adjusted” by B&A
FF 32 FG 20 SF 19 Lab 4 All Others+Gn 25 of which GN 7
Munster MoE 5%
FF FG SF Lab All Others+Gn
49 13 17 4 17
The attempt by Fine Gael in Government to commemorate the RIC as a body (not just casualties) has had a huge effect.
————————————————————-SIPTU and Sinn Féin must Lead at Least 50,000 marching on the street demanding provision of adequate housing for all as a Human Right!!! I will be counting the contingents on the next national Housing demonstration!!!!
Sinn Féin have over 100 elected representatives in the 26-counties including 81 councillors in addition to its TDs, senators and an MEP . A SF mobilisation of 1,000 is less than 10 people per elected representative. A determined mobilisation by Sinn Féin would deliver 10, 000 behind the Sinn Féin banner. Any number significantly less than this, would be mere posturing.
SIPTU has about 200,000 members , the vast majority in the Republic of Ireland. A determined mobilisation of SIPTU members and their relatives and friends would undoubtedly put 15, 000 on the Streets of Dublin on a Saturday afternoon.
Other Trade Unions, Other Political Organisations and Other Community Organisations could bring the number on the March up to 50,000 by contributing proportionately.
For example there are 70,000 teachers, lecturers instructors who are members of teaching unions-INTO, TUI, ASTI, IFUT. 5000 members and relatives behid teacher banners would be a proportionate contribution.
Why has this not happened already???
The fundamental reason that SF may get a lower number of seats than predicted by the B&A Raw poll is that SF may have a proportionally lower turnout than FF and FG. That is what B&A is mainly correcting for in its adjustment downwards of the Sinn Féin score in the Final outcome from 23% to 20%. https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Since the water charges campaign Sinn Féin has failed to mobilise significant numbers on the streets on issues such as housing. Large mobilisations which force concessions, such as in the case of the water charges, give the citizens confidence and a feeling of their own power. This strengthens their hope that things could change and motivates them to vote for the parties organising the mobilisation. Failure to mobilise in big numbers is a large factor in low turnout for parties fighting for major change
For a start we need a weekend march that people from all parts of the state can join and which should number at least 50,000 outside Leinster House. For Sinn Féin, having over 20 TDs and a number of senators and a large number of councillors to turn up on a housing march with about a thousand behind the SF banner is worse than useless. It reduces the confidence of the rebelling citizens and encourages the government to continue with its policies without fear of damage. As I have done in the past, I will be counting the number behind the Sinn Féin and SIPTU banners on the next national demonstration and I will be circulating the figures!
(Sinn Féin have over 100 elected representatives in the 26-counties including 81 councillors in addition to its TDs, senators and an MEP . A SF mobilisation of 1000 is less than 10 people per elected rep. SIPTU has about 200,000 members , the vast majority in the Republic of Ireland)
All other political organisations and trade unions participating should be expected to contribute to the march in proportion to their size.
——————————————————————New Poll: Without “Adjustment” by B&A, Sinn Féin is less than Margin of Error behind FG!!!
B&A Poll December 2019 https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Raw Poll 934 Polled MoE 3.3%
FG 19 FF19 SF 17 Lab3 Green/others 15 Undecided 28
Eliminating Undecideds in Comparison to Nov B&A Poll
FG 26 (-2) FF 27 (+4) SF 23(+4) Lab 4(-2) Green/others 20 (-5)
Final “Adjusted” outcome Quoted by B&A
FG 27 FF 27 SF 20 Lab 6 Green/Others 20
After Adjustment by B&A for projected differential turnout by party in the next General Election including score in last General Election
FG 27 FF 27 SF 20 Lab 6 Gr/others 20
Score among Poorer Half of Population—Raw Poll MoE 5%
FG 15 FF20 SF 21 Lab3 GR/Others 11 Undecide/Will not vote 30
—————————————————————Fine Gael Losing Out on Transfers from Candidates being Eliminated
Warning signs for Fine Gael in byelection results-Stephen Collins, Irish Times
Comparison of Vote in 4 same Constituencies Combined –Paddy Healy
Combined 4 Bye-Elections 2019 % FG 20.2 FF 24.1 SF13.7 Lab14.2 Gn 10.3 Others 17.5
General Election 2016 % FG 21.2 FF 23.7 SF 14.2 Lab 9.2 GN 2.3 Others 29.4
(Labour did well on transfers) “There is a very different message on transfers for Fine Gael. The party’s candidates in Wexford and Cork North Central were in second place on the first count but their lead over the third-placed candidate in each constituency was steadily eroded and they ended up being overtaken in the final stages of the count.”-Stephen Collins. (Fine Gael came second on first count in 3 of 4 constituencies but lost out on transfers. Fine Gael was also second in Dublin Mid-West on first count-PH)
Stephen Collins Friday, December 6, 2019,
Contrary to immediate impressions the outcome of last week’s byelections showed very little change in the level of support for the three biggest parties in the Dáil since the last general election. What it did show was a dramatic increase in support for the Greens and a significant recovery by the Labour Party.
When the results of the four byelections are aggregated and compared with the outcome in the same constituencies in 2016 the stability of the vote won by the three biggest parties is remarkable. Fine Gael won 20.7 per cent of the votes cast last Friday, a drop of one point on its general election performance in the four constituencies.
Considering that the party has now been in office for almost nine years it was a solid if not inspiring performance but far from the electoral disaster so widely touted in the light of the party’s failure to win any of the available seats.
Fianna Fáil had a lot to cheer about, winning two of the vacant seats, but the party’s share of the vote last Friday was 24.7 per cent, not a whole lot different to the 24.1 per cent it achieved across the same constituencies in the general election. Still, the byelection victories were an important morale boost for the party and will inspire confidence among supporters that it can overtake Fine Gael in the general election.
Boost for Sinn Féin
The Sinn Féin vote at 14.1 per cent was even closer to its general election showing of 14.2 per cent. The party’s performance and particularly its strong showing in Dublin Mid West, where it won a seat, was an important boost for leader Mary Lou McDonald after the disaster of the local and European elections last May. It indicates that the party’s core vote is solid.
The standout performance in the byelections was the showing of the Greens, who won 10.6 per cent of the vote, a jump of eight points from 2016. The spectacular performance of Joe O’Brien, who won the party’s first ever byelection seat in Dublin North, showed that the party is in a great position to make significant gains in suburban Dublin and the surrounding commuter belt constituencies.
The respectable performance of the Green candidates in the other constituencies indicates that the party has the potential to win seats outside Dublin. The transfer-friendly profile of the Greens means that if their candidates get enough first preference votes to stay in the race they can attract significant transfers in every count and leapfrog other parties.
The Labour Party also had a good byelection outing even if the party didn’t win any seats. It pushed its vote up by five points since the general election to 14.6 per cent and it won more votes than Sinn Féin. George Lawlor’s strong performance in the party’s Wexford heartland boosted its overall tally but Duncan Smith’s showing in Dublin Fingal was also impressive.
One important factor helping Labour and the Greens was the sharp fall in support for Independents and the various hard left factions. If this is repeated in the general election it will have a significant impact on the outcome. The Greens generally benefit most when such candidates are eliminated but Labour will also be competing for transfers. In the last general election the party was transfer-repellent because of its participation in government but a stint in opposition has changed all that.
For instance, George Lawlor in Wexford was in third place in the first count, a good 1,500 votes behind Fine Gael candidate Verona Murphy. By the fourth county he had overtaken her and was in the final shake-up with the Fianna Fáil victor Malcolm Byrne.
There is a very different message on transfers for Fine Gael. The party’s candidates in Wexford and Cork North Central were in second place on the first count but their lead over the third-placed candidate in each constituency was steadily eroded and they ended up being overtaken in the final stages of the count.
Transfers
This is a real danger signal for Fine Gael. The byelections indicate that the party is capable of retaining the share of the vote it won in 2016 but that will not be good enough next time around as transfers from other candidates will be thin on the ground. To retain its position as the biggest party in the country it will have to increase its first preference vote over the last general election by a substantial margin.
Of course it would be a mistake to read too much into the byelections, particularly as the turnout was so low and voters were aware that the outcome would have no impact on the Government’s future. The general election will have a very different dynamic and a lot will depend on the nature of the campaign.
The 2016 general election was an example of how the mood of the electorate can be swayed once the election is under way. Micheál Martin had a great campaign in 2016 with his message that Fianna Fáil was the party of fairness. Leo Varadkar will be a very different kind of opponent than Enda Kenny. The Taoiseach showed genuine leadership skills when it counted, during the long drawn out Brexit process, but the election will be a very different challenge.
© 2019 irishtimes.com
——————————————————————% of votes for parties in all four bye-elections held on Nov 29 combined
Constituencies were Dublin Mid-West, Dublin Fingal, Cork Norh Central and Co Wexford https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
% FF 24.1 FG 20.2 Lab14.2 SF13.7 GnP 10.3 All Others 17.5
Some comments by Paddy Healy on these Figures
FF has the highest score
FF+ FG scores are less than 50%
If repeated in a state-wide poll in a general election, it would be difficult for any party to get an overall majority
None of the four bye-elections took place in in border constituencies in which Sinn Féin is stronger than in the state generally. Sinn Féin did particularly badly in the Dublin Fingal bye-election.
The Labour party did particularly well in the Wexford bye-election, scoring 20%. Wexford is the constituency of party Leader Brendan Howlin and a longstanding Labour Party stronghold.
——————————————————————–I have lost all confidence in IPSOS/ MRBI
These two results cannot be both correct:
October 20 https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Behaviour and Attitudes Raw Poll Dublin Only
SF 17% Undecided/will not vote 15% After Undecided/will not vote have been redistributed, Final outcome SF 20%
Just One Week Earlier
IPSOS/MRBI Dublin Only Final outcome after undecideds/will not vote have been redistributed SF 7%
Dublin only Sample Size 277 Margin of Error + or – 6%
Final Dublin outcome Ipsos/Mrbi 7% B&A 20%
B&A provides Genuine RAW(UNPROCESSED) POLLS on its website banda.ie
————————————————————-Reliable Behaviour and Attitudes Raw Poll Contradicts IPSOS/MRBI, gives Sinn Féin 17% in Dublin as opposed to IPSOS/MRBI Poll score of 7% given by it last week after it had eliminated undecideds-equivalent to about 5% in a Raw Poll! B&A Core Support (Genuine Raw Poll) Margin of Error 3.3% https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Sept FF 22 FG 20 SF 17 Lab2 Ind/others including Greens 15 Undecided 24
OCT FF 18 FG 21 SF 14 Lab3 Ind/others including Greens 18 Undecided 26
Dublin Only Margin of error 6.5% Raw Poll
Sept FF 21 FG19 SF24 Lab2 Ind/Others incl. Greens 19 Undecided/will not vote 15
Oct FF 16 FG26 SF17 Lab5 Ind/Others incl. Greens 20 Undecided/will not vote 16
Poorest Half of Population Categories C2DE Margin of Error 5% Raw Poll
Sept FF 22 FG 17 SF 22 Lab 2 Ind/Others incl. Greens 12 Undecided/will not vote 25
Oct FF 19 FG 15 SF 19 Lab 2 Ind/Others incl. Greens 16 Undecided/will not vote 28
Note Labour Score of 2 among poorer half of population!
It would appear that the new departure of including a cohort who say “my vote doesn’t matter” in “Undecideds” by IPSOS/MRBI has biassed its poll
—————————————————————-Sinn Féin on only 7% in Dublin in IPSOS MRBI OCTOBER Poll !! (This is Not Red C!)
Sinn Féin has 7 TDs in Dublin since 2016 General Election https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
National Poll FG 29% NC, FF 25% -1, SF 14% -2, GP 8% +4, LP 6% -1, Ind/Others 18% NC
Dublin Only FG 34 FF 19 SF 7 Lab 7 IND/All OTHERS Incl Greens, SDs, Sol-PBP, I4C etc 33%
Core Vote Before Don’t Knows/Undecideds/ My Vote Doesn’t Matter are excluded
FG 22%+1, FF 20% NC, SF 12% NC, GP 6% +3, LP 5% -1, Ind/Others 15% NC ,UNDECIDED etc 20% -3
The margin of error in the national poll is approximately 3% but because the Dublin Sample is smaller the margin of error in that measurement is about 5%. But even taking this into account the Sinn Féin vote in Dublin is very low.
Sinn Féin Regional Scores were
Dublin 7%, Rest of Leinster 19%, Munster 17%, Connacht-Ulster 14%
The Sinn Féin Dublin Score really stands out!!!
———————————————————-Labour on 2% among Poorer Half of Population-Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil on over 10 TIMES THE LABOUR VOTE
B&A Poll September https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Poorer 50% of Population (Categories C2DE)- Raw Poll
Sample Size 445 MoE 5%
FF 22 FG 17 SF22 Lab 2 Others(Incl Greens) 12 Undecided 25
—————————————————————Sinn Féin Core Vote Rises by 6% Since July
But Doubly Processed Red C Poll Downs Sinn Féin Yet Again https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh See Why Caution is Necessary In relation to Red C Polls Further Down
B&A Raw Poll Published September 22, 2019, by Sunday Times
FF 22 FG 20 SF 17 Lab 2
Others(Incl. GP) 15 Undecided 24
B&A Raw Poll Published July 21 ,2019 by Sunday Times
FF 22 FG 19 SF 11 Lab 4 Others(incl.GN) 20 Undecided 24
RED C Downs Sinn Féin Yet Again
September 2019 Claimed Margin of Error c. 3%
Final Score After Elimination of Undecideds and “Processing”
Red C B&A
FG 29% 26%
FF 28% 29%
SF 12% 20%
GP 7% 5%
LP 6% 3%
Others 18% Others 17%
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NB: Labour in Poorer Half of Poulation B&A June 20, 2019
Social Categories C2DE%
FG 15 FF 25 SF 12 Lab 2 Others(Inc.GN)19 Undecided 27
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B&A Raw Poll July 21 2019
Changes Since June 20 ( )
FG 19(+2) FF 22(nc) SF 11(+1) Lab 4 (+1) Others(incl.GN) 20(-5) Undecided 24(+1) https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
July Change since May -after local elections-( )
FG 19(-2) FF 22(-1) SF 11(-6) Lab 4 (nc) Others(incl.GN) 20(+5) Undecided 24(+2)
Poorer 50% of Population Social Categories C2DE
July 21-Change on June ( )
Social Categories C2DE%
FG 16(+1) FF 21(-4) SF 15(+3) Lab 5( +3) Others(Inc.GN) 18(-1) Undecided 26(-1)
————————————————————-B&A Raw Poll June 20, 2019
June 20 2019 All RAW %
FG 17(-4) FF 22(+1) SF 10(-7) Lab 3 (-1) Others(incl.GN) 25 (+10) Undecided 23(+1) https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
May 19 B&A Raw Poll
FF 21 FG 21 SF 17 Lab 4 GN/Others 15 Undecided 22
All the indications are that, since May Poll , FG lost to Greens and Sinn Féin to Others
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B&A Poll including Undecided FG 17 FF 22 SF 10 Lab 3 Others(incl.GN) 25 Undecided 23
Eliminating Undecideds from June Poll
FG 22 FF 29 SF 13 Lab 4 Oth( incl GN) 32 https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
After Processing by B&A (moving figures towards those achieved in General Election2016)
The final outcome given by B&A
FG 23% -5 FF 28% NC SF 12% -7 LP 5% +1 (others incl GN) 32
This poll combined with Local Election resutlts show that the rise of the Greens is not the cause of the decline of SF and Sol/PBPA in the local elections
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April 21 B&A Raw Poll
FG 22 FF 21 SF 16 Lab 4 GN/Others 13 Undecided 24
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——————————————————————–Exit Polls Labour Wiped
RED C Had FG 10 % ahead of FF in End Of April Poll! Completely WRONG
European Elections https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Exit Polls
European Elections
Green Cuffe Heads Poll in Dublin on 23%, Fitzgerald FG on meagre 14 %; FF Andrews on only 12%, Clare Daly and Lynn Boylan (SF) in contention. Alex White Labour Wiped 5%
Ireland South: Deirdre Clune FG MEP (9%) in Trouble to retain second FG seat, Only One FF seat, Green Grace O Sullivan on 12%, Liadh Ni Rada 13%, Mick Wallace 10% . Sheila Nunan Labour Wiped 3%
Local Elections
LABOUR COLLAPSE, FG and FF Down, Greens Surge, Independents Doing Well
Local Election Exit Poll RTE
Overall though, both FF and FG parties look to have dropped support and they each stand at 23%, the polling data indicates.
That figure is some way off what Fine Gael had in mind when it spoke about winning 50 extra council seats just a few weeks ago.
The Independent vote looks healthy on 15%,
Again, the big winners are the Green Party, which this poll suggests could hit the 9% mark.
That is some surge compared to five years ago when 1.6% support delivered 12 seats. This time the party has just over 80 candidates and major gains look likely.
Sinn Féin’s support is measured at 12%. That is down three points on 2014, but it is within the 3% margin of error.
Labour’s vote looks to have stagnated at 6%, which is bad news for the party as it hoped to breathe new life into its ranks in these elections.
The Independent vote looks healthy on 15%, while a plethora of smaller parties and groupings including Solidarity-PBP, Independents4Change and the Independent Alliance are all on 2%.
The Social Democrats is on 3% while the newest party, Aontú, is on 1%.
Green Cuffe Heads Poll in Dublin on 23%, Fitzgerald FG on meagre 14 %; FF Andrews on only 12%, Clare Daly and Lynn Boylan (SF) in contention. Alex White Labour Wiped 5%
Ireland South: Deirdre Clune FG MEP (9%) in Trouble to retain second FG seat, Only One FF seat, Green Grace O Sullivan on 12%, Liadh Ni Rada 13%, Mick Wallace 10% . Sheila Nunan Labour Wiped 3%
Local Elections
LABOUR COLLAPSE, FG and FF Down, Greens Surge, Independents Doing Well
Local Election Exit Poll RTE
Overall though, both FF and FG parties look to have dropped support and they each stand at 23%, the polling data indicates.
That figure is some way off what Fine Gael had in mind when it spoke about winning 50 extra council seats just a few weeks ago.
The Independent vote looks healthy on 15%,
Again, the big winners are the Green Party, which this poll suggests could hit the 9% mark.
That is some surge compared to five years ago when 1.6% support delivered 12 seats. This time the party has just over 80 candidates and major gains look likely.
Sinn Féin’s support is measured at 12%. That is down three points on 2014, but it is within the 3% margin of error.
Labour’s vote looks to have stagnated at 6%, which is bad news for the party as it hoped to breathe new life into its ranks in these elections.
The Independent vote looks healthy on 15%, while a plethora of smaller parties and groupings including Solidarity-PBP, Independents4Change and the Independent Alliance are all on 2%.
The Social Democrats is on 3% while the newest party, Aontú, is on 1%.
—————————————————————EVEN RED C HAVE FG DOWN 5 % in POLL To-day May 19 as Labour Electoral Disaster Beckons and Greens Surge
B&A Sunday Times Poll (After Undecideds have been eliminated) Margin of Error + or – 3.2%
FG 28(NC) FF 28(-1) SF 19(-2) Labour 4 (NC) GN 5(+4) IA 3(-1) PBPA 3(+2) Ind/Others 9 (-1)
B&A Raw Polls https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
May 19 B&A Raw Poll
FF 21 FG 21 SF 17 Lab 4 GN/Others 15 Undecided 22
April 21 B&A Raw Poll
FG 22 FF 21 SF 16 Lab 4 GN/Others 13 Undecided 24
As Margin of error is 3.2%, there is no significant change over the past month for FG, FF, SF, Lab. Other Data shows a significant increase for Greens within GN/OTHERS
The only significant change on the same poll published 3 weeks ago is the sharp rise in the Green vote. This has also been reflected in RED C Poll published in Sunday Business Post also to-day. Labour has fared badly in both polls
I would advise caution in relation to the figure for Independents who always do better in actual vote than in polls
As usual Red C has Sinn Féin a full 6 points below B&A score of 19%
But even RED C with its pro-rich in built bias has FG down 5%!
There will be a major crisis in Labour Party after this election. Irish Times had a full page article promoting Labour a few days ago!
The Green rise has stymied the Labour attempt to attract the caring middle classes while the ground in working class communities has beden colonised by Sinn Féin and small left wing parties. Replacing Howlin with Alan Kelly wouldn’t improve matters. Can trade union leaderships tolerate a situation where Labour has a quarter of the SF vote and the combined left is at least as big as Labour?
Great to see Lynn Boylan (SF) highlighting the threat to Irish neutrality in her campaign
————————————————————–Comparing Recent Raw Polls And Comments
How would You vote in a General Election ?
May 11 MRBI RAW POLL % Margin of Error 2.5% https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
May 11 FG 21 FF 20 SF 12 Lab 6 Ind/Others 18 Undecided 23
April 21 B&A Raw Poll % Sunday Times Margin of Error 3.3%
April 21 FG 22 FF 21 SF 16 Lab 4 Ind/Others 13 Undecided 24
Significant Changes over 3 weeks on May 11: FF and FG and Undecided -no change:
SF -4, Lab +2, Others +5
The Local Elections are now in full flow-less than a a fortnight away.
In actual elections, and even more so in local elections, the vote for independents and others always increases because there are many new independent and local candidates. The recent increase of 5% is to be expected. It is also to be expected that this would be largely at the expense of Sinn Féin who are very strong in the poorer areas in normal polls. Most of these votes will return on transfer after the first count. The small increase for Labour is less than the margin of error. But the small increase is to be expected. Labour is so low in normal polls, that the 111 Labour local election candidates standing could not fail to increase it’s votes. In fact an increase smaller than the margin of error is very disappointing for Labour . Many of their candidates are “no hopers” and their votes will transfer to non-Labour candidates after the first count
After undecideds are eliminated Labour is on 7%. In a 5 seat Local Authority Area a quota is 17%. There is a high probability of election if a candidate polled 70% of a quota on first count. That would require 12% approx. The largest electoral areas have 7 seats. Quota is 12.5%. 70% of quota is approx 9%.
On April 21 RED C Sunday Business Post had Fine Gael a full 10 Percentage Points ahead of Fianna Fail
May 11 MRBI Irish Times Poll Confirms the B&A Sunday Times Poll outcome which was published on same day as RED C Poll—-Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil are “neck and neck”. https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Sunday Business Post Must Take Responsibility For the flawed methodology of RED C
Compared with the last Irish Times MRBI poll in March, May 11 MRBI Poll was:
Fine Gael 21 per cent (no change); Fianna Fáil 20 per cent (up two); Sinn Féin 12 per cent (down four); Labour 6 per cent (up one); Independents/others 18 per cent (up three). Undecided voters 23 (down2)
There Was a Separate Local Elections Poll https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Is Irish Times MRBI LOCAL ELECTION POLL BEING SUPPRESSED BECAUSE IT SHOWS EVEN BIGGER LIFT FOR INDEPENDENTS AND SMALL PARTIES THAN THE GENERAL ELECTION POLL?? Political Editor of Irish Times, Pat Leahy :”Voters were also asked how they intended to vote in the forthcoming local elections. The results largely mirrored general election voting intentions, but with the gap between Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil even tighter and a higher level of support for Independents and small parties”
Details of the Local Election Poll haven’t appeared anywhere!
My above analysis of The General Election Poll is reinforced by this Comment From Pol Editor of Irish Times, Pat Leahy :”Voters were also asked how they intended to vote in the forthcoming local elections. The results largely mirrored general election voting intentions, but with the gap between Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil even tighter and a higher level of support for Independents and small parties. Asked for their reasons for voting for a particular candidate in the local elections, the most popular choice was because the candidate was “from the local area”. “
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Will RED C Be AS Far OUT In This Election as it Was in Euro 2014 Election-Let Us SEE!! SB Post can’t allow Red C’s wrong methodology to continue
Red C European Election 2019 April %
Red C: FG 33 FF 21 Sf 16 Labour 4 Ind 18 Others 8
2014 Euro-Election Outcome: FG 22.28% FF 22.31% SF 19.5% Lab 5.3% Others 30%
Red C: “The poll ratings give Fine Gael a strong chance of retaining two seats in the five-seater Ireland South constituency, where sitting MEPs Deirdre Clune and Seán Kelly are running with Minister of State Andrew Doyle”
RED C has Fine Gael 12% ahead of Fianna Fáil and 17% ahead of Sinn Féin in Euro Poll in Sunday Business Post Today!! Incredible!
We are expected to believe that FG will get 10% more than it got in 2014 when it elected 4 MEPS!
Though RED C normally exaggerates Labour Support the Euro Poll has Labour at 4%, one quarter of the Sinn Féin score.
As in 2014, complete wipeout of Labour is very probable https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Local Elections Labour Party Fields Less Candidates than in 2014-There are 137 electoral areas across the state
2019 The Labour Party has launched 111 candidates for the local elections
2014 189 Labour candidates are contesting these City and County Council elections for the Labour Party
Labour Party currently has 51 seats, having lost 81 in the last election
RED C Were Way Out in Euro Election 2014
Sinn Féin won 3 seats in the 26-counties heading the poll in Dublin
Euro Dublin Constituency Outcome SF 23.6% Lab 7.4%; Red C Prediction SF 15% Lab 13%
RED C Final Pre-Election Poll and Prediction 16/05/2014
Richard Colwell “Are Sinn Fein going to win seats in all constituencies?
While Sinn Fein poll relatively well in the three constituencies, it is not well enough to guarantee seats in any of the three constituencies. The main reason is that while first preference support for the Sinn Fein candidates is pretty much in line with their national standing, this is not enough to secure seats on its own, and the candidates are not as transfer friendly as other candidates they are competing with”—Red C Website
Sinn Féin headed the poll in Dublin and won seats in the other two constituencies
Euro Dublin Constituency Outcome SF 23.6% Lab 7.4%; Red C Prediction SF 15% Lab 13%
Euro Election 2014 Overall Outcome FG 22.28% SF 19.5%
FF 22.31 % Lab 5.3% All Others 30
——————————————————————-April 21-Both Polls Can’t be Right as Margin of Error Claimed is 3% in Both
But Difference Between Polls for 3 main parties is FF 6, FG 5, Sinn Fein 7
Red C was also way out in 2014 European Election
B&A Sunday Times Poll, April 21 (%)
FF 29 (+4), FG 28(-3), SF 21(+2) Labour 4(-1), Others 18 Margin of Erro r 3%
Red C S, Business Post Poll April 21 (%)
FF 23(-2), FG 33(+2), Sinn Féin 14(+1), Labour 5(NC), Others 25 Margin of Error 3%
RED C Was Way Out in Euro Election 2014
Sinnn Féin won 3 seats in the 26-counties heading the poll in Dublin
Euro Dublin Constituency Outcome SF 23.6% Lab 7.4%; Final Red C Prediction SF 15% Lab 13%
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Tracking Political Support Over Time in 2019
Raw Polls by B&A In First 4 Months of 2019-Totally Unprocessed
The only change that is greater than the 3.3% Margin of Error is the rise in support for FF of 5% between March and April 2019 which Brought FF Level with FG https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
April 21 2019 (%)
FF 22 FG 22 SF 16 Lab 4 Others 13 Undecided 24
March 20 2019 (%)
FF 17 FG 24 SF 17 Lab 3 Others 14 undecided 25
Feb 19 (%)
FF18 FG 22 Lab 3 SF 16 Others 14 Undecided 25
January 19 (%)
FF 20 FG 21 Lab 2 SF 18 Others 13 Undecided 25
Note that Undecideds continue at a high of 25%+
I carry here the B&A Raw Poll for the poorer half of the population for the first four months of 2019. https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
There has been no processing of these figures.
Bearing in mind that the margin of Error is 4.6% which is above the figure of 3.3% for a poll of a sample of the full population we not that:
- Between March and April the FF share rose from 16% to 23%, well above the margin of error. This is in line with the rise of the Fianna Fáil national poll by 5% in the same period which brought it level with FG. Note that FF had also been at 23% in January.
- FG has experienced no change in support in this cohort varying only between 16% and 18%
- The Labour Party scores 3%, 3%, 3% and 4%. This is a disastrous score for Labour,bearing in mind that this is a poll of the poorer half of the population. If repeated in the Local and European elections which are only a month away, it would lead to an electoral debacle
- Sinn Féin has been the leading party among this cohort in January, February and March 2019. Now in April it has been overtaken by Fianna Fáil. Its highest score of 24% occurred in January and its April score is 19%. This is a little more than the margin of error. Its average over the 4 months is approximately 20% ,WHICH IS 6 TIMES The LABOUR PARTY AVERAGE over the same period.
Tracking Political Support Among Poorer Half of Population in 2019 Social Category C2DE
Sunday Times Behaviour and Attitudes Poll Margin of Error 4.6% (Smaller Sample than for National Poll)
B&A April 2019 C2DE
FF 23 FG 18 Lab 4 SF 19 Others 13 Don’t Know 18 Wont Vote 6
B&A March 2019 C2DE
FF 16 FG 18 Lab 3 SF 21 Others 15 Don’t Know 21 Wont Vote 5
B&A February 2019 C2DE
FF 16 FG 16 Lab 3 SF 18 Others 14 Don’t Know 25 Wont Vote 8
B&A January 2019 C2DE
FF 23 FG 16 Lab 3 SF 24 Others 11 Don’t Know 17 Wont vote 7
—————————————————————– My January Post
Could Sinn Féin have dropped 7% in a week??? “Adjustments” are Completely Distorting Polls and Red C is the Worst!!
Red C Doesn’t even provide unadjusted raw poll results!!
Polls % Margin Of Error 3% (approx.) https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
After “Adjustments” by Red C and B&A
Red C January 27 FG 32 FF 22 SF 13 Lab 6
B&A January 20 FG 30 FF26 SF 20 Lab 4
B&A After “Undecideds” eliminated but Unadjusted
B&A January 20 FG 28 FF 26 SF 24 Lab 3 Others 18
———————————————————Sunday Times Feb 17, B&A Poll–Approval for Varadkar Fails to Recover from All Time Low https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Deep Dissatisfaction sets in with Taoiseach’s performance on Housing and Health
“There is deep dissatisfaction with the Taoiseach’s performance on housing and health. 82% of respondents to the poll were dissatisfied in both cases. About 58% were dissatisfied with the Taoiseach on provision of rural broadband. Just 23% were satisfied with 19% offering no opinion.” Stephen O’Brien, Political Editor, Sunday Times, Feb 17
In a separate article by Sunday Times Political Editor, Stephen O’Brien , it is stated that satisfaction with Varadkar on housing is only 12% and on health is only 14%. The article is titled “Falling out of Love with LEO”!!!
Jan 2019 B&A Poll Large Drop in Satisfaction with Government and with Leo Varadkar since December 2018––24% more of the electorate now dissatisfied rather than satisfied with Government!!!
Satisfaction Levels%
Dissatisfied with Gov 58% Undecided 8%
January 20, 2019 Satisfaction with: Government 34 Micheál Martin 42 Mary Lou McDonald40 Leo Varadkar 38 Brendan Howlin 38
Feb 17 B&A Poll. No Improvement in Rock Bottom Approval Rating for Varadkar-Tiny changes are much less than margin of error
Satisfaction Levels%–no change from January
Government 35 Michál Martin 43 Mary Lou McDonald 39 Leo Varadkar39 Brendan Howlin 39
Political Party Poll- There is no change since January as all changes are less than the margin of error of 3%
RAW POLL B&A Feb 19 (%)
FF18 FG 22 Lab 3 SF 16 Oth 14 Undecided 26
JAN B&A Poll %
Raw Poll
FF 20 FG 21 Lab 2 SF 18 Others 13 Undecideds 25
Note that Undecideds continue at a high 25%+
The January and February B&A Polls make nonsense of the RED C January 27 Poll-just 3 weeks ago
Sinn Féin continues to lead all parties among poorer half of population in Sunday Times B&A Poll
Social Categories C2DE Number of Respondents Polled 452 MOE 4.6% (Total Polled in Entire Poll 910)
Result % FF 16 FG 16 Lab 3 SF 18 Others 14 Don’t Know 25 Wont Vote 8
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Could Sinn Féin have dropped 7% in a week??? “Adjustments” are Completely Distorting Polls and Red C is the Worst!!
Red C Doesn’t even provide unadjusted raw poll results!!
Polls % Margin Of Error 3% (approx.) https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
After “Adjustments” by Red C and B&A
Red C January 27 FG 32 FF 22 SF 13 Lab 6
B&A January 20 FG 30 FF26 SF 20 Lab 4
B&A After “Undecideds” eliminated but Unadjusted
B&A January 20 FG 28 FF 26 SF 24 Lab 3 Others 18
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January B&A Poll–Large Drop in Satisfaction with Government and with Leo Varadkar–24% more of the electorate now dissatisfied rather than satisfied with Government!!! Again Sinn Féin is the only party reduced in “adjustments” after polling https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Note only 10% more were dissatisfied rather than satisfied with government last month, DEC 2018. It is now INCREASED TO 24%!!!
Satisfaction Levels%
Dissatisfied with Gov 58% Undecided 8%
January 20, 2019 Satisfaction with: Government 34 Micheál Martin 42 Mary Lou McDonald40 Leo Varadkar 38 Brendan Howlin 38
Dec 18 2018
Dissatisfied with Gov 51 Undecided 9
Dec 2018 Satisfaction with: Government 41 Micheál Martin 50 Mary Lou McDonald44 Leo Varadkar48 Brendan Howlin 39
Jan 20-Raw Poll Margin of error 3.3%
FG 21 FF 20 SF 18 Lab 2 Others 13 Undecideds 25
Eliminating Undecideds – relative to December
FG 28(-3) FF 26(-2) SF 24(+1) Lab 3(-1) Others 18(+4)
After Processing
FG 30 FF26 SF 20 Lab 4 Others 20
Poorer Half of Population
Categories C2DE Margin of Error 5%
FG 16 FF23 SF 24 Lab 3 Others 24
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B&A Poll December-What it Really Told US! B&A Should Give a Detailed Explanation of the unexplained large drop in SF vote due to “adjustments” made after polling
The Actual Real Results of Dec B&A Poll
Margin of Error 3.3% https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Raw Poll(Core Vote) FF 21 FG 23 Lab 3 SF 17 Others 11 Undecided 27
Removing undecided but without further processing or adjustment
December FF 28 FG 31 Lab 4 SF 23 others 14
Further processing brought SF back down from 23 to 17% in the published Final Result!!!
Compare the December unadjusted result to that in
November: FF 26 FG 28 SF 26 Lab 5 Ind/others 15
All changes from November to December are within the margin of error of 3.3%
Because “undecideds” now constitute a high 27%, the combined number of votes actually cast for FG+FF+Lab was 49%, less than half
As has been the case for a number of months, in the raw poll of the poorer 50% of population (social categories C2DE), Sinn Féin remained ahead of FF and FG in December and polled almost ten times the labour Party vote for those categories
B&A modifies result in the direction of what the party polled in the last general election. SF polled 13.6%. It would appear that B&A are now putting “Final Result” at mid-point rather than quarter of the way to the last general election result as heretofore!
Or has B&A also used other criteria to “adjust” the final result?
B&A Should Give a Detailed Explanation of the unexplained large drop in SF vote due to “adjustments”
B&A “Adjustment” of Poll Results (Banda.ie) is based on
All who state that they would definitely vote
Weighting of the voting intention of those respondents who give a definite answer as to how they would vote in a general election and who they voted for in the last election, a quarter of the way between stated voting intention and the result of the last election
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B@A Raw Poll November 2018
FF 19 FG 21 SF 20 Lab 4 Ind/others 11 Undecided 24
Sinn Féin Ahead of Fianna Fail But Difference Within Margin of Error
After Undecides are Eliminated but unadjusted https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
FF 26 FG 28 SF 26 Lab 5 Ind/others 15
But “Processing” Puts FF ahead of Sinn Féin
After Undecideds are eliminated B&A moves this
outcome by one quarter of the way towards Las General Election Out Come
This gave: FG 30% -1, FF 27% NC, SF 23% +4, Lab 6 NC, Ind/Others 14
October Poll After Undecideds Eliminated but Unadjusted
FG 31 FF 26 SF 23 Lab 5 Others 15
ALL Changes from Oct to Nov within margin of error!!!
Poorest 50 % of population Social Categories C2DE
November 2018 FF 20 FG18 SF22 Lab 3 Ind/Others 10 Undecideds 25
October 2018 FF 22 FG 16 SF21 Lab3 Ind/Others 11 Undecideds 27
SF leads all parties . All changes from October to November Within Margin of Error
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All Within Margin of Error
B&A Sunday Times October 21
Undecideds Eliminated Unadjusted
FG 31 FF 26 SF 23 Lab 5 Others 15
MRBI Telephone Poll OCT 16 Excluding Undecideds- Unadjusted
FG 33 SF 24 FF25 Lab 4 Others 14
B&A FACE TO FACE POLL September 18 Excluding Undecideds-Unadjusted
FG 32 SF 26 FF 24 Lab 4 Others 14
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RED C Were Way Out in Euro Election 2014
Sinn Féin won 3 seats in the 26-counties heading the poll in Dublin
Euro Dublin Constituency Outcome SF 23.6% Lab 7.4%; Red C Prediction SF 15% Lab 13%
RED C Final Pre-Election Poll and Prediction 16/05/2014
Richard Colwell “Are Sinn Fein going to win seats in all constituencies?
While Sinn Fein poll relatively well in the three constituencies, it is not well enough to guarantee seats in any of the three constituencies. The main reason is that while first preference support for the Sinn Fein candidates is pretty much in line with their national standing, this is not enough to secure seats on its own, and the candidates are not as transfer friendly as other candidates they are competing with”—Red C Website
Sinn Féin headed the poll in Dublin and won seats in the other two constituencies
Euro Dublin Constituency Outcome SF 23.6% Lab 7.4%; Red C Prediction SF 15% Lab 13%
Euro Election 2014 Overall Outcome FG 22.28% SF 19.5%
FF 22.31 % Lab 5.3%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014(Ireland) |
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New MRBI Poll Shows Red C has Questions to Answer https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
MRBI Telephone Poll OCT 16 Excluding Undecideds- Unadjusted
FG 33 SF 24 FF25 Lab 4 Others 14
RED C for Paddy Power Excluding Undecideds Adjusted
FG 32% FF 27% SF 14% Lab 5% Others 22%
RED C Telephone Poll Sunday Sept 25 Excluding Undecideds Adjusted
FG 33 SF 16 FF 24 LP 6 Others 21
B&A FACE TO FACE POLL September 18 Excluding Undecideds-Unadjusted
FG 32 SF 26 FF 24 Lab 4 Others 14
Note Low SF Figure in RED C Margin of Error =3%
The most recent Red C Poll for Paddy Power puts Sinn Féin at 14% which is even lower than the 16% in the poll carried out by ReD C for Sunday Business Post a fortnight earlier https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
12th October 2018 Paddy Power-Red C
FG 32% FF 27% SF 14% Lab 5% Others 22%
Recent MRBI and B&A Polls have Sinn Féin on 24 % after undecideds are excluded and there are no adjustments
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Poorer Half of Population Margin of Error 5%
MRBI C2DE Undecideds Removed
FG 23 FF25.5 Lab 4 SF 33.5 Others 14
B&A C2DE Undecideds Removed
FG 26 FF 23 Lab 4 SF 33 Others 14
Sinn Féin leads all parties among poorer half of population –Labour Stuck on 4%
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Now, OCT12, 3 weeks after B&A Poll, Red C has Sinn Féin on 14%, a full 10% below B&A-Red C “adjustments” are no longer valid
Sinn Féin Still Ahead of Fianna Fáil in September B&A Poll
B&A September 18 Excluding Undecideds-Unadjusted
FG 32 SF 26 FF 24 Lab 4 Others 14
B&A Raw Poll
FF18 FG 24 Lab 3 SF 20 Others 11 Undecided 24
But after “Adjustment” SF poll alone was reduced to give 20%
Sinn Féin Continue to Lead ALL PARTIES among poorer half of population
B&A C2DE https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
FF 17 FG 19 Lab 3 SF 24 Others 10 Undecided 27
Note Labour stuck at 3% among poorer half of population!!
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Recent B&A Raw Polls As margin of Error is 3%, there is no significant change https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
September FF18 FG 24 Lab 3 SF 20 Others 11 Undecided 24
July FF 15 FG27 SF 18 Lab 2 Ind/Others 13 Undecided 24
June FF 16 FG 23 Lab 3 SF 19 Others 12 Undecided 28
May FF 16 FG22 Lab 3 SF 19 Ind/other 11 Undecided 29
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No mention of these Weightings in Sunday Times Report on B&A Poll
B&A Adjustment (Similar But Not Identical to Red C “Adjustment”)
Positive Weighting for All who state that they would definitely vote
Positive Weighting of all those who definitely stated who they would vote for in the next general election AND who they voted for in the last election, one quarter of the way between voting intention and the outcome of the last general election
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Red C has Sinn Féin Even Lower after “Adjustment”
Red C does not publish a raw poll and the adjustments are more severe than those by B&A to get a published result
Note Red C one week ago had Sinn Fein at 14% in Sunday Business Post!!!!
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June 2018 B&A Poll
Poll Confirms Sinn Féin Ahead of Fianna Fáil among General Population
Sinn Féin leads all parties among Poorer Half of Population
Dire Results for Labour Continue—-Lab sinks to 3% Among Poorer Half of Population
Raw Polls-Actual Preferences Expressed
Total Population
Core Vote% FF 16 FG 23 Lab 3 SF 19 Others 12 Undecided 28
Poorer Half of Population
C2DE % FF 18 FG 17 Lab 3 SF 22 Others 12 Undecided 27
Last Month May, 20, 2018
Total Population
Core Vote FF 16 FG22 SF 19 Lab 3 Ind/other 11 Undecided 29
Poorer Half of Population (C2DE)
Core Vote FF 14 FG 16 SF 24 Lab 4 Ind/Other 10 Undecided 31
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Detailed Raw Polling Figures Since January -Banda.ie
Margin of Error + or -3%
B&A Core Vote–Raw Poll-Unprocessed-Full Population Including Undecided https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
23/09/2018 FF18 FG 24 SF 20 Lab 3 Ind/Others11 Undecided 24
17/07/18 FF 15 FG27 SF 18 Lab 2 Ind/Others 13 Undecided 24
20/06/18 FF16 FG 23 SF 19 Lab 3 Ind/Others 12 Undecided 28
20/05/18 FF 16 FG22 SF 19 Lab 3 Ind/other 11 Undecided 29
23/04/18 FF 17 FG 24 SF 17 Lab 5 Ind/Other 10 Undecided 27
13/03/18 FF 20 FG 26 SF 15 Lab 5 Ind/other12 Undecided 23
18/02/18 FF 17 FG 27 SF 15 Lab 3 Ind/Other13 Undecided 24
13/01/18 FF 17 FG 27 SF 15 Lab 3 Ind/Others 13 Undecided 24
Jan to Sept FF (+1) FG(-3) SF(+5) Lab (NC) Ind/others(-2) Undecided(NC)
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Margin of Error + or – 5%
C2DE % Core Vote Poorer Half of Population
June 2018 FF 18 FG 17 SF 22 Lab 3 Others 12 Undecided 27
May 2018 FF 14 FG 16 SF 24 Lab 4 Ind/Other 10 Undecided 31
April 2018 FF 18 FG 18 SF 20 Lab 6 Ind/ Others 10 Undecided 29
April to June FF (NC) FG(-1) SF (+2) Lab (-3) Ind/Others (+2) Undecided (-2)
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Why caution is required in relation to the conclusions of Red C Polls https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
From Red C Site
” Interviews were conducted across the country and the results weighted to the profile of all
adults. A further past vote weighting is included that takes the recall for how people voted at the last election, compares this to the actual results and weights the data between the two.
Vote intention results are based on those who will actually go and vote, using a 10 point scale, where 1 is not at all likely and 10 is very likely, those rating 8 to 10 are included as being those who will definitely go and vote”
As can be seen above only those very likely to vote are included EVEN IN THE CORE VOTE. THIS PROCESS ALONE BIASSES THE OUTCOME IN FAVOUR OF THE STATUS QUO favouring COMMITTED PARTY SUPPORTERS. RED C does not provide a core vote on its website. On the other hand, B&A provide a core vote on Banda.ie which is ACTUALLY a totally Raw Poll.
Red C, not content with merely eliminating the undecideds from it’s already filtered core vote to get an outcome, but takes that outcome and moves it towards what that party or group got in the last general election TO GET A FINAL OUTCOME.
RED C will of course argue that this methodology has proved a good predictor of election outcomes in the past. In my view, while that may be true in stable political times, it is bound to fail to detect rapid andsharp political changes.
Unlike B&A, RED C has failed to detect the process over 3 months, March to May, in which Sinn Féin has caught up with and surpassed FF among the population as a whole. Unlike B&A, Red C has also failed to detect the fact that in April Sinn Féin became, for the first time ever, the strongest of ALL PARTIES among the poorer half of the population(Social Strata C2DE). Not surprisingly, RED C has also failed to detect that Sinn Féin has stretched it’s lead over all parties among C2DEs in the May Poll
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B&A Poll-Not Alone Has Sinn Féin gone ahead of FF among General Population But Sinn Féin Has Streched Its Lead Over All Parties Among Poorer Half of the Population
One Month Ago, In April 2018, Sinn Féin became the leading Party among the poorer half of population For The First Time
Today, Sinn Féin has Stretched its Lead over all parties among poorer half of population
Since April, FF -4, FG -2, SF +4, Lab -2, Ind/Other NC, Undecided +2
C2DE % Core Vote Margin of Error + or – 5%
May 2018 FF 14 FG 16 SF 24 Lab 4 Ind/Other 10 Undecided 31
April 2018 FF 18 FG 18 SF 20 Lab 6 Ind/ Others 10 Undecided 29
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Sinn Féin Ahead of Fianna Fáil in B&A Poll! Labour Down by 2 % to 4% !!!! Non-Aligned Independents up 2 to 10%!! 20/05/2018
Sunday Independent Sinn Fein is a more popular political party than Fianna Fail, according to a new opinion poll.
The poll shows Sinn Fein up three points to 24pc, while Fianna Fail is down two points to 23pc.
Fine Gael is down three points to 30pc but they are still the country’s most popular political party.The same poll shows Sinn Fein leader Mary Lou McDonald’s personal satisfaction rating at 52pc, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar at 52pc and Fianna Fail leader Micheal Martin at 47pc.
The Labour Party is down by two at 4pc, Independent Alliance is up one to 3pc, Solidarity-People Before Profit is up one to 2pc, the Green Party is unchanged at 2pc and the Social Democrats are also unchanged at 1pc.
Non-aligned Independents are up two points to 10pc in the Sunday Times/Behaviour and Attitudes opinion poll.
A separate opinion poll(Red C in SB Post) shows dramatically different results.
Detailed Raw Polling Figures Since January -Banda.ie
Margin of Error + or -3%
B&A Core Vote–Raw Poll-Unprocessed-Full Population
20/05/18 FF 16 FG22 SF 19 Lab 3 Ind/other 11 Undecided 29
23/04/18 FF 17 FG 24 SF 17 Lab 5 Ind/Other 10 Undecided 27
13/03/18 FF 20 FG 26 SF 15 Lab 5 Ind/other12 Undecided 23
18/02/18 FF 17 FG 27 SF 15 Lab3 Ind/Other13 Undecided 24
13/01/18 FF 17 FG 27 SF 15 Lab 3 Ind/Others 13 Undecided 24
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GOVERNMENT DISSATISFACTION RATE SOARS DUE TO CERVICAL SCREENING SCANDAL
Irish Times May 18,2018: The net dissatisfaction rate – the difference between those who are satisfied and those who are dissatisfied with the Government – among women is now 29 points, up from just 10 points last month.
While it is not unusual for a government to have a net dissatisfaction rating, this is an extremely large and rare move in one month and coincides with the cervical screening revelations.
The latest Irish Times/Ipsos MRBI shows that the over-all satisfaction rating of the Government has fallen from 44 per cent in the last poll in mid-April – the highest rating for any government since 2011 – to 37 per cent.
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Sunday Times Behaviour and Attitudes Poll April confirms Irish Times Ipsos/Mrbi finding that for the first time Sinn Fein Leads All parties among the poorer half of the population
22/04/ 2018 B&A C2DE Core Vote
FF 18 FG 18 SF 20 LP 6 Ind Others 10 Undecided 29
Final Outcome
After Undecideds Eliminated
FF 25% FG 25% SF 28% Lab 8% Ind/Oth 14%
Full Core Vote- Entire Population
April B&A Core Vote 23/04/2018
FF 17 FG 24 SF 17 Lab 5 Ind/Other 10 Don’t Know 27
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Sinn Féin Now lead FF and FG Among Poorer 50% of Voters, Labour Remain Marginalised in New Irish Times Poll
Margin of Error + or – 5%
April 19 Ipsos/Mrbi C2DE Final Outcome
After Undecided Eliminated Change relative to B&A 1 month Ago
FF 27(+4) FG 24 (-5) SF 31(+4) Lab 4(+1) Ind/others 14 (-2)
Feb 18 B&A C2DE Final Outcome
After Undecided Eliminated
FF 23 FG 29 SF 27 Lab 3 IND/Others 16
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Irish Times IPSOS/MRBI Poll April 19, 2018
Rise of FG Halted Damian Loscher
After retreating two points in January from a high of 36 per cent in December, Fine Gael has slipped a further three points to land on 31 per cent in this poll.
Pat Leahy
The “core” vote for the parties – that is, before undecideds were excluded – compared with the last Irish Times poll in October(January?), was: Fine Gael 24 per cent (down two); Fianna Fáil 21 per cent (up one); Labour 4 per cent (up one); Sinn Féin 18 per cent (up three); Independents/Others 12 per cent (down three).
Undecided voters were at 21 per cent, unchanged since the last poll.
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B&A Core Vote March 2018
13/03/18 FF 20 FG 26 SF 15 Lab 5 Ind/other 12 Don’t Know 23
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Incredibly, the Sinn Féin score in the B&A February Poll is now TEN TIMES THE LABOUR SCORE among the poorer half of the population
Sunday Times Behaviour and Attitudes Poll 18/02/2018
B&A Core Vote—Raw Poll % Feb 13 to 18
Margin of Error + or- 3%
FF 17, FG 27, SF 15, Lab 3, Others 13 , undecided 24
B&A Core Vote—Raw Poll % Jan 4-Jan 13
FF 19, FG 25, SF 15, Lab 3, Others 12 , undecided 26
Changes Since January Poll %
FF -2, FG +2, SF no change, Others +1, Undecided -2
Richer and Poorer Halves of Population
Margin of Error + or – 5%
Richest Half of Population (Social Categories ABC1) %
Feb 18
FF 18 FG 32
Jan 13
FF 18 FG 28
The 14% lead of FG over FF which existed in December, came down to 10% in January but has now increased to 14 % again
Poorest Half of Population (Social Categories C2DE) % 453 persons in these categories were polled
Feb 18
SF 20 Lab 2 (Labour Score among Richer Half of Population is 4% !!!!)
Jan 13
SF18, Lab 3
Incredibly the Sinn Féin score has now TEN TIMES THE LABOUR SCORE among the poorer half of the population
The full Core Vote Among the Poorer Hal of the Population in B&A Poll:
FF 17 FG 21 SF 20 Lab 2 Ind/Others 12 Undecided 27
Even if only half of INd/Others are voting for left wing individuals or parties, the non-Sinn Féin left vote is 3 times the Labour vote!!!!
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“For Labour This Poll is a further setback. Not only has support for the party almost Halved since the last disastrous election, but satisfaction with leader Brendan Howlin (22%) is down 6 points since July.”-Jody Corcoran, Sunday Independent
Paul Moran Associate Director Kantar Millward Brown in Sunday Independent
“As it stands now,it(Labour) is being squeezed by the electorate to the point of irrelevance, with other parties gladly picking up the slack—-
The only leader to see a drop in support is Brendan Howlin, reflecting the general malaise that is associated with all things Labour. He is in the job for close on 18 months and this is his lowest rating so far. Like his party, he too is failing to gain traction with the electorate. One in four(24%) of his own party’s supporters, albeit of a small base, is dissatisfied with his performance, noticeably higher than other party leaders.”
Two New Polls Published Today Feb 18
As Core Votes including undecided have not yet been published in both cases, the figures should be treated with caution. Both Poll are subject to a margin of error of + or – 3%
But it is clear that the disastrous series of polls for the Labour Party is continuing (Millward Brown Labour Party 4% down 3 points, B&A Labour Party 5% down one point)
The Kantar Millward Brown poll, Sunday Independent, 18/02/2018
This is the current state of the parties:
Fine Gael (36pc) up six points since July;
- Fianna Fail (28pc) down one point;
- Sinn Fein (20pc) unchanged;
- Labour (4pc) down three points;
- Greens (2pc) unchanged;
- Independents/others (11pc) down two points
Sunday Times Behaviour and Attitudes Poll 18/02/2018 |
FG 36% +4
FF 25% – 1
SF 16% -2
LP 5% -1
IND 9% NC
IA 4% NC
SOL/PBP 3% +1
SD 1% NC
GP 1% -1
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34% of poorer half of Population (C2DE) voters are voting for SF and the left as opposed to 4% for the Labour Party!
Sample Size c. 450 Margin of Error 5%
B&A Poll Jan 2018
Vote Among Poorer Half of Population ( C2DE ) January %
Core FF 20 FG 21 Lab 3, SF18, Ind/other 10 Undecided 27
After Undecided are excluded
Outcome among C2DE voters
FF 27.4
FG 28.8
Lab 4.1
SF 24.7
Ind/Other 13.7
Assuming 2/3 of ind/others a mong poorer half of population are voting left wing —Left Wing Ind/Other 9.1%
This means that c. 34% of C2DE voters are voting for SF and the left as opposed to 4% for the Labour Party!
Sample Size c. 450 Margin of Error 5%
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Little Change in New Year B&A Poll
January Core Vote
Opinion Poll Analysis https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Labour at 2% in Munster. FG a full 10% ahead of FF among wealthier half of Irish population
January B&A Poll Core Vote %
Jan FF19 FG25 Lab 3 SF 15 Ind/Other 12 Dont know/wont vote 26
Striking Features Labour Stuck at 3% Labour at 2% in Munster!!!! ( Before Labour got traction in Dublin in the 60s Munster was its strong traditional base)
Labour now has 3 TDs in Munster, 2 in Dublin, 2 in Leinster
Among poorer half of population(C2DE) Labour Has 3%—Sinn Féin has 18% (Lab has 3% in wealthier half also )
Among wealthier sections of population ( ABC1) FF 18 FG 28
(some believe that Martins support for Repeal the 8th Amendment is an attempt to remedy this huge gap)
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December Core Vote
Opinion Poll Analysis https://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
Labour Down to 1% in Munster. FG a full 14% ahead of FF among wealthier half of Irish population
December B&A Poll Core Vote %
Dec FF19 FG25 Lab 4 SF 15 Ind/Other 14 Dont know/wont vote 23
http://banda.ie/wp-content/uploads/Sunday-Times-Dec-2017-Report.pdf
Striking Features Labour Stuck at 4% Labour at 1% in Munster!!!! ( Before Labour got traction in Dublin in the 60s Munster was its strong traditional base)
Labour now has 3 TDs in Munster, 2 in Dublin, 2 in Leinster
Among poorer half of population(C2DE) Labour Has 4%—Sinn Féin has 21% (Lab has 4% in wealthier half also!)
Among wealthier sections of population ( ABC1) FF 17 FG 31
(some believe that Martins support for Repeal the 8th Amendment is an attempt to remedy this huge gap)
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B&A Jan 21 2018
Post- Processing Outcome Change wrt Dec 2017
FG 32% -2 FF 26% NC SF 18% +1 LP 6% +1 ind/other 18% NC
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B&A Dec 24
Post- Processing Outcome Change wrt November
FG 34% No Change
FF 26% -5%
Sinn Féin 17% + 3%
Labour 5% +2%
Others 18% No Change
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November B&A Poll Shows a Weakening of Sinn Féin
AS I said in September-Sinn Féin and the Left are Doing Something Wrong!
Total Disaster for Labour-Labour Back Down to 2% as it polled Exactly a Year Ago
November B&A
Total FF FG Lab SF All Others Undecided
Core% 23 25 2 12 12 27
October B&A
Total FF FG Lab SF Others Undecided
Core% 19 23 3 16 13 26
Oct 5, Ipsos/Mrbi
Total FF FG Lab SF Other/GR Undecided
Core % 22 23 4 15 15 21
B&A Poll Sept B&A
Total FF FG Lab SF Other/GR Undecided
Core% 18.25 26.0 3.0 15.2 13.4 24.3
October-LABOUR DISASTER CONTINUES IN B&A POLL
“Mussolini” “Pay and Pension Cut” Howlin , Burton (“Scourge of Women and Single Parents”), Alan (“Water Charges”) Kelly MUST RESIGN NOW
Jack O’Connor SIPTU is RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS DEBACLE-HE BACKED BURTON!!!
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Alan “Water Charges” Kelly Challenges Brendan “Mussolini Anti-Union Laws” Howlin For Labour Party Leadership!!!
The Kettle Calls The Pot Black!!
Alan Kelly gives Brendan Howlin less than 6 months to improve Labour
Mr Howlin hit back at Mr Kelly through his spokesman insisting all members of party should “focus on pulling (the wool over our eyes-PH) in the same direction”. Irish Independent
Fiach Kelly IRISH TIMES Sunday, November 5, 2017, 19:41
Labour TD Alan Kelly has given his leader Brendan Howlin less than six months to improve the party’s fortunes, as he warned that “dramatic change” is needed.
It will be seen as Mr Kelly, who attempted to stand for the party leadership against Mr Howlin after the last election, putting the Wexford TD on notice that he will face a leadership challenge within months.
He was speaking to journalist Sarah McInerney on TV3’s The Sunday Show.
“Brendan Howlin has my support, however, however – let me say this very clearly – we need to see a dramatic change in how our support base is responding to us,” the Tipperary deputy said.
The most recent Irish Times/Ipsos MRBI poll, taken last month, put Labour on 4 per cent and gave Mr Howlin a 20 per cent approval rating, the lowest of any party leader.
“We also need to see changes across a whole range of other issues,” Mr Kelly said. “We are now two years from the past general election. We have loads of brilliant councillors and candidates out there. We need to see a dramatic change in the coming months for the support base of the Labour Party.”
When asked by Ms McInerney if he would give Mr Howlin six months to improve the party’s standing, he replied: “I would say less than that.”
When asked by the Irish Times if he was giving Mr Howlin less than six months to improve, Mr Kelly said to look again at his interview but declined to comment further. Mr Howlin also declined to comment.
It is understood that, in order to remove a sitting Labour leader, a motion of no confidence has to be passed by a two thirds majority at the party’s central council.
The central council is around 60 people strong and comprises representatives from across the party, such as the parliamentary party, Labour Women and Labour Youth.
A number of sources, who would not be in favour of Mr Kelly leading the party, sought to suggest that he is acting now because a stronger rival will emerge if Ged Nash and Aodhán O’Ríordáin, currently in the Seanad, make it back to the Dáil after the next election. The Labour Party leader must be a TD.
Mr Kelly sought to run for the leadership of Labour when Joan Burton stood down after the last election, which saw Labour return with only seven seats, down from its haul of 37 seats at the 2011 general election, although a number of TDs left the party in the intervening period.
He failed to secure a second signature for his candidacy among the ranks of the parliamentary party, and Mr Howlin was the only candidate.
The party rules at the time said aspiring candidates needed a proposer and seconder in the parliamentary party to go before the party membership in the leadership election.
The rules have since changed, and as well as securing a nomination from within the parliamentary party a candidate can be nominated by five constituency councils, where “those councils represent at least 10 per cent of the total valid membership of the Labour Party”.
A spokesman for the Labour party said: “Since his election as party leader, Brendan Howlin has repeatedly made clear that everyone in the Labour party needs to focus on pulling in the same direction, and that if we do so, we can and will make gains again whenever the next election comes.”
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September-FF and FG Poll 60% in IPSOS/MRBI POLL!
THE LEFT and SINN FEIN ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG!
ALL TALK, NO MASS MOBILISATION!
The parties who, with the assistance of Labour, not only cheered on the disastrous fake capitalist boom, implemented austerity, but also , over decades, implemented an economic policy which has now left the country completely powerless and at the mercy of multi-nationals, international financiers, and the leaders of the US and EU political blocks are receiving 60% of the votes!
I can’t find core vote anywhere so that valid comparisons with B&A can be made.
The 3% final outcome for the Labour Party(down from 6.6% in GE2016) is really bad news for them. They may not loose all seats as deemed possible by AK as their vote is pocketted into a small numberof constituencies and their sitting TDs are big well known personalities . But the chance of anyof their councillors making the jump into the Dáil are near zero. THE POLL PREDICTS THAT SF WILL GET OVER 6 TIMES The LABOUR VOTE.!!!! In addition, when all respondents(INCLUDING THOSE CHOOSING FF or FG) were asked were they satisfied with the job being done by party leaders, Gerry Adams got 30% and Brendan Howlin 20%. This is despite a sharper campaign than usual in pro-establishment media against Gerry Adams. The same media are protecting “FEMPI” Howlin from the implications of the poll for his leadership.
Slidarity-PBP and left Independent TDs are , if anythig, more pocketed into a small number of constituencies than Labour and the personality factor in many cases is greater. This has only full effect in an actual general election. Respondents in polls can be very confused about the connection between local TDs and small political parties. I will be very surprised if SBP-solidarity TDs and any of the well known left inependents lose their seats.
BUT ALL THAT BEING SAID, THIS AND THE MOST RECENT SERIES OF POLLS , ARE BAD NEWS FOR THE LEFT AND SINN FEIN. I do not include Labour among the left. A line was crossed when Howlin proposed the FEMPi anti trade union law, a measure with which Mussolini would have strongly agreed.
The parties who, with the assistance of Labour, not only cheered on the disatrous fake capitalist boom, but also , over decades, implemented an economic policy which has now left the country completely powerless and at the mercy of muti-nationals, international financiers, and the leaders of th US and EU political blocks are receiving 60% of the votes! DON’T BLAME THE VOTERS————WE ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG!!! There has been too much electoralism and no mass mobilisation since the end of the Water Charges Campaign.
WHY have Sinn Fein and the left not had a single Mass March in Dublin on the Housing Issue? When we took to the streets with The Dublin Housing Action Committee in the sixties, we hadn’t a single Sinn Féin or left TD. Now we have over 30 but all we get is TALK, TALK, TALK!!!! WAKE UP!
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B&A October Poll—Core Vote
B&A October 2017
ToTAL FF FG Lab SF Others Undecided
Core% 19 23 3 16 13 26
Assuming Core Vote in MRBI is the Raw Poll Outcome
B&A Poll Sept 17,2017 Margin of Error 3.3%
Total FF FG Lab SF Other/GR Undecided
Core% 18.25 26.0 3.0 15.2 13.4 24.3
Ipsos/Mrbi Poll Oct 5, 2017 Margin of Error 2.9%
Total FF FG Lab SF Other/GR Undecided
Core % 22 23 4 15 15 21
Change in 4 Weeks (Difference between Core Votes) (MRBI less B&A)
% +3.75 -3 +1 -0.2 +1.6 -3.3
Comparing Final Outcomes
MRBI October
FF FG Lab SF Other/GR
% 29 31 4 19 17
B&A September
FF FG Lab SF Other/GR
% 29 29 5 18 19
Difference (MRBI less B&A)
FF FG Lab SF Other/GR
% 0 +2 -1 +1 -2
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Only Significant Change Is Swing From FF to FG-All Other Parties Unchanged-Labour Still at 3% in Core Vote
Core Vote
B&A Poll Sept 17, Margin of Error 3.3%,Change Since July
Total FF FG Lab SF Other/GR Undecided
937 171 243 28 142 126 228
Core% 18.25 26.0 3.0 15.2 13.4 24.3
Change % -3.75 +3.5 +0.3 +0.9 +0.5 -1.3
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JULY B&A
No Significant Change in Poll Despite Change of Taoiseach-Labour Back Below 3% in Core Vote Which is Less than One Fifth of Sinn Fein Vote and One Quarter of the OTHERS Vote–UNDECIDED THE BIGGEST CATEGORY IS UP 4.2% Since June
B&A Poll July 16 Margin of Error 3.3%
Total FF FG Lab SF Other/GR Undecided
923 203 208 25 132 119 236
Core% 22.0 22.5 2.7 14.3 12.9 25.6
NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE-But Labour Creep Just Above 3%
B&A June 6
Parties FF FG Lab SF Other/GR Undecided
Core% 21.9 22.3 3.3 16.2 15.0 21.4
No Significant Change in Poll-Labour Drop Below 3% in Core Vote For First Time This Year
B&A Poll May 14 Margin of Error c. 3%
B&A Poll May
Total FF FG Lab SF other/GR Undecided
921 200 206 27 137 143 208
Core 21.7 22.4 2.9 14.9 15.5 22.6
B&A Poll April
Total FF FG Lab SF Other/GR undecided
971 207 201 33 157 138 235
Core 21.3 20.7 3.4 16.2 14.2 24.2
May 14, 2017-Based on a 3 month Rolling Average of B&A figures
Since General Election 2016, FF up 3.6%, FG up 1%, Labour down 2.5%, Sinn Féin up 8.2%, Others down 10.4%
Drop in others is misleading. In an actual election, unlike in an opinion poll, there are many local and minority candidates who are not in serious contention. These are eliminated in early counts. The figure for others should only be compared with that in opinion polls
Behaviour and Attitudes provides the actual polling figures in its tables including undecideds unlike some other polling companies. The core vote provided by RED C,for example, excludes the most disenchanted and the most devious among those interviewed. Note: Unlike Red C, B&A gives the actual unprocessed figures as a core vote Red C discards all those who say on a scale of 1 to 10 that their likelihood to vote is less than 8. Consequently undecideds in Red C “core vote” are typically 12%. Undecideds in B&A core vote are typically greater than 20%
B&A makes a number of adjustments in addition to eliminating undecideds to reach a final poll figure for each party. I believe that these adjustments may not be appropriate in a rapidly changing and confusing political situation. I have therefore taken the raw polling figures(core) and simply eliminated the undecideds.
A poll of around 1000 people has a margin of error of 3% for 95% certainty. This means that a particular poll may have a bigger margin of error than 3%. It may be an “outlier”
Accordingly I will be doing a 3 month rolling average. Such an approach will fail to detect sharp changes. On the other hand, it will reduce the effect of “outliers” which can mislead. The single unadjusted monthly core vote may capture sharp short-term changes.
The unadjusted figures in the B&A poll published yesterday April 17 are
FF28.1 FG 27.3 Lab 4.5 SF 21.3 Others 18.8
This is calculated by simply eliminating the undecideds and recalculating the percentages.
The adjusted figures provided by B&A are
FF 28 FG 29 Lab 5 Sinn Féin 18 Others 20
The main Loser from the adjustments is Sinn Féin
B&A May 2017
Final Outcome Three Month Rolling Average Gen. Election 2016 in Brackets
FF FG Lab SF Other
27.9 (24.3) 26.1 (25.1) 4.1(6.6) 22.0(13.8) 19.8(30.2)
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General Election 2016
FF FG Lab SF Other
24.3 25.1 6.6 13.8 30.2
B&A Poll May
Total FF FG Lab SF other/GR Undecided
921 200 206 27 137 143 208
Core 21.7 22.4 2.9 14.9 15.5 22.6
Final 28.1 28.9 3.8 19.2 20.1
B&A Poll April 16 2017
http://banda.ie/sunday-times-behaviour-attitudes-opinion-poll-april-2017/
Total FF FG Lab SF Other/GR undecided
971 207 201 33 157 138 235
Core 21.3 20.7 3.4 16.2 14.2 24.2
Final 28.1 27.3 4.5 21.3 18.8
B&A Poll March 11
Final 27.6 22.2 4.0 25.5 20.6
Core 21.9 17.7 3.2 20.2 16.4 20.6
934 205 165 30 189 153 192
B&A Poll February
Core 27 15 4 17 16 20
Final 34.2 19.0 5.1 21.5 20.3
Replacing Feb Poll with May Poll
Final Outcome Three Month Rolling Average Gen. Election 2016 in Brackets
FF FG Lab SF Other
27.9 (24.3) 26.1 (25.1) 4.1(6.6) 22.0(13.8) 19.8(30.2)
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Labour Gone ???
B&A Sunday Times Poll Sunday 13/11/2016
LABOUR 3% + or – 3.3% !!!!!!!
FG 28 FF 30 SF 17 Lab 3 Others 22
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B&A Poll Sunday 18/09/2016
There is no statistically significant change since B&A July Poll
If we compare the final outcome to-day with the General Election outcome, only the increase in Sinn Féin vote is significantly greater than the margin of error (3.3%) in the poll published to-day. Labour has dropped almost 2% since General Election but as this is less than margin of error of 3.3% it is unreliable
My adjustment to the core vote simply eliminates undecided respondents. B&A makes other adjustments which are at best arguable. As expected these other adjustments mainly benefit the Labour Party. When a core vote of 4 goes up to a final adjusted figure of 7, it has increased by 75%-almost as much as the core vote itself!
The breakdown of OTHERS is very unreliable. The numbers favouring them in the core vote is actually the same or less than the margin of error of 3.3%
B&A %
Sept 14 July 12 Sept 14
Core Core Undecided Excluded
FG 19 20 24.7
FF 21 23 27.3
SF 15 13 19.5
Labour 4 3 5.2
Green 1 1 1.3
IND/Others 18 19 23.4
Undecided 23 21
General Election Results were FG 25.5 FF 24.3 SF 13.8
Lab 6.6 Other Independents 11.7 Independent Alliance 4.2 AAA/PBP 3.9 Soc Dem 3.0 Renua 2.2 Workers Party 0.2
If we compare the final outcome to-day with the general election outcome, only the increase in Sinn Féin vote is significantly greater than the margin of error in the poll published to-day
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Labour Down to 4%-behind AAA-PBP on 5%
The RTE story has been amended – the figures broadcast earlier, while correct, were including undecideds at 17%.When these are excluded, the figures are:
Fine Gael – 30%, Fianna Fáil – 22%,Sinn Féin – 15%, Labour Party – 4%, Others 30%
Of Which: Independent Candidate – 10%,Anti-Austerity Alliance / People Before Profit Alliance – 5% Green Party – 3% Independent Alliance – 5% RENUA Ireland – 3% Social Democrats – 3% Workers Party – 1% Socialist Party – 0%
Sorry for any confusion caused-RTE.
Ipsos Mrbi Poll Feb 3 Irish Times
Undecideds
The margin of error is plus or minus 2.8 per cent. The core vote for the parties – before undecideds are excluded – compared with the last poll was: Fine Gael, 21 per cent (down three); Labour, 6 per cent (up two); Fianna Fáil, 16 per cent (up one); Sinn Féin, 15 per cent (down two); Independents/ Others, 20 per cent (no change) and undecided voters, 22 per cent (up two points).
The strong showing by Independents and smaller parties is one of the main features of this first poll of the general election.
Non-aligned Independents headed the list with 8 per cent.
This was followed by the Anti-Austerity Alliance/People Before Profit with 4 per cent; the Shane Ross-led Independent group had 3 per cent.
The Social Democrats were on 2 per cent; Renua was on 1 per cent while other groups got 2 per cent. The Green Party was also on 2 per cent.
When it came to satisfaction ratings there was a decline of 2 per cent for the Government with party leaders Enda Kenny, Micheál Martin and Gerry Adams also slipping.
The only party leader to make a small improvement was Joan Burton.
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Labour Stuck at 4% Core Vote— Party Remains at Rock Bottom
CORE VOTE B&A Jan 17 FG 20% IND/OTH 21% FF 15% SF 14% LP 4% Undecided 27%
When approximately 1000 people were polled, less than 45 or 4% said they would vote Labour
THIS IS A DISASTROUS OUTCOME FOR LABOUR
If undecided are eliminated and filters were not used as would happen in Millward Brown and Ipsos/MRBI Polls the outcome would be:
FG 27.4%, Others 28.8%, FF 20.55%, SF 19.2%, Labour 5.47%
The customary rounding to the nearest whole number would give
FG 27%, Others 29%, FF 21%, SF 19%, Labour 5%
With the use of filters B&A has given a final outcome
FG 31%, Others 27%, FF 20%, SF 16%,LP 6%
As usual the filters advantage FG and Labour and depress Sinn Fein and on this occasion Others also
In the context of a Margin of Error of+ or -3% for each party score, there is no change since the B&A poll of a month ago
Unlike Red C , B&A provides a genuine core vote or raw unprocessed poll. I exclude the Red C Core vote as it is an already processed outcome as I explain further down. The table below shows Core Votes for all polling companies for the last 6 months. A political earthquake took place in the last local elections. The Labour Party lost 81 county council seats and were reduced to 51. The practice of B&A and RED C of employing filters to reflect how well parties polled in the last general election and modify the raw data accordingly is no longer reliable or appropriate. This was shown to be so in practice in the Red C poll immediately before the European election , held on the same day as the local elections(See Further Down) . The accompanying RED C commentary was entirely at variance with the outcomes!
B&A Jan 17 FG 20% IND/OTH 21% FF 15% SF 14% LP 4% , Undecided 27%
B&A Dec 3 FG 20 Others 20, LP 5, SF 16, FF 15,
Undecided 27
Millward Brown Nov 8 FG 24,Others 16, SF 17,FF 19,LP 5,
Undecided 19
Sunday Times Oct 18 FG 19,Other 29, SF 17, FF 11, Lab 4,
undecided 19%
Ipsos/MRBI Sept 24 FG 21, Others19, SF 15,FF 16, LP 7,
Undecided 22
B&A August 16 FG 19, Others 20, SF 15, FF 16, LP 4,
Undecided 26.
Millward Brown August 2 FG 19 Others 20 SF 17 FF 17 Lab 5
Undecided 23
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Proof of Research Conclusion on RED C
RED C-Average Estimates of Labour Seats in Next General Election based on these polls in all of 2015 are significantly greater than given by the two polling companies which do not use filters. Sinn Féin seats are also significantly underestimated
The Chart below is from Analyses of Polls in 2015 by Dr Adrian Kavanagh, NUIM carried on his blog Irish Elections: Geography, Facts and Analyses
The figures are the average no. of seats for each party based on all polls by the polling company concerned in 2015
Red C Av. Seats: FG 53.6, FF31.4, SF27.1, Lab7.2, Others 38.6
Ipsos MRBI Av. Seats: FG54.5, FF31.8, SF33.3, Lab4.0, Others34.5
Millward Browne AV. SEATS: FG 50.1, FF37.2,SF 36.6,Lab2.2,Others 31.4
RED C Is Completely Eliminating All Those Most “FED UP” With the Political System from its Polls!!!! DISTORTION CONTINUES!
As can be seen from the chart below this gives Red C a figure less than 15% for undecideds in all of its polls for the last 6 months. The typical figure for all other polls in the same period is 25%.
The nearest comparable election to a General Election since this government came to power was the European Election of May 2014.
RED C predictions systematically underestimated Sinn Féin outcomes and over-estimated Labour Party outcomes (see below)
Those who SAY they are unlikely to vote were eliminated from the poll
Comment by Red C is totally at variance with the outcomes-sometimes bizzaarly so. See Red C Site http://www.redcresearch.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/31214-European-Election-Candidate-Polling-April-20141.pdfv
In my earlier post I said: Red C seem to be filtering the RAW POLL DATA to establish what it calls a “Core Vote”! This effectively means RED C are applying the Likelihood to Vote filter twice!
Further investigation of the Red C mehtodology outlined on the RED C website shows that this is completely correct.
Formerly, I had assumed that the statement below described a filtering process subsequent to the establishment of a core vote. In all other Polls, “core vote” refers to raw polling data
RED C WEBSITE: “Vote intention results are based on those who will actually go and vote, using a 10 point scale, where 1 is not at all likely and 10 is very likely, those rating 4 to 10 are included as being those who will actually go and vote.”
Clearly those who say they are very unlikely to vote are completely eliminated from the poll and their voting preference is not recorded in polling data.
Many of the cohort of the population eliminated from the poll will of course actually vote. “Hump the lot of them” is a common reaction to questions on political matters from many. But they may be persuaded to vote as some have been in the past!
At a minimum it can be said that RED C poll outcomes cannot be validly compared to outcomes from any other polling company. B&A(Sunday Times) which uses similar filters, begins with a genuine core vote corresponding to raw polling data.
As can be seen from the chart below this gives Red C a figure less than 15% for undecideds in all of its polls for the last 6 months. The typical figure for all other polls in the same period is 25%.
Having established what it call a core vote (undecideds normalised to 15% in all Red C polls),RED C then proceeds to apply two filters- likelihood to vote(again) and recall of vote in last GENERAL ELECTION (not the more recent local election) filters. Where there is a difference between recall of voting by the persons polled in last general election and their current voting intention, the score for a party is placed half way between the two figures!! Under Likelihood to Vote FILTER(2) a greater weighting is given to voting preferences of those who say that they are certain to vote (7,8,9,10 on scale of 10) than those who say they will “possibly vote”(4,5,6 on a scale of 10)
In current circumstances the entire process implemented by Red C cannot fail to confer advantage on the more conservative parties and on those parties which polled well in the last general election and corresponding disadvantage on those who polled less well and on parties supported by the poorer sections of the population (“Hump all the politicians”).
While there may have been some justification for these procedures in “normal times” in the past, there can be no justification for them in circumstances where political and economic earthquakes have taken place.
The 2014 Local election constituted a political earthquake with Lab sinking deeply as SF and left independents rising dramatically
RED C should explain to the public in non-technical language the procedures it is implementing.
If these procedures were disadvantaging conservative parties and parties supported by the the rich in opinion polls, they would have been changed by now!
B&A Dec 13 : Undecided 27,
Red C DEC 3: Undecided 13%+1,
Red C Nov 23: Undecided10%-2,
Millward Brown Nov 8 Undecided 19,
RED C October 25: Undecided 12%-1
Sunday Times Oct 18 Undecided 19%
Ipsos/MRBI Sept 24 : Undecided 22,
B&A August 16 : Undecided 26,
RED C Sept 13 : Undecided 13%+1
.M B August 2: Undecided 23,
Red C July 26 Undecided 12% (-1)
B&A July 14: Undecided 23,
Red C June 28 : Undecided 13%+1
B&A June 21 : Undecided 28,
Red C SBPJUNE 7 : Undecided 13%+1
European Election May 2014
Proof of the Pudding
Dublin
Red C Prediction Lab 13
Sinn Fein 15
Result Lab 7.4
Sinn Fein 23.6
Ireland-South
Red C Prediction Prendergast Labour 9
Ni Riada SF 14
Actual Result Prendergast Labour 4.6
Liadha Ni Riada Sf 19.1
Midlands-North-West
(Red C Comment: “Henessy (Lab) could be pushing Matt Carthy (SF) for the fourth seat”–Reality: Matt Carthy got the third seat and Henessy was eliminated on the second count!!!)
RED C Prediction Labour 5
Sinn Fein 14
Result
Labour 4.9
Sinn Féin 17.7
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Red C Dec 20
Sunday Business Post-Red C poll): Fine Gael 32% , Independents and Others 23% , Sinn Fein 19% , Fianna Fail 17%% , Labour Party 9%
B&A Dec 13 FG 31%, FF 19%, SF 17%, LP 8% , Others 25
In the context of a Margin of Error of 3%, there is no significant difference between the overall outcome of these 2 polls on successive Sundays
Both B&A and Red C use similar Filters which advantage FG and Labour and disadvantage Sinn Féin.
In addition, Red C seem to be filtering the RAW POLL DATA to establish what it calls a “Core Vote”! This effectively means RED C are applying the Likelihood to Vote filter twice! B&A recorded an undecided figure of 27% last week. This is in line with typical Ipsos/MRBI (Irish Times) and Millward Brown(Sunday Independent) findings. RTE has just put the undecided vote at 15% in RED C this week. It says this is up by 5% since The last SBP RED C poll. A difference of 12% in “undecideds” in a week in which there has been no major political developments cannot be due to changes in the sentiment of voters. Clearly, as I suggested earlier, RED C is filtering the RAW POLL DATA to establish its “Core Vote”! RED C should state exactly what it is doing!!
Taking this into account, it is possible that this Red C Poll is marginally worse for government parties than the B&A poll last week!
In the context of the effective application of 3 filters by Red C, the Sinn Féin score of 19% is very healthy
However,
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Labour Collapsing Among Poorer Half of Population
LABOUR
Poorer Half (C2DE Social Groups) 4% Undecided 29%
Richer Half (ABC1 Social Groups) 6% Undecided 23%
EXTREME DISTORTION BY FILTERS IN B&A DEC 13
Sinn Féin Depressed 21 to 17%
Fine Gael Raised 27 to 31 %
Labour Raised 7 to 8%
Fianna Fail Depressed 21 to 19%
B&A DEC13 UNADJUSTED By FILTERS—Eliminating Undecideds Only
FG 27, Others 25, SF 21, FF 21, Lab 7
That Would Have Been The Outcome in Millward Brown or IPSOS/MRBI !!
Behaviour And Attitudes Sunday Times Dec 13
LIKE RED C, B&A also uses filters which, typically benefit FG and Lab and disadvantage Sinn Féin
There were 27% undecided, again far above Red C estimates
New B&A poll. Headline figures as follows:
FG 31%(+5), FF 19%(+1), SF 17%(-4), LP 8% (+1), Others 25(-2)
OF Others
AAA-PBP 4%,GP 4%, IND ALL 2%, SD 1%, RENUA 1%, WP 1%, IND 11%
The comparison is with the Last B&A poll taken a month ago
If a comparison is made with Red C in Sunday business Post last week (below), there is little change in the context of a margin of error of 3%.
It is clear that FG is on an upward trend in recent months mainly at the expense of non-socialist independents and Renua. Labour is stuck at about 8% with the help of filters.
Sinn Féin and FF are becalmed
There are also left-wing TDs opposed to coalition with FF and FG in the IND 11%–Seamus Healy, Joan Collins, Clare Daly
Together with 4% for AAA-PBP it is probable that anti-coalition left poll is comparable to that of Labour Party
REGIONAL SCORES
Before Undecideds(27 to 30%) were distributed
Regional vote for Labour Was
Dublin 7%, Leinster 5% Munster 5% Connacht/Ulster 0%
Sinn Féin
Dublin 15% Leinster23% Munster10% Connacht/Ulster16%
Others
Dublin 19% Leinster 13% Munster 19% Connacht/Ulster 11%
FG
Dublin 18% Leinster 19% Munster 18% Connacht/Ulster 25%
FF
Dublin 10% Leinster 12% Munster 16% connacht/Ulster 28%
CORE VOTES NOW on B&A Site
RED C is omitted from series below as Red core vote is pre-processed
Labour core votes since August 5, 4, 7, 4, 5, 5 !!!!
B&A Dec 3 FG 20 Others 20, LP 5, SF 16, FF 15,
Undecided 27
Millward Brown Nov 8 FG 24,Others 16, SF 17,FF 19,LP 5,
Undecided 19
Sunday Times Oct 18 FG 19,Other 29, SF 17, FF 11, Lab 4,
undecided 19%
Ipsos/MRBI Sept 24 FG 21, Others19, SF 15,FF 16, LP 7,
Undecided 22
Behav. and Att August 16 : FG 19, Others 20, SF 15, FF 16, LP 4,
Undecided 26.
Millward Brown August 2 FG 19 Others 20 SF 17 FF 17 Lab 5
Undecided 23
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Red C Paddy Power Dec 3
Fine Gael 28% (down 3%), Independents and Others 25% (NC), Fianna Fail 20% (up 1%), Sinn Fein 18% (NC), Labour Party 9% (NC).
As usual in RED C, Lab get a lift of 1% and SF get a reduction of 1% due to the filters. There is a level of “undecideds” which is well below levels in all other polls taken at roughly the same time. Clearly the “core vote” in Red C is not the raw poll unlike the case in other polls.
Because of the low regional sample size, we must be careful about conclusions
However the very low 6% for Labour in Munster is part of trend. The figure for Connacht/Ulster is 7% !!!!!!!!!!!!!-Dublin 12%, Rest of Leinster 13%
The traditional Labour vote in Munster is heavily weighted towards the working class
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Red C Nov 21
Despite Pre-Processing (artificially low number of undecided voters) and the use of filters which favour Labor Party, Labour remains stuck on 7%. Based on D’Hondt system of seat allocation, Labour would secure only 1 seat in a general election-in Dublin Soth central. On the basis of this poll its main role will be to elect additional FG candidates on the basis of transfers from Labour.
RED C 21/11/2015
Here’s the breakdown:
- Fine Gael: 31% (up 1)
- Fianna Fáil: 19% (down 1)
- Sinn Féin: 18% (up two)
- Labour: 7% (no change)
- Independents/Others: 25% (down 2)
Those polled were not asked which independent or small party they favoured but 4% volunteered that they would vote for AAA/PBP!!!
This is within the 25% for others above
This is consistent with the 9% score by AAA/PBP in the B&A Sunday Times PolL published last Sunday
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Scandalous Suppression of Bad News for Government by RTE
It is SCANDALOUS that this is not being covered on RTE after all the hype for FG last week
Radical Parties Reach 30% as Labour Drops—Stephen O’Brien, Sunday Times 15/11/2015
” The Labour Party’s poor result(in B&APoll) is echoed in the satisfaction ratings , where there is a FIVE POINT fall in the number of people satisfied with the government performace with Enda Kenny, the Taiseach, is down 2 points to 31%(satisfaction) and Joan burton, the Tánaiste drops to 34%” -Sunday Times to-day
Labour Disaster in B&A Sunday Times Poll
Good Poll for the Left and Sinn Fein
Core Vote
FG 18, Others20, SF 17,FF14, Lab5, undecided 26
Excluding Undecided(no filters)
FG 25, Others 26,SF 23, FF19, Lab 7 The outcome comparable to Millward Brown In S Independent Last week
Excluding Undecided with Filters
FG 26,Others 26,SF 21,FF 20,Lab 7. FILTERS REDUCE SF vote and increase FG
Labour is one point down on August 2016 in Sunday Times B&A Poll tomorrow
In Overall Outcome Labour 7%, AAA/PBP 9%
AAA/PBP + Seamus Healy Td + Clare Daly Td + Joan Collins TD+ Cllr Kieran Perry +Cllr Brendan Young= 9% + + + + +
Poorest Half of Population (social categories C2DE) including Undecided-No filters
SF 23, Others 19,FF13, FG12, Lab5, Undecided 29
Excluding Undecided no filters
SF 32, Others 27% , FF 18% FG 17, Lab 10
Dublin Including Undecided(No filters)
FG 17,Others 23, SF 15,FF 11,Lab 7, Undecided 27
Dublin Excluding Undecided no filters
Others 32, FG 23, SF 21, FF 15, Lab 10
within “Others” AAA/PBP 17%! – greater than FF and Labour
Munster Including Undecided no Filters
SF 18, FF 18,Others 15, FG 14,Lab 4, Undecided 31
Munster Excluding Undecided-no filters
SF 26 FF 26 Others 22 FG 20 Lab 6%
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MINISTER Sherlock(Labour) in Trouble in Cork East
A former Labour Party stalwart in Co Cork, Cllr Noel McCarthy, is expected to announce within days that he will join Fine Gael and run as a candidate for that party in the next general election.-Irish Examiner 11/11/2015
(He has now been removed From Labour Party Website)
Cllr McCarthy headed the poll in Fermoy Ward of Cork Co council in local elections. In the Kanturk-Mallow Ward , home base of Minister Sean Sherlock, the labour party candidate came second last and was eliminated
Could this be a trend? Remenber Labour leader, Michael O’Leary joining Fine Gael!
Millward Brown Poll NOV 8 and Recent Core Votes in other Polls
Margin of Error c. + or – 3%
B&A Jan 17 FG 20% IND/OTH 19% FF 15% SF 14% LP 4% GP 2%
Undecided 27%
B&A Dec 3 FG 20 Others 20, LP 5, SF 16, FF 15,
Undecided 27
Millward Brown Nov 8 FG 24,Others 16, SF 17,FF 19,LP 5,
Undecided 19
Sunday Times Oct 18 FG 19,Other 29, SF 17, FF 11, Lab 4,
undecided 19%
Ipsos/MRBI Sept 24 FG 21, Others19, SF 15,FF 16, LP 7,
Undecided 22
Behav. and Att August 16 : FG 19, Others 20, SF 15, FF 16, LP 4,
Undecided 26.
Millward Brown August 2 FG 19 Others 20 SF 17 FF 17 Lab 5
Undecided 23
LABOUR ALLOCATED ZERO SEATS ON BASIS OF POLL By Adrian Kavanagh, NUI-MAYNOOTH
The old story which began in 1948 (or more correctly in 1921) is reasserting itself–Labour destroying itself propping up FG!
REd C Filters Distort Outcome as Usual
From Red C Site
The “core vote ” below cannot be unprocessed data. As usual the “undecided” figure at 15 is well below the same figure in all other polls which is typically over 20
As usual Labour Gain and SF lose in the filtering process
From Red C Site
“Core Vote”
FG 25 Lab 5 FF 16 SF 15 Others 24 Undecided 15
Eliminating Undecideds but without Filtering
FG 29.4 Lab 5.9 FF 18.8 SF 17.6 Others 28.2
Final Outcome –After Filtering and eliminating Undecideds
FG 30 Lab 7 FF20 SF 16 Others 27
Labour Meltdown. Labour drop 3% to 7% in RED C POLL OCT 25 Independents Remain Very Strong at 28%
FG 14%
FF 13%
Lab 6%
Undecided 26%
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Shocking Performance by Labour Party(4%) in Dublin in B&A Poll Sunday Times Oct 18
Sample 248 MOE +or- 6%
Other 25%,FG 19%, SF 17%, FF 11%, Green 4%, Lab 4%, undecided 19%
Sunday Times B&A poll National Vote//
New IPSOS/MRBI POLL Sept 24 When core votes are considered, in the context of a margin of error of + or – 2.8%, there appears to be no definite trend since June
CORE VOTES (Red C Polls are omitted because undecided voters are being returned at typically at 10 points lower than in all other polls)
Margin of Error c. + or – 3%
Ipsos/MRBI Sept 24 FG 21, Others19, SF 15,FF 16, LP 7, undecided 22
Behav. and Att August 16 : FG 19, Others 20, SF 15, FF 16, LP 4, Undecided 26.
Millward Brown August 2 FG 19 Others 20 SF 17 FF 17 Lab 5 Undecided 23
Behav. and Att. July 14 FG 18 Others 25 SF 15 FF 15 Lab 5 Undecided 23
MillwardBrown June 28 FG 23 Others 17 SF 17 FF 19 Lab 5 Undecided 19
Behav. and Att. June 21 FG 15, Others 20, SF 16, FF 17, Lab 4, Undecided 28
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Irish Examiner Aug 5
Minister Kathleen Lynch missed the deadline yesterday to seek a Labour Party nomination for her constituency of Cork North Central.
Not a single Labour candidate had emerged by the noon deadline, despite the fact that Ms Lynch has repeatedly rejected rumours that she is to retire from parliamentary politics.
While her name can be added to the ticket at the constituency convention next Thursday, there was widespread confusion last night among leading party supporters about whether Ms Lynch will run or not.
“Kathleen Lynch has made no final decision as to whether she will put herself forward as a candidate in the next general election,” a Labour Party spokesman said last evening.
Labour Panic Sets In !!! TD Scrambles for FG Transfers as Labour Vote Plummets
B&A August 16 Core Vote FG 19%, IND/OTH 19%, FF 16%, SF 15%, LP 4%, GP 1%, Undecided 26%.
This is as low as Labour has been for over a year. If undecideds had merely been eliminated as happens in all polls except Red C and B&A the final outcome would have been 5% not the 6% reported in Sunday Times Aug 16
The elevation from 5 to 6% is as a result of the application of filters which are no longer applicable in my opinion.
The reality is that when 898 people were asked, 36 said that they would vote Labour and 135 said they would vote for Sinn Féin. This is dreadful news for the Labour Party. NUI Maynooth, political geographer, Adrian Kavanagh awrded Labour 1 seat only on the basis of the poll.
See the 7 most recent polls, including this B&A Poll, below
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August 2
Labour Remain at Rock Bottom at Average 5% Score in 6 recent Polls.
The most recent is the Millward Brown Poll in Sunday Independent August 2
There is some evidence from the set of 6 core votes below that the high vote for FG in Millward Brown June 28 was an “outlier” or statistical freak. In other words the Fine Gael score was already much lower in reality. One week previously B&A reported FG a full 8 points lower in it’s core vote. The Labour scores are consistently bleak.
July 18 Ind/Others Soar to 32%
FF+FG may not make a majority?
B&A Poll Sunday Times July 18
Sinn Féin score was reduced by 3 points in Sunday Times/B&A Poll by use of “filters”
SF would have got 20% not 17% in other polls based on same data
Significant 5 point move from undecided to independents/others (32%)
B&A July 14 Margin of Error +or -3% on scores of individual parties
http://banda.ie/wp-content/uploads/Sunday-Times-Poll-18th-July-2015.pdf
Core: July 14 FF 15 FG 18 SF 15 Lab 5 Others 25 Undecided 23—–B&A
Core: June 15 FF 17 FG15 SF 16 Lab 4 Others 20 Undecided 28——-B&A
July 14 B&A Excluding Undecided Unadjusted (No Filters used)
FF19 FG24 Lab7 SF 20 Others32
July 14 B&A Final Outcome-Excluding Undecided With use of likelihood to vote and recall of vote in last GENERAL ELECTION Filters
FF 18 FG24 Lab8 SF17 Others 32
Core Votes Since Mid-March (Red C excluded due to unexplained “pre-processing” of core votes by Red C)
Core Votes http://wp.me/pKzXa-jh
B&A July 14 FG 18 Others 25 SF 15 FF 15 Lab 5 Undecided 23
B&A June 21 FG 15, Others 20, SF 16, FF 17, Lab 4, Undecided 28
Ipsos/Mrbi May 18 FG 22 Others 19 SF 17 FF 15 LP 6 Undecided 21
B&A May 17 FG 19 Others23 SF 17 FF 12 LP 5 Undecided 25
Millward Brown April 4 FG 20 Others 16, SF 19 FF 15 Lab 7, Undecided 20
Ipsos/MRBI Mar 25 FG 18, Others 22, SF 18 FF 13, Lab 5, Undecided 24
B&A Mar 16 FG 19 Others 19, SF19 FF 14, Lab 5, Undecided 24
Red C June 26 CORE
FG 24, Others 22, FF 17 SF 17, Lab 5, Undecided 15 Margin of error +or – 3%
Core Vote (before filters are applied and before elimination of undecided) As undecided is again unusually low in Red C, it appears that some processing of raw vote has already taken place
FG 24, Others 22, FF 17 SF 17, Lab 5, Undecided 15 Margin of error +or – 3%
Very low level of support for Labour Confirmed 5% +or – 3!!!!!
FF, SF are neck and neck for months
UPDATE June 21
B&A Poll Sunday Times Sunday June 21 (%)
The main feature of this B&A Poll is the decline of 5 points in the core vote for government parties and the increase of 5 points for FF in comparison with B&a poll of May 17, almost exactly a month ago. Labour is again at its lowest ever(?) core vote of 4%. This means that only 40 out of 1000 positively said that they would vote Labour when asked.
As polling companies employ “adjustments” to the raw poll which may be specific to each, it is best to compare raw votes or core votes. I have argued that the filters employed by B&A and REd C are inappropriate in current political circumstances. This is underlined again to-day in the fact that Labour who got only 4% in the core vote gained 3% from the filters!!!! The 28% undecided in this poll underlines again the question mark over the Undecided figures in Red C polls(14% on June 7)
Core Vote
In comparison to B&A 17.5.2015 almost exactly a month ago
Ind/Others 20(-3), FF17(+5), SF16(-1), FG 15(-4), Lab 4(-1), Undecided 28(+3)
Excluding Undecided
Ind/Otthers 29, FF 24, SF 22, FG 21, LAB 6,
“Adjusted” for likelihood to vote and recall of past voting intention
Ind/Others 28, FF21, SF 19, FG 24, Lab 9.
Core Votes
B&A July 14 FF 15 FG 18 SF 15 Lab 5 Others 25 Undecided 23
Red C June 26 FG 24, Others 22, FF 17 SF 17, Lab 5, Undecided 15
B&A June 21 FG 15, Others 20, SF 16, FF 17, Lab 4, Undecided 28
Red C SBP JUNE 7 FG 25 Others 18 SF 19 FF17 LP 7 Undecided 14
Ipsos/Mrbi 18/5 FG 22 Others 19 SF 17 FF 15 LP 6 Undecided 21
B&A 17/5 FG 19 Others23 SF 17 FF 12 LP 5 Undecided 25
Millward Brown April 4 FG 20 Others 16, SF 19 FF 15 Lab 7, Undecided 20
Red C Mar 29 FG23 Others 24 SF 16 FF15 Lab 8 Undecided 14
Ipsos/MRBI Mar 25 FG 18, Others 22, SF 18 FF 13, Lab 5, Undecided 24
B&A Mar 16 Fg 19 Others 19, SF19 FF 14, Lab 5, Undecided 24
Red C Feb 22 Fg 21 Others 26 Sf 19 FF 15 Lab 5 Undecided 14
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Why the Discrepency in “Undecideds” between RED C and All other Polling Companies?
“UNDECIDED” AVERAGE
Red C (3polls) Average Undecided 14%
All other Polling Companies (6 polls) Average undecided 25%
Margin of error on Polls is typically c 3%
RED C must be doing something quite different in determining “undecideds” than all other polling companies
Red C site: Vote intention results are based on those who will actually go and vote, using a 10 point scale, where 1 is not at all likely and 10 is very likely, those rating 4 to 10 are included as being those who will actually go and vote
Does this mean that only those rating 4 to 10 are included in “core vote”.
After a core vote is established in Red C polls a likelihood to vote filter is applied subsequently! Is this filtering based solely on the 4 to 10 likely to vote cohort?
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May 24 LABOUR DISASTER IN CARLOW-KILKENNY BYE-ELECTION Labour Tally Carlow-Kilkenny Bye Election Labour Candidate Willie Quinn Lives near Bagenalstown (Muine Beag) Carlow area where he got almost 50% of his votes. He as the only candidate of a major party from Co Carlow. Otherwise he would have dipped below 5% over all!!!!! He got only(c.1500) or 3% of the vote in Co Kilkenny where Minister of State Phelan is a Labour TD 96% of boxes tallied LAB % Area Total Muine Beag 2094 21.6% 9694 Carlow Town 738 7.9% 9341 ——————————————————————————– Co Carlow Total 2832 14.9% 19,035 Castlecomer 415 3.6% 11,528 Kilkenny west 170 1.6% 10,625 Kilkenny East 377 3.4% 11,088 Ferry bank 257 2.4 % 10,708 Postal votes 40 7.8% 513 Co Kilkenny Total 1259 2.8% 44,462 Constituency Total 4,091 6.44% 63,497 Actual First Count 4,673 7.0% 66,834 The tallies above can be “fitted” to the actual outcome by increasing the area totals by 5% and the Labour totals by 11% The 5% increase in area totals and in the tallied total valid poll corresponds to compensation for the 4% of boxes not tallied. The 11% increase in Labour totals in each area and in the Labour total corresponds to a combination of compensation for boxes not tallied and for the fact that the tally team missed 1 in 20 of Labour votes. This is not unusual. Government Support Exactly Halved in Bye-Election! First Preference Vote Carlow Kilkenny Constituency General Election 2011 FG+Lab 39.22+16.25 =55.47% Bye-Election 2015 FG+Lab 20.6+7.0 =27.6% Reduction in Gov Support = 27.87% Break the Media Conspiracy of Silence!!! If this were repeated in a General Election in the 5 seat Carlow-Kilkenny Constituency, Labour would lose the seat held by Minister Phelan FG would definitely lose 1 of its 3 seats but could lose 2 Fianna Fail likely to gain a seat ending with 2 Sinn Féin Will definitely take a seat Sinn Féin First Pref Bye-election 16.2% Sinn Féin First Pref in GE 2011 9.54% Quota in 5 seat Constituency 16.7% Not Mentioned In Media!!! Very Bad Bye-Election for Fine Gael –Drop of 15% of Poll on 2011 General Election After the General Election 2011 Fine Gael Held 3 Seats in Carlow-Kilkenny having polled 39.22% of First Preference Votes General Election 2011 FG First Preference Total= 39.22% Bye-Election 2015 FG First Preference 13,744 20.6% FG First Pref.+Renua Transfers 13,74+2,263=16,007 24.0% Reduction 15.22%
May 18
Only 60 out of a thousand say they will vote Labour in IPSOS/MRBI Poll Dr Adrian Kavanagh NUIM Predicts 2 seats for Labour!
Fianna Fail 36, Fine Gael 55, Sinn Fein 33, Labour Party 2, Independents and Others 32
Dreadful News For Labour Confirmed in Second Poll
No Difference in 2 Recent Polls when Margin of Error(MoE) is Applied
Comparing Raw Polls
Ipsos/Mrbi Monday 18/5 FG 22 Others 19 SF 17 FF 15 LP 6 Undecided 21 MoE +or-2.8% B&A Sunday 17/5 FG 19 Others23 SF 17 FF 12 LP 5 Undecided 25 MoE +or -3.2% (Ipsos/Mrbi, unlike B&A, doesn’t use Filters)
May 17 B&A General Election Poll Sunday May 17 Only 50 out of a thousand say they will vote Labour in Poll! Gap of 2% between SF and FG in Raw Poll increases to 7% due to Processing Labour Vote almost Increases by three fifths in “Processing” http://banda.ie/wp-content/uploads/J.6535-Sunday-Times-May-Poll-2015.pdf
Stated Outcome: Fine Gael 27% (NC), Independents and Others 26% (up 2%), Sinn Fein 20% (up 1%), Fianna Fail 17% (down 1%), Labour Party 8% (down 1%), Green Party 3% (NC).
B&A May 17 Raw Vote FG 19 Others23 Sinn Féin 17 FF 12 LP 5
Undecided 25
Excluding Undecided1 FG 25 Others 30 Sinn Féin 22 FF 15 LP 7 Filters Applied2 FG 27 Others29 Sinn Fein 20 FF 17 LP 83 ———————————————————————————————————————————————————————————— 1 without rounding FG 25.3 Others 30.7 SF22.7 FF 16(?) LP 6.7 2 Liklihood to vote and Past Voting Record in GENERAL ELECTION filters used
3 LP vote is so small that exclusion of undecideds, rounding and filters increase it by 3/5=60% April 28 RED C releases Core Vote Final Outcome is reached by applying a likelihood to vote filter, then a recall of voting in last GENERAL Election filter and finally by eliminating the modified undecided which was 14%( not 20% as in core vote!) Core Vote Undecided 20 Others 20 FF 14 FG 20 Lab 6 SF 20
Final outcome Others 26 FF 19 FG 25 Lab 8 SF 22
Note how FG and Lab are advantaged by this process and Sinn Féin is disadvantaged in this process
% of core vote by which each party increases through Red C processing FG +25% SF +10% Lab +33% FF + 35% Others + 30%
April 26 Red C (SBP)
Final outcome FG 25% [-2%]. LP 8% [-2%], SF 22% [+5%], FF 19% [+1%], Ind/Small Parties 26 [-2%].
Corevote Undecided 17% Others 22 FF 16 FG 21 Lab 7 SF 18
full Red C Results not yet posted
Update March 30 CORE VOTES Red C Mar 29 Undecided 14 Others 24 FF15 FG23 Lab 8 SF 16 Ipsos/MRBI Mar 25 Undecided 24, Others 22, FF 13, FG 18, Lab 5,SF 18 B&A Mar 16 Undecided 24, Others 19, FF 14, Fg 19, Lab 5, SF 19 Is it credible that 10% of population left “undecided”, made up their minds and 8% extra voted for government parties within a week in which no major political event took place? Is Red C “pre-processing” data to get core vote ? Or is it asking further questions of “undecideds”.? If so it should declare this on its site. “Undecided” voter figures are consistently lower in Red C than in other polls On the blog The Cedar Lounge Revolution, Liberius has stated://
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“It’s worth pointing out though that Red C’s numbers are statistically more favourable to FG and Labour than any of the other polling firms; an average of 28% for FG in all of their polls since January 2012, with an average of 11% for Labour.” (See below for use of special weighting factors or filters by Red C and B&A which are not used by Ipsos/Mrbi or Millward Brown ).
UPDATE MARCH 25 IPSOS/MRBI(Irish Times) to-day is virtually identical to B&A(Sunday Times) March 16 Ipsos/MRBI Mar 25 Undecided 24, Others 22, FF 13, FG 18, Lab 5, SF 18 B&A Mar 16 Undecided 24, Others 19, FF 14, Fg 19, Lab 5, SF 19 The probable error for 95% confidence on each party score is approximately 3% in both cases Ipsos/Mrbi unlike B&A, does not use likelihood to vote or recall of vote in the last general election filters(weighting factors). The final outcome in B&A for FG was 27% and for SF was 19% !!! The final outcome in IPSOS/MRBI for FG was 24% and for SF was 24% !!! The difference is the application of outdated filters by B&A!!!! I can see or hear no comment in the media this morning to the effect that the results of the two polls are in fact identical. !!!!! VOTE By Social Stratum in IPSOS/MRBI Poll Today (Percentages) These figures should be treated with caution as the probable error on them is very high due to low sample size The social strata in descending order of wealth and status are taken as A,B, C, D1, D2
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A+B voters: FG 43, Ind/Oth 31, FF 14, Lab 7, SF 6 C1 voters: Ind/Oth 29, FG 24, FF 19, SF 19, Lab 9 C2 voters: Ind/Oth 31, SF 30, FG 19, FF 14, Lab 5 D+E voters: SF 36, Ind/Oth 26, FF 16, FG 15, Lab 8 Note the huge 43% for FG in the two uppermost strata and the large 36% for Sinn Féin among the two lowest strata. The really bad news for Labour is that it is only scoring 8% among the two lowest strata!!!! It comes last of all parties and others among the poorest strata. Farmers are treated seperately with F1 being the catefory of those above 50 good acres and F2 being those below that. F1/F2 voters: FG 35, FF 29, SF 17, Ind/Oth 17, Lab 2 FF+FG account for 64% but 17% for Sinn Féin is substantial.
UPDATE MARCH 16,2015 OUTDATED FILTERS DISTORT POLLS-Advantaging Government Parties Poll Results Distorted By Filters Unlike Millward Brown who simply eliminate undecideds B&A and REDC who reported in recent days apply “filters” to voting intentions expressed in polls Take the recent Sunday Times B&A Poll as an example. B&A Mar15 Undecided 24, Others 19, FF 14, FG 19, Lab 5, SF 19-Core Vote B&A website The elimination of undecided gave Others 25% FF 18 FG 25% Lab 7 SF 25%—–B&A website But after “Filtering” Sinn Fein were 6% lower and FG were 2% higher giving Others 26% FF18% FG 27% Lab 9% SF 19% —B&A website Overall FG and SF started on 19% in core vote –FG rose by 8 points to 27% but Sinn Féin remained on 19% after processing despite the elimination of 24% undecided!!!! The actual Labour vote was almost doubled!! Why Filters Employed by B&A and REDC Are No Longer Valid Likelihood To Vote Filter Unlike recent GENERAL elections the less well-off are not now passive but are actively organising against austerity. Those of us who regularly call to homes in local authority estates know that the residents are “spitting blood” at the government and particularly at the Labour Party and rightly so. They will be highly motivated to vote in the next general election. This should largely cancel out the perception that “the poor don’t vote” as expressed in this filter. Recall of Voting in Last General Election Filter This filter puts in to effect the normal tendency of voter to “stray” between general elections but to return to old habits in the actual election. Given the political earthquake evident in the recent local and European elections it is clear that this tendency is very unlikely to be as effective as in the past if, indeed, it exists at all. Indeed, it is my view that poll results would be even more highly distorted by this filter but for the “selective amnesia” of human beings in relation to unpleasant events and past misdeeds. Fortunately, large numbers who clearly voted for FG and Lab cannot recall doing so!!!!! ——————————————————————- 27-10-2013 It is important to realise that the 9% attributed to Labour by RED C is not an increase on the 6% attributed to it on Oct 1 by Irish Times IPSOS/MRBI. This is because these polling companies process the raw data quite differently. Dr Adrian Kavanagh(NUI Maynooth) has pointed out that Labour is polling consistently higher in Red C polls. In previous messages, I have shown how Red C unduly elevates the Labour (and the FG) votes. This is basically because REd C allocates half the “DONT’T Knows” (after the c. 10% who are unlikely to vote are excluded) in the proportion achieved by the parties in the last general election as recalled by those polled! This cannot fail to advantage Labour and FG and to disadvantage FF , SF and Others. I believe that this process is unjustified in a rapidly changing and unprecedented political situation, The IPSOS/MRBI figure(6%) for Labour is the lowest since 1987. The RED C figure(9%) for Labour is the lowest for decades. According to Dr Kavanagh, based on essentially similar raw data in both polls, if IPSOS/MRBI forecast turns out to be correct in a general election, Labour will get between zero and four seats. If the REDC forecast turns out to be correct, Labour will get 9 seats In any event Labour will suffer huge losses in the local and European elections RED C explains its treatment of raw data here: http://redcresearch.ie/blog/do-undecided-voters-desire-for-new-party Analysis by Dr Kavanagh, including allocation of seats by constituency in accordance with the poll, is available here: http://politicalreform.ie/2013/10/26/apres-la-guerre-constituency-level-analyses-of-post-budget-opinion-polls/ Paddy Healy
ESRI In Denial-Opinion Slot for Director in IRISH TIMES
ESRI in Denial
The Irish Times (Jan 12) has given free rein to the ESRI to cover up its past. Above all, ESRI failed to give adequate warning of the danger to the Irish economy from the combination of excessive bank borrowing abroad and excessive lending both at home and abroad.
The level of denial by the ESRI itself and the extent of the protection from criticism it has enjoyed in the media has particular dangers for citizens. The dangers in the current austerity policy are sure to be understated by ESRI if radical change in the governance of the Institute does not take place.
ESRI director is given the facility of a personal opinion piece in the newspaper, to-day Jan 12. In addition, under the heading “Director says ESRI economy warnings ignored“ Paul Cullen of the Irish Times political staff wrote an article which contained no quotations from anybody other than the ESRI director. I had been interviewed for half an hour on telephone by Paul Cullen in advance of the publication of the article. The article begins: “SUCCESSIVE GOVERNMENTS deliberately ignored warnings from the Economic and Social Research Institute about the dangers of an overheating economy, according to its director, Prof Frances Ruane. Prof Ruane yesterday defended the independence of the ESRI and the accuracy of its forecasting in the face of trenchant criticism last week by departing staff member Richard Tol.” In a third article, also by Paul Cullen, some criticism is carried including a criticism of the governance of the Institute by myself. This article says that the Institute circulated Morgan Kelly’s article (July 1997) predicting the “bust” without saying that the Institute had dissociated itself from it! As I explain below, the Institute was saying the opposite at the time.
What are the facts? The Irish economy was in mortal danger in Summer 2007. “Members of the Media should note that Professor Morgan Kelly is not a staff member of The ESRI. Whilst this Article has been accepted for publication by The ESRI, the views expressed are not the views of The ESRI”. This is the legend that accompanied the circulation by ESRI of the article by Morgan Kelly in July 2007 predicting the bursting of the property bubble and its consequences. There is no record in the article of the director being asked to explain this disclaimer.(The journalist had discussed this contention in my letter to all media with me)
But what was the ESRI itself saying at the same time in Summer 2007? In Spring 2006 the Institute had predicted a soft landing saying: “We add our voice to those expressing concern about the possibility of a bubble bursting. However, this does not imply that a sharp fall will occur. A soft landing is still the more likely outcome.” In its Quarterly Economic Commentary, Summer 2007, a “smooth transition” was predicted. “As the housing boom comes to an end, the economy must move resources to other areas of economic activity, such that the transition is as smooth as possible in terms of output and employment. We are optimistic that a smooth transition will occur and this is reflected in our forecasts for services and industry growth. However, if the current high rate of CPI inflation feeds into excessive wage demands, this could endanger a smooth transition. (Preamble to QEC, Summer 2007). And in its General Assessment, the same publication states : “With employment growth slowing, tax revenues growing more slowly than last year and early indicators of activity in house building pointing towards a slowdown, our task in producing forecasts has been to estimate whether the slowdown will be moderate or otherwise.For now, our belief is that the slowdown will indeed be moderate.”
The same publication pointed to dangers to their optimistic outcome. Was there any mention of excessive bank borrowing and lending? Not a word. The main danger was wage inflation according to ESRI. Government and employers cannot have been unhappy with that!
The contention in my letter to the media that the warnings were so understated as to be totally ineffective is more than justified. This is particularly so as the warnings were addenda to optimistic predictions at a time when the country was hurtling towards receivership.
No Academic Freedom at Economic and Social Research Institute
Professor Richard Tol recently departed from the Economic and Social Reserch Institute. In an interview with Colm Keena (Irish Times Jan 2, 2012) he criticised the lack of academic freedom at the Institute. Read full article pasted below. As the role of the ESRI is to advise the government and the citizens on economic matters the statements made by Professor Tol should give rise to great concern. Yet ESRI had not seen fit to comment on these statements(Jan 2) until Sunday Jan 8. I believe that my letters to the media and my tweets played a role in eliciting the reply. The issue is covered in an article in Sunday Independent Jan 8 (Analysis, Daniel McConnell P8) and was discussed on Marian Finucane Show on Sunday Jan 8. Richard Toll, in the course of his interview with Daniel McConnell, stated “You work on the basis of professional integrity. In the ESRI you are not supposed to talk outside your area of expertise. That is perfectly acceptable. However, in the last two years or so there was quite strong pressure from the director to keep messages out of the media that are not politically acceptable or that might upset council members or funders.” A tweet by Richard Toll is also quoted:”It was funny to hear academics complain about distant threats to academic freedom. At the ESRI, we were muffled,” The ESRI has denied the allegations saying: “The allegations made by Richard Tol are wholly unsubstantiated.”The article from the Sunday Independent is pasted below.
In the course of the Marian Finucane Show distinguished Journalist, Sam Smyth said:”They say that if you live in Rome you shouldn’t fight with the Pope and there is a relationship between the state and the ESRI”. He seemed to be justifying the ESRI position. Of course, the lack of freedom for the ESRI and its researchers to criticise government policy is the core issue.
My letter(text below) to the editor on this matter was published in Irish Independent to-day, Jan 6
From Paddy Healy Convener of Campaign for Academic Freedom, 086-4183732
88 Griffith Court,
Fairview,
Dublin 3
Dear Editor,
Academic Freedom and ESRI
“Members of the Media should note that Professor Morgan Kelly is not a staff member of The ESRI. Whilst this Article has been accepted for publication by The ESRI, the views expressed are not the views of The ESRI”. This is the legend that accompanied the circulation by ESRI of the article by Morgan Kelly in July 2007 predicting the bursting of the property bubble and its consequences. Professor Richard Tol ,who has recently left ESRI, is right when he says: “the institute did issue warnings about policy during the Ahern years, but did not do so loudly enough”.
In fact the warnings were so understated as to be totally ineffective.
The allegations of lack of independence and absence of academic freedom for researchers at ESRI by Richard Tol are a very serious matter for Irish citizens. The institute is largely funded by the state. Citizens are entitled to expect full and unbiased information in economic matters. The council of ESRI is a self-perpetuating establishment club. Candidates for election to the governing body must be pre-approved by a majority of the existing members of the council.
The remedy for this extremely unsatisfactory situation follows from the remark by Richard Tol “In a university you can say what you like if you behave responsibly. It’s not the same with the ESRI”. Clearly the ESRI should be subsumed into a university or other third level institute where academic freedom is either guaranteed by law or enshrined in contracts of employment.
Yours sincerely,
Paddy Healy 086-4183732
Note from Paddy Healy
In 2005, as president of Teachers Union of Ireland, I was proposed for a vacancy on the Council of ESRI by Dublin Institute of Technology having been a member of the Governing Body and Academic Council of DIT for several years.
My nomination was declared invalid at the AGM as my candidacy was not “pre-approved” by the existing Council.
Economist criticises aspects of ESRI
COLM KEENA
Mon, Jan 02, 2012
ENERGY ECONOMIST Richard Tol, who has left the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI) to take up the position of professor of economics with Sussex University, has criticised aspects of the public think-tank.
Prof Tol said the financial position of the institute affected the independence of the work it produced. He said people who worked there were discouraged from expressing personal opinions to journalists or on social media sites such as Twitter.
Efforts to contact representatives of the institute were unsuccessful.
Prof Tol spoke to The Irish Times yesterday after he had posted a number of comments on Twitter about his decision to leave the ESRI after five and a half years. “In a university you can say what you like if you behave responsibly. It’s not the same with the ESRI,” he said. “If you violate policy and upset people, you can get into trouble.”
He said the institute’s independence was compromised by the fact it got so much of its funding from government. He said this could manifest itself in the way the research it conducts is put into the public domain.
He was critical of the standard of information technology available at the institute.
In one of his tweets he said it was not a coincidence he was one of five senior research professors who had left over the past number of years. The institute has about 40 research assistants and about 10 research professors, he told The Irish Times. “So five in the last five years is significant.”
The ESRI was set up during the Lemass era to improve the quality of policy analysis available to the government.
Prof Tol said the institute did issue warnings about policy during the Ahern years, but did not do so loudly enough.
He said the institute did not have a banking expert even though during the bubble years banking was one of the economy’s largest sectors. “So the whole thing of the bank crisis caught the ESRI from left field.”
The international financial crisis, he said, was caused by factors that the whole of the international economics profession believed could not happen. “So you can’t blame the ESRI on that.”
When Ireland was joining the euro the institute had warned that fiscal policy would have to take account of the new situation, but Charlie McCreevy then became minister for finance “and went in the opposite direction to where we should be going”.
This was criticised by the institute but not loudly enough, he said. “The ESRI can make its voice heard, but it didn’t.”
Prof Tol said the view of many people in the institute now was on the financial threat to its survival – and personal relief that they had a job.
He said there were many positive aspects to working in the institute, not least the people he worked alongside and the fact he was able to engage in applied research.
A native of the Netherlands, he said he would be sad to leave Ireland, which he really loved. However, his wife was a civil engineer and they had two children.
“Ireland is facing 10 years of austerity. Leaving Ireland is the best thing you can do at the moment if you are responsible for a young family.”
© 2012 The Irish Times
Daniel McConnell: A fearless whistleblower or a disgruntled crank?
The ESRI and Richard Tol are at war since the economist’s bitter departure, writes Daniel McConnell
It was a most bizarre image. The lead story on the main evening news on RTE showed a scruffy, long-haired foreigner packing up his house to move to England.
This same man starkly warned that despite cuts of over €24bn in government spending since 2008 Ireland faces another decade of austerity.
But most controversially, Richard Tol, non-conformist voice and energy economist, also had some harsh words for his former employers and colleagues in the State’s economic think tank, the Economic Social and Research Institute (ESRI).
During that RTE interview, he called into question the organisation’s independence and condemned it for a lack of transparency.
However, online — his favoured medium — Tol went for the jugular.
Over a 48-hour period, the 42-year-old Dutch academic made a host of serious allegations into how the ESRI operates, about its transparency, its relationship with Government and how it is funded.
Today, the ESRI hits back very strongly at the various allegations made by Tol online and during an interview with this newspaper. It vehemently denies the failings alleged by Tol, rejecting his outlook almost entirely. “The allegations made by Richard Tol are wholly unsubstantiated.”
His criticisms of the ESRI on television were somewhat muted and restricted, no doubt by the station’s lawyers, and Tol himself is bemused that his departure was given so much prominence. “It is a slow news day if the lead story is the hairy guy packing a box,” he tweeted.
But it was on Twitter that Tol made the most serious allegations about the organisation.
He accused it of being a xenophobic and nepotistic body which is caught in a timewarp using antiquated technology. He also stated that he was the fifth senior person to leave the institute, implying cultural and endemic problems at the ESRI.
“It was funny to hear academics complain about distant threats to academic freedom. At the ESRI, we were muffled,” he tweeted.
“The wife said: The ESRI reflects all that is good and bad about Irish society. She is right,” he wrote a short time later.
For those left behind in the ESRI, Tol is a trouble-making crank who has sought to wash his dirty laundry in public.
For others, in a country which has a shameful record of treating whistleblowers poorly, Tol was a welcome dissenting voice holding up a mirror to reveal our flaws as well as our strengths.
In the wake of his outbursts online, the Sunday Independent spoke to Tol to try and see if he would elaborate on the serious allegations he made about the state’s economic think tank.
According to Tol, the ESRI has many faults and many positives. The faults, he says, are incredibly serious and strike to the core of its credibility. He calls into question its independence and its transparency.
“Transparency is most important and at the ESRI the models used for our analysis is not transparent at all. The way it is, you aren’t sure who contributed what to a particular paper; accessibility to information is not there. This is one of the most serious issues affecting the ESRI,” he said.
I ask him about independence and academic freedom.
Tol detailed his often fractious relationship with his superiors within the ESRI, and said that clear pressure was brought to bear on him and his fellow researchers by the director of the ESRI, Frances Ruane, to keep “politically unacceptable” messages suppressed.
“You work on the basis of professional integrity. In the ESRI you are not supposed to talk outside your area of expertise. That is perfectly acceptable. However, in the last two years or so there was quite strong pressure from the director to keep messages out of the media that are not politically acceptable or that might upset council members or funders.”
He said that he had fallen foul of Ruane’s instructions and was disciplined as a result.
“The ESRI is supposed to be an academic institution,
where you can speak on the basis of evidenced-based analysis. Disciplinary measures have been taken. Pressure came in the form of conversations, emails and letters. Such measures have been taken against me. I have had many conversations with the director, so my comments would not have come as any surprise to her,” he said.
In response, the ESRI said: “ESRI researchers are free to participate in public debate. There are no restrictions on ESRI staff members discussing their research in whatever forum they deem appropriate. Indeed, research staff members have participated in wide-ranging discussions in many media outlets.”
The Sunday Independent has obtained a copy of the institute’s protocols for publishing material, and researchers are subject to a host of detailed instructions in how to “disseminate” information to the public.
Researchers must run press releases by the director or her nominee before release, and opinion pieces for national publication in a newspaper must be cleared by a colleague, head of division or the director before being submitted. Researchers are permitted to upload material to certain websites like the Irisheconomy.ie without clearance from superiors if it is in their field of expertise.
“Staff at the ESRI know there is a policy about the relaying of information and are expected to adhere to that policy. If they don’t, disciplinary measures are utilised, and were in the case of Richard Tol,” the ESRI spokeswoman said.
Tol was also critical that websites such as Twitter and Facebook were blocked for staff by the ESRI, reflecting an attitude toward technology more suited to the 1990s.
Tol’s statements about xenophobia and nepotism are the most controversial.
He alleges that within the ESRI, those from Ireland were in someway treated above those from foreign countries, which impacted on people’s career prospects.
He said: “There was a hierarchy within there. It was native Irish first, then English, then European, then others. This impacted on how fast you got promoted.”
The ESRI has strongly refuted any suggestion of favouritism, saying it has staff from many nationalities currently employed there. It stated it has fully developed human resources policies and such a scenario just simply couldn’t occur.
Tol went further, alleging that racist complaints made by staff toward colleagues were “ignored” by the director and by the council of the ESRI.
“Some people made racist remarks toward their colleagues. Complaints about racism and such racist remarks were ignored by management and even the council of the ESRI. It shouldn’t happen. It wasn’t racism, say white versus black, but it was racist comments directed at colleagues. It is totally unacceptable. Just because it is more common in Ireland doesn’t make it right,” he said.
“With regard to Professor Tol’s comments on xenophobia and racism, similar allegations were made in the recent past by Professor Tol when they were fully investigated and found to be groundless,” an ESRI spokeswoman said.
She said the ESRI had an employment equality policy and a code of business conduct for employees in numerous areas, including racism. These policies are brought to the attention of all members of staff. Complaints are dealt with under the grievance policy and procedure agreed between management and staff.
On his allegation of nepotism, Tol said this related to the hiring of “friends or allies” by powerful people within the organisation, irrespective of their abilities.
“Some of the more powerful people seem to have the right to appoint their friends to positions. It was easy to spot when you looked at the publication records, who the more productive ones are.”
In response, the ESRI said: “There is no basis for his comments on nepotism. All new appointments at the ESRI are made on the basis of public advertisement. The ESRI uses fully open and transparent procedures for appointments and promotion of research staff to ensure that these are made on merit. Interview boards always include an outside expert to ensure the independence and transparency of the process. The recommendations of the interview board must be approved by the ESRI council.”
Opinion within Irish academia about Richard Tol’s departure to the University of Sussex is mixed, with some, like Colm McCarthy of this newspaper and UCD, describing him as a “big loss to ESRI”.
He wrote: “Best of luck Richard”.
Others were less kind. Stephen Kinsella, an economist at the University of Limerick who moderated a discussion on the influential Irisheconomy.ie website, said the opinions expressed were “very polarised.”
“Richard Tol had the ability to be dismissive and condescending of other people’s work, especially in the area of environmental economics,” wrote a contributor named Mr Rudgelift.
“Richard seems to have annoyed some and said some extreme things and I had to delete some of the more personal attacks on him. But from my point of view, I always regret the loss of such a contrarian voice,” added Kinsella.
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Fuel Poverty-Paddy Healy Replies to Minister Rabitte
Department of Social Protection Website Minister Joan Burton TD
“regrettably there is an ongoing necessity to achieve savings due to our commitments with the IMF/EU/ECB Troika.”
“The Government today approved changes to the Fuel Allowance and Household Benefits schemes that will bring annual savings of €65 million. Minister for Social Protection, Joan Burton TD, said: “While we want to protect the basic social welfare payments which have very positive economic and social effects, regrettably there is an ongoing necessity to achieve savings due to our commitments with the IMF/EU/ECB Troika. The savings arising from this measure were provided for last December in Budget 2011 but were not specified or announced by the Government at that time.”
From September 2011 the Fuel Allowance is to be standardised at €20 per week, the rate currently received by the majority of customers, with no additional allowance for living in a smokeless area. The cost of the Telephone Allowance will be reduced following negotiations with Eircom which will ensure that customers receive €26.86 of value on their bills, at a cost to the State of €22.22 per month. The number of free units provided under the Electricity and Gas Allowance will be reduced to the 2007 level: this reduction may be offset to some extent if customers switch to other companies in search of better deals. These three measures will generate savings of €17 million in 2011 and €65 million annually.
Minister for Social Protection, Joan Burton TD, said: “Assistance with the cost of fuel, electricity, gas and telephone bills has always been an important element of social welfare provision and will continue. My Department will spend over €530 million, over half a billion euros, in 2011 on these schemes which benefit over 630,000 people. Help will also continue to be available for vulnerable people with special or additional heating needs through the Heating Supplement and Exceptional Needs Payment Scheme under the Supplementary Welfare Allowance scheme.”
Below is an unedited version of my letter published in Irish Times to-day Dec 28
Paddy Healy 086-4183732
Dear Editor,
Minister Rabitte (Irish Times letters Dec 27) seeks to contradict the piece by Fintan O’Toole on fuel poverty (Irish Times December 20)
The Labour- Fine Gael government has introduced two cuts in fuel allowances through Minister for Social protection, Joan Burton, since coming to power. From September, the smokeless fuel allowance was abolished and the annual allowance of free units was reduced from 2400 to 1800. In Budget 2012, the heating period was reduced by 6 weeks. Fuel allowance is a means tested payment. Only the poor are entitled to this benefit.
The piece of research to which Minister Rabitte and Fintan O’Toole refer is“Fuel Poverty, Older People and Cold Weather: An all-island analysis”, (at http://www.publichealth.ie). It found that the excess winter death rate in the Republic for the winter of 2006/7 was 1,281. Of these, 1,216 were aged over-65. The majority died of cardiovascular and respiratory illness – cold-related conditions. The fuel allowance in the year in question was only fractionally less than that now available and fuel prices are now much higher.
During the new year, 2012, the hundredth anniversary of the proposal by Connolly and Larkin to the Irish TUC meeting in Clonmel that a Labour Party should be founded will occur. It is scarcely credible that a party which claims Connolly as founder should be cutting fuel allowances to the poor. This is all the more so as the Labour Party, just over a year ago when in opposition, introduced a private members motion in Dáil Éireann (October 12, 2010) calling on the government to increase fuel allowances!
Fintan O’Toole was right to refer to refer to “the unacceptable reality that current policies are making Ireland a cold house for basic decency.”
Yours sincerely,
Paddy Healy
F O’Toole on Minister Rabitte and Fuel Poverty
How Low can they GO?
In the recent Budget the period for which the poor and the old receive free gas and electricity units was reduced by six weeks. During the warmer summer months, Minister for “Social Protection”, Joan Burton(LabourParty Deputy Leader) announced cuts to the home benefits package for pensioners and social welfare beneficiaries. The allocations of electricity units and gas units so important for home heating were reduced by between 20% and 25% and the smokeless fuel allowance payable in Dublin was abolished. These are means tested payments which means that they are only paid to people at risk. AGE ACTION IRELAND has stated “Research on fuel poverty and older people by the Dublin Institute of Technology and the Institute of Public Health shows that during the winter of 2006/7 there were 1,281 excess winter deaths*. Of these, the vast majority were older people (1,216 were aged over-65).
The piece of research referred to by Age Action was publicly launched last week by Minister Rabitte (Labour Party) In Irish Times 20/12/2011, columnist Fintan O’Toole analyses Minister Rabitte’s launching address-Paddy Healy
RABITTE OUT IN THE COLD ON ELDERLY FUEL CUTS
Irish Times Tue, Dec 20, 2011
Pat Rabbitte is wrong that the fuel crisis is not as bad as reported. In fact, it is likely to be much worse, writes FINTAN O’TOOLE
OSCAR WILDE said he could resist everything except temptation. We, his compatriots, can imagine everything except reality. Collectively, we find it hard to believe what we see around us.
One of the things that’s easiest to spot in public spaces is old people sheltering from the cold. You see them in Ikea, sitting in the restaurant half the day over cheap cups of tea. You see them in shopping centres, where benches are being removed, not to stop teenagers from congregating, but to prevent the clusters of elderly heat-seekers. You see them in public libraries. You even see them on trains, riding up and down the lines with their free travel passes. And these, of course, are the luckier ones, the ones who are mobile and healthy enough to be able to get out of the house. But seeing is not believing.
Last week, there was a strange vignette of official incredulity. Minister for Energy Pat Rabbitte launched a report by the Institute of Public Health on fuel poverty among the elderly. It is a very serious, scholarly piece of work, conducted on an all-island basis by a team of researchers from the Republic, Northern Ireland and Britain, led by Prof Patrick Goodman of Dublin Institute of Technology.
One of its findings is that 51.1 per cent of older people surveyed said they “went without necessities such as food and clothing in order to pay for heat over the winter period”.
This is not a comfortable finding for a Minister in the week after a budget that has cut the fuel allowance period by six weeks. How did Pat Rabbitte deal with it? By claiming it did not exist. According to The Irish Times report of the launch, “he said the claim that half of older people were forgoing essentials to heat their home had been published in a press release but was not in the report. He added that no politician or social worker would believe that it was true.”
In fact, the finding appears twice in the report: on page 12 and on page 60. When this was pointed out to the Minister, he stood by his position that it could not be so, pointing out that the survey was “not a representative sample of older people”.
This is true, but probably not in the sense that Rabbitte meant. No one claims the survey is representative, in the sense that, for example, an opinion poll using weighted demographical sampling might be. Its aim is somewhat different: not to tick boxes, but to get a good sense of the actual experience of older people during last winter.
The sampling method, using bodies such as Age Action, Energy Action, the Rural Transport Network and Dublin City Council’s sheltered housing liaison officers to distribute the surveys, probably does distort the results somewhat. But – and here’s the real point – it distorts them by understating the problem. People who are isolated from networks and services were excluded. People who have problems with literacy or blindness couldn’t complete the written survey. Such people are more, not less, likely to suffer from deprivation.
There is a further factor at work: the “mustn’t grumble” ethic of the elderly. Older people don’t like to complain. In the same survey, 90 per cent of the respondents listed their health status as fair to very good, even though 75 per cent had a long-term illness. They are an almost comically stoical bunch.
One respondent with both Parkinson’s disease and arthritis gave her health status as “good” and explained that “as long as I am mobile and above ground I tend not to panic or bitch”.
How probable is it that these same people are wildly exaggerating when they say they sacrifice food or clothing for heat?
And yet, the official view from the Minister is that it simply could not be true that anything like half of older people are doing without other necessities in order to heat their homes. “No politician or social worker would believe that it was true.”
That no politician, moving from heated offices to heated cars, would believe it is understandable. But I’m not sure the incredulity would extend to anyone who works with Age Action, Friends of the Elderly, St Vincent de Paul or social services. The only sense in which it is not “true” is that its reality is impermissibly awkward.
This vignette is eloquent in its own way as an example of the cognitive dissonance of officialdom. Cognitive dissonance is the condition that affects people when their belief system comes into conflict with reality. They close the gap, not by altering their belief systems, but by redefining reality.
In this case, Pat Rabbitte’s belief system (social justice) is in radical conflict with most of what he’s doing in Government. So he’s redefining reality: it is simply not possible that the Government is cutting fuel allowances for people who are already suffering deprivation in order to stay warm.
Otherwise, he would have to face the unacceptable reality that current policies are making Ireland a cold house for basic decency.
© 2011 The Irish Times
ULA Proposal to Tax the Assets and Incomes of the Super-Rich
As the Richer get Richer 17 Billion Must be Taken from Super-Rich to Avoid Austerity!
A statement from the Central Statistics Office on Wednesday last showed that the wealthiest top 20% had 5.5 times more income than the poorest 20% in 2010 and this has grown from 4.3 times in 2009. Net Financial Assets(shares etc) which are mainly the preserve of the rich have increase by 45 billion since 2008 and are now above pre-crash (2007) levels. These are facts issued by the state. The rich are,in fact,getting richer as the poor get poorer! ULA is demanding that, in the Budget, 10 billion be taken from the Assets of the top 5% of wealth holders, 5 billion be taken from the incomes of the top 5% of income earners and that measures be introduced to take 2 billion off tax exiles.
This will avoid further cuts and extra taxes on low and middle income people and can be used to reverse the imposition of the Universal Social Charge and cuts in social welfare, health and education and to allow for an ambitious state job creation programme
Explanatory Document on Taxation
10 Billion in Wealth Tax on the Top 5% of Wealth Holders, 5 Billion in Income Tax from Top 5% of Incomes, 2 Billion from Tax Exiles
Personal Assets Tax
There is currently no annually recurring tax on wealth or assets in Ireland. Such a tax was imposed by Minister for Finance Ritchie Ryan during the 1973-1977 Fine Gael-Labour Coalition Government. It was subsequently abolished by the succeeding Fianna Fail Government. Assets taxes still exist in a number of countries including France, Norway, Switzerland and in a number of states of the USA. Many were abolished in other countries under the influence of neo-liberal Thatcher-Reagan economic ideology which has brought the world to the current economic crisis.
Recent statistics from the CSO show that in 2010 the financial assets of Irish people (not businesses) were as follows:
CSO Nov 2011 Personal Financial Assets (millions)
(Financial wealth below is made up of cash, shares, pension and insurance funds (net equity) and business assets/liabilities of self-employed/sole traders. Land, housing and non-financial personal property (e.g. yachts, art, etc.) are not included. Gross financial wealth refers to total financial assets; Net financial wealth refers to gross financial wealth minus liabilities -almost all liabilities refer to loans-CSO). (loans include mortgage loans and credit card debt-PH)
Total Financial Assets Total Financial liabilities Net Financial Assets
2007 310,711 199,036 111,675
2008 281,650 209,774 71,876
2009 304,885 206,620 98,264
2010 311,372 194,219 117,153
These figures show that net personal financial assets of have increased by 45 billion since the low point of 2008. Total and net financial assets are now above 2007 level, that is before the crash. The rich are Getting Richer while the Poor are Getting Poorer http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/economy/2010/isanonfinfin2010.pdf
The net figure underestimates the assets of the wealthy as a far higher proportion of the liabilities including mortgage and credit card debt are held by those with no asset other than the principal private residence which is not included in the gross figure.
Recently (Nov 2011) Credit Suisse, the Swiss finance house, has published an analysis of wealth distribution in Ireland.
It shows that the top 1% of the Irish population hold 28.1% of all wealth and the top 5% hold 46.85 of all wealth.
Credit Suisse estimates that financial assets make up 47 percent of total assets (Table 2-4 on page 71 in Credit Suisse Global Assets Report). This means that there is €311 billion in financial assets and €351 billion in non-financial assets for a total of €662 billion (using latest CSO data). After financial liabilities of €194 billion, total net wealth is €468 billion.
As 28.1% of net wealth is held by the top 1%, they hold 131.5 billion of total net wealth.
As 46.85% of net wealth is held by the top 5%, they hold 219.3 billion of total net wealth
These are a significant underestimations as total liabilities of households which have been deducted lean proportionally most heavily on the less wealthy households.
The Revenue Commissioners have no data on the assets of specific individuals as assets tax was abolished over 30 years ago. Such a register should be established by law immediately so that there is complete transparency in relation to the ownership of wealth. The overall data above was deduced by the Central Statistics Office from other data.
ULA has set a target of collecting 10 billion per year in assets tax from the top 5% until the fiscal deficit is removed and 5 billion annually thereafter.
As these assets are not contingent on receipt of income or income changes, ULA proposes that the deadline for payment be March 1, 2012. This would facilitate early implementation of our job creation programme
The 10 billion in revenue from assets tax is available for purposes such as job creation, elimination of USC, restoration of cuts in welfare etc
It is a matter for government which has Department of Finance , Revenue Commissioners, Central Statistics Office etc at its disposal to devise legislation to reach the target revenue of 10 billion from the top 5 % and that, in particular that the homes , farms and pension funds of those outside the top 5% be exempt.
The measure proposed is a tax on personal assets only not on the assets of businesses
If the target revenue of 10 Billion is not reached by March 1, further measures should be introduced.
Income Tax
There was an increase in income inequality between 2009 and 2010 as shown by the quintile share ratio. The ratio showed that the average income of those in the highest income quintile was 5.5 times that of those in the lowest income quintile. The ratio was 4.3 one year earlier. CSO Press Release Nov 30,2011
There can be little doubt that the imposition of an assets tax would increase the yield from income tax. The contrast between large assets and low declared incomes in the non-PAYE sector would become clear.
The most recently published official statistics are for 2009
The top 5% of earners had a total income of 18 billion Euro in 2009 (22.6% of all income) and paid only 4.9 billion in income tax. If tax reliefs and capital allowances claimed are taken into account, their Gross Income, which is their actual income, is 19.8 billion. (Revenue Commissioners, Statistical Report, Table ISD1)
Deductions from that table, show the top 5% of units have 24% of all income and pay 46% of all income tax. Notwithstanding right wing propaganda, this is to be expected as they have a totally disproportionate share of discretionary income. The imposition of the USC and increased taxation of the lower paid will have significantly reduced the 46% figure in 2010. They only paid 25% of their own total income in tax in 2009
Tax reliefs which proportionally favour the rich are very high in Ireland at 20.2% of total tax revenue as against 8.5% in Germany, 5.1% in the Netherlands (OECD, Commission on Taxation)
Official figures show that those individuals as opposed to couples in receipt of incomes over 100,000 Euro only paid 31.4% of all income tax in 2008 (Irish Times Com Keena 20/3/2009). Figures for 2009 indicate little change in this regard.
Due to heavy impositions on those in receipt of low incomes in more recent budgets this percentage has probably decreased and 10,677 units (0.5% of earners) earned 6.01billion in 2009 or 7.33%% of all income. They paid c (Revenue Commissioners Statistical Report 2010) These very rich earned on average 563,000 Euro each. There is no significant change expected to these figures expected in 2010. It can reasonably be assumed that such people avail of considerable tax breaks and have the advice of tax experts. This 0.5% of earners paid 1.783 billion in income tax in 2009 leaving them with an “after-tax” income of 4.27 billion or 400,000Euro each.
ULA proposes that the minimum effective tax rate on this group be adjusted to yield an additional 2.5 billion to the exchequer leaving them with after-tax income of 1.77 billion or 166,000 Euro each.
The next 0.5% of income recipients(9,933) just below the top group had a gross income of c. 2.3 billion and paid c. 608 million in tax. ULA proposes to take a further 0.5 billion off this group leaving them with 1.2 billion Euro or 121,000Euro each in after tax income
The ULA target is to generate 3 billion Euro from the top 1% of income earners.
Because of massive tax reliefs enjoyed by high earners the use of minimum effective tax rates is a sure means of extracting additional tax from high earners.
This would require a scale of minimum effective tax rates on all income ramping upwards from the current level of 30% as incomes exceed thresholds of 100,000, 150,000, 200,000,250,000 etc. The minimum effective rates may have to be as high as respectively 35%, 40%, 45% , 50% and 60% for those earning above 300,000. The current minimum effective tax rate only applies to those with income of over 125,000 Euro claiming tax relief in excess of 80,000 Euro! This restriction should be abolished.
There must be no increase in the effective tax rates of those with gross incomes below 100,000 Euro
The total increase in revenue due to the preceding measures is 13 billion
Increased Taxation of Very High Incomes
High incomes are very lightly taxed in Ireland and the burden of income taxation on low and middle incomes was hugely increased by the imposition of the Universal Social Charge and by reduction of personal tax credits and thresholds.
There are approximately 88,500 income recipients (4.1% of taxpayers) with incomes between 100,000 and 200,00 euro and these are outside the top 1% of income recipients discussed above. They have a total income of 11.6 billion and paid 2.57 billion in tax in 2009. ULA proposes to increase the income tax yield from this group by 2 billion, through a combination of minimum effective tax rates on all income and higher marginal tax rates on income above 100,000Euro, leaving them with 7 Billion Euro, an average 79,600 Euro each in after tax income . While retaining this revenue target, adjustments of taxation will be necessary within this group in order not to penalise tax payers with an adult dependent or couples who are jointly assessed for tax.
The deployment of minimum effective tax rates is designed to combat the loss of revenue due to tax reliefs enjoyed by the rich. Relief on pension contributions to provide pensions capped at 50,000 per annum per adult should be continued.
The cumulative revenue total raised by the above measures is now 15 billion Euro
Tax Exiles
The Domicile Levy introduced in Budget 2011 to address the problem of tax exiles has generated a paltry 1.5 million in revenue and is clearly totally inadequate.
It is reasonable to expect that citizens of Ireland who have income generated in Ireland and/or assets held in Ireland should pay tax to the Irish state. The United States expects its citizens resident abroad to pay US income tax when their earnings abroad exceed a certain threshold. Failure to do so attracts public disapproval. Irish tax exiles, on the other hand, are fawned on by politicians. Denis O’Brien was invited by Eamonn Gilmore to the Farmleigh conference at the behest of Fine Gael. Michael Smurfit was appointed honorary consul to Monaco by Charles Haughey and furnished with a diplomatic passport. The Labour Party leader is continuing Mr Smurfit in office.
The ULA proposes that the principles underlying US practice be applied to wealthy individuals living abroad.
We call on the Government to introduce measures in Budget 2012 to require by Law that Irish citizens resident abroad for tax purposes pay to the Irish exchequer annual amounts of tax as follows:
1 Assets Tax: An assets tax of 10% on net global personal assets in excess of 2 million Euro less the assets tax paid to the state in which the Irish citizen is resident.
2 Income Tax: A minimum effective income tax rate of 50% on annual global income in excess of 200,000 Euro, less the income tax paid to the state in which the Irish citizen is resident.
3Current Domicile Levy of €200,000 introduced in Budget 2010 to be increased to 500,000Euro per year. This levy should apply to all Irish-domiciled individuals who are Irish citizens to ensure that wealthy Irish domiciled individuals make a contribution to the State during these times of economic and fiscal difficulty. The Levy will apply to wealthy Irish-domiciled individuals with Irish located capital greater than €2 million, worldwide income in excess of €1million and an Irish income tax liability less than €500,000. Persons liable to the Levy will have to pay it regardless of where they live or where they are tax resident.
It is impossible to predict the revenue which would be generated by the above measures. However the deadline for paying the assets tax, domicile levy and preliminary income tax should be set at March 1, 2011. If the income generated falls below a projected 2 billion for the year as a whole, further changes should be made to remedy the short fall
Other measures are also open to the Minister in his budget such as drastically reducing the number of days the “exile” can stay in Ireland while retaining residence abroad for tax purposes.
ULA has set a minimum initial target of 2 billion Euro in revenue from the above 3 measures
Minister Burton Misleads to Cut Welfare
“Now that the recession has bitten hard and deep we have a scale of expenditure that is completely out of step with our ability to fund it. We do not have the means or revenue as a country to support our level of spending.”Burton Seanad, Nov 17
This is completely wrong. The truth is that the government has decided that the poor and middle income earners will bear the brunt of the fiscal adjustment (3.8m) . Net Financial assets(shares etc) of irish households increased by 45 billion over the last two years as private sector investment fell by 30 billion. The government should take 10 billion of the 45 billion in a wealth tax instead of spending cuts. The spending cuts will continue to destroy jobs (315,000 since 2007 and 3000 net fulltime jobs in the first 3 months of this government)
Dr Nat O’Connor, Director of TASC, the progressive research group last Thursday told a conference that the “Troika” had informed him that if money could be raised in alternative ways, they would have no problem with that.
So cuts in welfare are purely a Labour/Fine Gael decision
EU Comparison
Contrary to claims that welfare in Ireland is high and a ‘disincentive’ to work, welfare payments in Ireland are among the lowest in the original EU fifteen states. A report by the EAPN from Sept 2009, based on figures for 2006 comparing social protection spending in the EU 15, found that while there was an average spend of 27% of GDP, Ireland came 13t out of 15 with 18.2%.
The net replacement rate, welfare compared to previous income was only 34.5% in Ireland, again the lowest in the EU 15. Social protection in Ireland is even below the average of the EU 27 which contains many countries much poorer tan Ireland
It is appalling that social welfare should top the cuts league according to the leaked German draft.
GOVERNMENT POLICY
“The (leaked) EU documents appear to suggest that the savings will be achieved by welfare fraud elimination, cuts to other entitlements and a reduction in the number of people eligible for benefit payments.” (Journal.ie)
Earlier this month the Government stated its intentions:
They(GOV) stress that instead of “pursuing across-the-board reductions in primary social welfare rates”, the Government will take a “selective approach” to “reforming entitlements”, and state:
“The Department of Social Protection will build on their recent studies on working age payments, child income support and disability allowance with a view to producing, after consultation with stakeholders, a comprehensive programme of reforms that can help better target social support to those on lower incomes, and ensure that work pays for welfare recipients.” (Jounal.ie)
Already people with perfectly legitimate welfare claims are being cut off like flies through use of new arbitrary criteria and in a savage Scrooge operation heating support has being reduced to the poor and the old this Christmas leading to more unnecessary deaths this winter.
Now Burton wants to cut Child Benefit even to the needy. Brnardos has described this measure as “crossing moral boundaries”
How Low can she Go?
Public Sector
It may not be widely known that the proposed transfer of illness benefit payment to employers includes public sector employers and state companies- This means that these cuts will end up in hospital wards, schools and local authority services and on bin charges, electricity and gas bills.
Private Sector
This reduction in demand by people who spend all their money every week will lead to further job destruction by government as shops and small businesses continue to close
I would be not as neutral or “agnostic” as David Begg on the transfer of the first four weeks of sickness benefit to employers. There are serious concerns arising from Burtons Seanad Speech on Thursday night.
Small Businesses
Firstly, many businesses including small shops, cafes and hairdressers have less than ten employees. To trade they must replace sick employees. Now they must pay benefit to the sick employee as well. Many are hanging on by their finger nails and will close, adding to the dole queues.
Multi-Nationals
In relation to large profit-making Irish and multinational companies, my concern is not for such companies but for their employees. Trade unions are not permitted in these companies. Burton said in the Seanad that the transfer of the first 4 weeks sick leave to employers would enable employers to “manage absenteeism”. Does this mean that a sick cert from an employee’s GP will no longer guarantee payment of sickness benefit.?
Will people who have not fully recovered be forced to go back to work too soon?
There are also predatory employers in some parts of the public sector with whom the health of employees would not be safe.
I have no confidence that a Minister who has cut winter fuel allowances to the old will give first priority to the health of employees in the new legislation she will introduce to implement the changes.
Paddy Healy 087-4183732 paddy.healy@eircom.net
NOV 18 2011
Labour Reduces Free Heat Units to Poor this winter
How Low can they GO?
During the warmer summer months, Minister for “Social Protection”, Joan Burton(LabourParty Deputy Leader) announced cuts to the home benefits package for pensioners and social welfare beneficiaries. The allocations of electricity units and gas units so important for home heating were reduced by between 20% and 25%. AGE ACTION IRELAND has stated “Research on fuel poverty and older people by the Dublin Institute of Technology and the Institute of Public Health — funded by CARDI and due to be published in the coming weeks — shows that during the winter of 2006/7 there were 1,281 excess winter deaths*. Of these, the vast majority were older people (1,216 were aged over-65). How many preventable deaths will take place this winter?
The latest figures from CSO show that the nett financial assets of Irish households increased by 27 billion euro in 2009 and gross financial assets have increased by a further 7 billion in 2010. Not a penny in tax on these assets has been imposed by the Labour government.
Homeless charities say demand for their services has increased by up to 40% in the current year. Yet HSE has just announced cuts to services to the homeless. Kathleen Lynch (Labour) is Minister for State at the Department of Health and children.
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Paddy Healy 086-4183732
FROM AGE ACTION IRELAND
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Wed, 26/10/2011 – 15:23
Age Action is urging the Government to reverse cuts to the free gas and electricity units for pensioners, amid growing concern at the severe hardship which the cuts will have for the most vulnerable of older people this winter.
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How Low Can They Go?
Hundreds of older people die each winter in Ireland because they cannot afford to keep themselves warm. Lives could be saved if the Government reversed its decision to cut their electricity and gas units.
I call on the Government to reverse the cuts to the free gas/electricity units available under the Household Benefits Package, given the increased hardship it will cause for older people on low incomes.
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Homeless services to be cut by 10%
CARL O’BRIEN
Irish Times Thu, Oct 27, 2011
HEALTH AUTHORITIES are cutting funding for homeless services in parts of the capital by up to 10 per cent over the coming winter months, despite growing pressure on services.
Service providers say the cuts will impact heavily on their ability to provide shelter and support to homeless people at a time when they are under strain.
The Health Service Executive (HSE) – one of the main funders of homeless services – told providers last week it is cutting between 5 per cent and 10 per cent of grants which were due to be paid between October and December of this year.
However, homeless charities say they have recorded increases in demand for services of between 20 and 40 per cent over the past year. Services say they are continuing to give out sleeping bags at night-time due to ongoing shortages of emergency beds.
Dublin Simon’s chief executive Sam McGuinness said: “With the harsh winter already upon us and demand for homeless accommodation stretching all service providers to the limit, it is unacceptable for the most vulnerable and destitute to suffer further HSE year-end panic cuts because of their spending excesses.”
Focus Ireland’s chief executive Joyce Loughnan said if deeper cuts were to be made at this late stage in the year, it would hit its ability to provide “vital lifeline services” to homeless people.
The funding cuts were confirmed this week by the Dublin Region Homeless Executive – a partnership run by the city’s four local authorities – which is in charge of organising homeless services in the capital.
The two main areas affected are Dublin south-west – which includes Tallaght, Clondalkin and Kildare – and Dublin south-central, which includes much of the inner city.
These areas are due to receive cuts of between 5 per cent and 10 per cent respectively, on top of cuts of 5 per cent earlier this year.
In a letter to one service provider dated October 13th, the HSE said: “It is recognised that maintaining services will require significant levels of change, flexibility and creativity.
“Therefore, you will need to make the savings to remain within the budget through value-for-money initiatives and other administrative efficiencies in order to achieve a break-even financial position by year’s end.”
In a statement, the Dublin Region Homeless Executive said the overall implication and impact of the cuts had been “fully considered” by the HSE.
It added there had not been a reduction in funding from the Department of the Environment, the other main source of public funding for homeless organisations.
In the meantime, the Dublin Region Homeless Executive has been working to secure longer-term beds for dozens of people in emergency accommodation to help alleviate pressure on services.
© 2011 The Irish Times
Labour Party and SIPTU Capitulate on Low Pay
From Paddy Healy 086-4183732
Mandate Trade Union and Unite the Union have roundly condemned the Government proposals to cut the low pay of over 200,000 employees.
The proposals will give rise to reduction of JLC rates generally, elimination of Sunday premium, and allow employers to claim inability to pay.
Thousands face pay cuts after JLC reforms are published
From Daily News Digest of Unite The Union
“The government published its proposed reforms of the JLC structure yesterday. In a move which the Minister admits will lead to a ‘lowering of hiring costs’, the number of JLC’s will be reduced from 13 to six and there will be only one rate with two additional discretionary ones. The premium for Sunday pay will be swept away to be replaced on paper with guidelines for employers, and bosses will now be able to seek derogation through a new inability to pay clause. This is terrible news for all low paid workers and those whose wages will be set with reference to them, as well as for the economy which will now have less money, less tax and little prospect of anything other than increased unemployment.—-
UIONS NOT AT ONE OVER JLC REFORMS
UNITE sees the reforms of the JLC structure as a dark day for those on low pay and for all working people. That view is broadly shared in the Irish Times analysis but not fully across the union movement.”
“The trade union Unite said last night it would not rule out industrial action in protest at the Government’s planned measures. The plan was also strongly criticised by Mandate, the union representing retail workers.” Martin Wall Irish Times, July 29
But following the surrender of the Labour Party in Cabinet, SIPTU has described the proposals as “relatively positive” on RTE Television News, July 28 and has given the government plan “a cautious welcome” (Martin Wall, Irish Times July 29).
This is a dark day for Irelands biggest union which was built by Larkin and Connolly
The trade union affiliation of the new government appointees to the board of Solas (replacing Fás) will be of considerable interest
The extent of the attack on the low-paid can be gauged from the remarks by John Douglas, General Secretary , MANDATE, on Morning Ireland, to-day, July 29
“This is devastating for 200,000 workers- following increases in gas prices, mortgages, food prices, thousands will be driven over the edge- majority are women earning no more than 9.50 an hour trying to put food on table-this is not to create jobs but to lower pay and conditions-it won’t create a single extra job. When Margaret Thatcher dismantled the wage councils in England ,it did not create one extra job-the research shows this despite the ministers claims”
Analysis
The EU-IMF deal commits the Irish Government to a “review of wage setting mechanisms”. There may have been additional secret assurances given by the previous government but the EU-IMF Deal does not specify any particular measure.
Bruton had made his proposals before the JLC system was struck down by the courts on constitutional grounds. The changes to pay rates, conditions of service and terms of reference in the proposals have nothing to do with the decision of the court. The proposals for these changes pre-date the courts decision. There are changes in procedures which are genuinely required in the light of the courts decision. In the wake of the court decision there are no legally enforceable Employment Regulation Orders (ERO) in existence in the state. The process of establishing new constitutional EROs will have to commence from scratch. This will take several months during which no legally binding EROs will exist.
If the Fine Gael/Labour Government were interested in protecting the 200,000 employees covered by the original EROs at the earliest possible date, they would have introduced the procedural measures contained in the proposals published yesterday before the Dail was adjourned for the summer one week ago or alternatively, they could have kept the Dail in session to deal with the matter.
Government “spin” to the effect that the measures were announced yesterday to protect workers in the light of the court decision is entirely false and misleading.
The way that the matter has been handled ensures that workers will remain unprotected by EROs for several months and when new EROs are produced their provisions will be far inferior for workers to the ones that have been struck down by the courts.
Job Creation?
The Minister and the employer body IBEC continually argue that pay and conditions under EROs must be reduced in order to create jobs. There is no evidence for this. Indeed, the Duffy/Walsh Report to the Minister for Enterprise, Employment and Innovation concludes inter alia : “We have concluded that lowering the basic JLC rates to the level of the minimum wage rate is unlikely to have a substantial effect on employment.” and “ we conclude that it is not accurate to suggest that the body of primary employment rights legislation currently in force adequately covers matters dealt with by EROs and REAs.” According to the OECD, Ireland suffers from some of the highest levels of low‐pay. Over 21% of full‐time employees are ‘low‐paid, compared to a Eurozone average of 14.7% and EU Commission data shows that labour costs (include wages and employers’ contributions) in the Food & Accommodation sector in Ireland are 6% below the EU-15 average.
Despite the fact that the above information has been contained in several statements by trade unions and ULA TDs , Minister Bruton was allowed to repeatedly assert that the measures would to create jobs in interviews on Drivetime and RTE News without the contrary evidence being put to him. IBEC spokespeople have also been allowed on all media to claim that 40% of restaurants do not open on Sunday “due to the Sunday premium”. Of course many restaurants have always remained closed on Sunday because their trade depends on demand from locally employed people who do not work on Sundays. Restaurant closures, limited opening hours and increased Sunday closing is due to the reduction in demand caused by increased unemployment and income reductions due to recent budgets. The IBEC claim is a gross abuse of dubious statistics based on surveys of restaurant owners. “They would say that, wouldn’t they?”
Key Measures
The Minister asserts that new JLC rates will be lower. This is because the terms of reference for the wage setting process have been changed to the disadvantage of the worker side. “These include competitiveness factors, average hourly rates set in comparable sectors in Ireland’s main trading partners as well as employment and unemployment rates” Martin Wall, Irish Times,July 29. For example, the employer side will now be able to argue that pay rates should be lowered due to the extent of unemployment. This is a classic use of unemployment by employers to drive down wages. It has no justification except capitalist greed. It will now be supported by statutory terms of reference agreed by the Labour Party.
The Minister claims that these new lower rates will not affect existing workers who are protected by the terms of their current employment contracts. The minister knows well that existing employees can be pressurised in many ways to agree to reductions in existing pay rates if these are not legally binding. That is a major reason why legally binding JLC rates exist. Employers have many ways of discriminating in favour of new cheaper workers (eg allocation of overtime, denial of promotion, assignment to easier or more pleasant job etc). In addition, a new businesses paying lower rates will be able to undermine existing businesses paying higher rates. This is also the case in relation to the new provision of allowing businesses to claim inability to pay. An employer being undermined by competitors can then pressurise employees to accept the lower legal rate or face closure and unemployment. The original JLC system was designed to prevent this “race to the bottom” in competing businesses dependent on finite demand.
The new JLCs will be precluded from setting a Sunday premium. The suggestion that the provisions of The Working Time Act is an adequate replacement to protect workers is completely false. Under that Act the employer can simply give another day off instead. This effectively means that staff can be made to work at the flat rate. Sunday premium has been simply abolished.
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The article below from Irish Independent July 27 (below) indicates that the Labour Party has agreed to Government attacks on the low-paid at the cabinet meeting held yesterday.
In a time-honoured and cowardly manner, the deal was done and announced while the Dail was not sitting and just before the ministers went on holiday. This will form a precedent for further attacks on the incomes of all employees. The 100 Euro tax on homes was also agreed at the cabinet meeting. Though net financial assets (exclusive of houses and land) increased by 27 billion Euro in 2009 and are expected to have increased by a similar amount in 2010, no tax whatever has been placed on these assets
Paddy Healy 086-4183732 paddy.healy@eircom.net
Member National Steering Committee United Left Alliance
A fuller report from Irish Independent July 28 (below) on the Labour capitulation on Low Pay is carried below.
Not alone has the Labour Party agreed to the scrapping of the Sunday premium for low paid workers, it has also agreed to allow employers to claim inability to pay and ,if successful, to pay a lesser rate for normal working days. In circumstances in which demand is being continuously removed from the economy by government, this can only lead to continuous reduction in the direction of the minimum wage and the effective collapse of the system. Compliant employers will be progressively undermined by those paying a lower rate.
The scrapping of the Sunday premium will simply add to the profits of highly successful multi-national retail chains at the expense of their employees.
The 100th anniversary of the founding of the Labour Party in Clonmel by Larkin and Connolly in 1912 which will be held next year will be a in the nature of a wake.
The actions of the Labour Party are an insult to the memory of Larkin and Connolly. Larkin is rightly celebrated for his heroic battles on behalf of the low-paid. In addition, Connolly is celebrated for his heroic stand for Irish Independence and sovereignty. But the Labour Party is allowing internatonal financiers to suck the lifeblood out of Ireland and even allowing them to dictate cuts in low pay under the EU-IMF Deal. When it is considered that cuts in low pay will actually worsen the national finances by lowering the tax take, the capitulation of Gilmore on the JLC issue must be the most abject surrender of Irish sovereignty conceivable.
Paddy Healy 086-4183732
Member of National Steering Committee, United Left Alliance
By Fionnan Sheahan and Lise Hand
Irish Independent Wednesday July 27 2011
Low paid workers will be entitled to slightly more than the minimum wage working on a Sunday under a new deal to replace the existing system of setting wages.
New rules governing the wages in the catering, hotels, retail, grocery, contract cleaning and some other sectors were agreed by the Government yesterday.
Jobs Minister Richard Bruton is understood to have struck a deal with Tanaiste Eamon Gilmore on the contentious issue of the Joint Labour Committees (JLCs).
The Government agreed yesterday to draw up new laws to reform the area after the High Court ruled the wage setting agreements were unconstitutional.
Coalition sources said the current rates of Sunday premium pay will be done away with, but employees working on a Sunday will still be entitled to slightly more than the minimum wage — just not as much as they are currently paid.
However, what has yet to be determined is how much more than the minimum wage will be paid.
After attacking Mr Bruton on his proposals to reform the area, the Labour Party was said to be keen to get the legislation in place to provide protection to workers following the High Court case. A spokesperson for the Labour Party said the legislation was agreed on by the Cabinet.
Last night Mr Bruton said: “It will be a system that will protect workers, it will be robust but will introduce the reforms so that we can exploit the opportunities for employment.”
– Fionnan Sheahan and Lise Hand
Employers can claim an ‘inability to pay’ under wage reforms
By Fionnan Sheahan and Anne-Marie Walshe
Irish Independent, Thursday July 28 2011
Employers will be allowed to claim an inability to pay the rates agreed under the wage-setting system for low-paid staff, the Irish Independent has learned.
Sunday premium pay for those covered by the Joint Labour Committees (JLCs) will also be scrapped.
The controversial new rules governing the wages in the catering, hotels, retail, grocery, contract cleaning and some other sectors will be announced today.
Ahead of the publication, the Labour Party was accused last night of capitulating in an attack on the low paid.
Under the reforms to the JLCs, low-paid staff will be entitled to the same protection as other employees for working on a Sunday.
The existing Organisation of Working Time Act allows for staff to be compensated for working on Sunday through the negotiation of extra pay, an increased average wage across the week or a day off in lieu.
In reality, though, the scrapping of the Sunday premium payments will mean a pay cut for staff in those sectors who work on that day.
The number of JLC agreements is also widely expected to be reduced substantially.
Jobs Minister Richard Bruton is understood to have struck a deal with Tanaiste Eamon Gilmore, granting some concessions from his original proposals.
After coming under attack from the Labour Party, Mr Bruton is believed to have got through the bulk of his proposals.
The minister’s hand was strengthened substantially by a High Court ruling that JLCs were unconstitutional and pressure from the IMF and EU to reform the area.
The new deal will have to be cleared with the troika lending Ireland the €85bn bailout.
The Government is also believed to have accepted the recommendation on the introduction of an inability-to-pay clause for employers.
The expert report on the area said there should be a “derogation on economic grounds” introduced, where the employer can claim it would damage the viability of the firm and cause job losses if they had to pay the rates agreed.
The United Left Alliance said the deal was done “in a time-honoured and cowardly manner”, announced while the Dail wasn’t sitting and just before ministers took holidays.
– Fionnan Sheahan and Anne-Marie Walshe
Waterford in Red Flag Times 1917-1923
by Emmet O’Connor
Waterford labour in ‘the red flag times’, 1917-23
Emmet O’Connor
To understand the labour militancy and radicalism of 1917 to 1923, one has to appreciate that these were extraordinary times in Europe and that Ireland was never as isolated as historians would have you believe. Since the growth of seapower, of empire, and of contact with the Americas in the late 18th century, Ireland was one of the most globalized countries in the world. Every major political movement in Ireland from the Volunteers of 1778 to Black Lives Matter has been a consequence of international factors. This was particularly evident in 1917-21 when Europe was giddy with the idea of a bright new future. And this was to be a radical future. There was a widespread feeling that there could be no going back to governance by the pre-1914 elites who had blundered into a catastrophic war. And there would have to be a pay-back for Labour for its support during the world war. And there was a payback in chapter XIII of the Treaty of Versailles, which set up the International Labour Organization. The job of the ILO was to improve working conditions internationally, and Tramoreman Ned Phelan would play a key role in the ILO in Geneva.[2] In Russia, the Bolsheviks were in power. For Irish republicans, their policies of opposition to the world war and imperialism and support for national self-determination chimed with Sinn Féin. In America, President Wilson had announced his 14-point plan for peace and promised that peace would be based on democracy and self-determination. [3] In many European countries, 1919-20 are known as ‘the two red years’. In Ireland, farmers would remember them as ‘the red flag times’.
The emergence of labour unrest
The rise of the labour movement between 1917 and 1923 was due fundamentally to the world war. The first half of the war brought shortages and inflation, and generated class tensions against the farmers, shopkeepers, and employers who were believed to be profiteering. Until the later war years there was no system of rationing or price control and even then it was patently inadequate. In Britain there were hunger marches in some cities. The threat of a strike by munitions workers in Britain in 1916 led the govt to keep the war effort going by liquidating national assets to release more money into the economy. From 1917, wages rose faster than prices. But the money was there only for those who could get it, and to get it, you
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needed to join a union. So the first half of the war stored up grievances, and the second half provided the means of redress. Events were also influenced by revolution at home and abroad. The War of Independence paralyzed the police, and it was impossible to ignore the Europe-wide radicalism of these years.
Industrial conflict took on an exceptionally combative character, partly due to the militancy of the protagonists, the primitive state of conciliation and arbitration machinery (much less advanced in Ireland than in Britain), and the breakdown of law and order. And for tactics Labour chose to revive pre-war Larkinism, which was the form of militancy with which it was most familiar. So strikes involved an emphasis on the sympathetic and generalized action. What was different about post-war Larkinism was that it spread well beyond the main towns. The Irish Trades Union Congress became a nation-wide force for the first time. It also became more politically conscious, and changed its name in 1918 to the Irish Labour Party and Trade Union Congress.
One of the first sectors to be affected by the war was agriculture. Labour’s bargaining position was strengthened by the introduction of compulsory tillage orders to ease the food supply crisis in January 1917. The number of farm labourers was in steady decline, but they still made up almost 200,000 out of 900,000 waged workers in Ireland. Waterford was one of four counties in Ireland which had more than two labourers to each farmer.[4]
The tillage orders in turn created the first labour shortage in agriculture since the Napoleonic wars, compelling the introduction of an AWB in Sept to set minimum rates of pay in order to keep workers on the land. Wage movements on the land began in the spring of 1917. Initially, labourers revitalized various local land and labour associations, and demanded land redistribution and more plots of land. But by 1918, local associations were being absorbed into the ITGWU and focusing on wages. In 1916 the ITGWU had 5,000 members. By 1920 it had 120,000, 60,000 of them in agriculture.
The unionization of urban workers also gathered pace in 1917. The ITGWU’s first branch in County Waterford was opened in Dungarvan in February 1918. A union census in June 1918 showed that it had 582 members: 317 were in food production, 61 were in transport, and 173 were in industry. Jack Butler and Thomas McCarthy were later made full-time officers in Dungarvan. Butler is an example of the way the rise of Labour brought a new wave of leaders to the fore. Butler was born in Ballinamult in 1890 and raised in Dungarvan. He left school at 15 to become a labourer. Joined the ITGWU and was elected to Dungarvan Board of Guardians in 1918 and won election to the County Council in 1920.
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By 1920, the ITGWU had 20 branches in the county. Branches were based on parishes, and included all sorts of workers. For example, the Portlaw branch in 1918 included 110 agricultural labourers, 22 general workers, six foresters, eight carters and porters, four tradesmen, a baker, a canalman, and the local postman.
Because profits were booming, it was relatively easy for employers to accommodate wages increases, but there were strikes and new strike tactics, the like local general strike. The first of these took place in Youghal in December 1917. A stoppage by members of the National Union of Dock Labourers for an increased war bonus was met by the local Employers’ Federation with a lockout of all unskilled men in the town’s mills, shops, and factories. After a week, craftsmen came out in sympathy. Mass pickets were formed to prevent the movement of goods. Strikers toured employers’ yards removing horses and drays. Extra RIC and troops were detailed to protest property. After two weeks the dispute was settled to the workers’ satisfaction.
Just over 18 months later, another strike took place in Dungarvan. Over 250 employees in virtually all the town’s larger businesses were involved. Almost immediately, sympathetic action paralyzed local commerce, and trading passed under the control of the union, the ITGWU. Nothing could be bought or sold without a union permit. Nothing could enter the town without union permission. The strike committee set up its own rationing system for food and fuel supplies. This situation obtained for a month until a settlement was reached.[5]
The Dungarvan strike was the eleventh local general strike to have taken place since 1917 and a comparison with Youghal is instructive. In Youghal the initiative lay with the employers. Union tactics evolved reactively, in response to a lockout. By contrast, Dungarvan saw the immediate application of a comprehensive strike strategy.
Altogether, 14 small towns experienced local general strikes during the advance of the wages movement.[6]
In Waterford city the ITGWU’s no.1 branch was restarted in 1917 and had 903 members by June 1918. A second branch was opened for 200 workers in the cartridge factory at Bilberry.
Agriculture
By 1921 the ITGWU had organized about 2,500 farm workers in Waterford, out of about 6,000 full-time farm workers another 2,000 or so who worked occasionally on the land. In Waterford, wages had risen from about14s per week in 1915 to a peak of 35s per week in
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May 1920. The AWB had reduced the maximum working week to 60 hours, and then to 54 hours. Farmers too started to organise, and by 1920 the Irish Farmers’ Union had 60,000 members. Waterford avoided major conflict between farmers and labourers up to 1922, but there were a few sectional strikes, and a famous incident called ‘The Fenor Melee’. The dispute was over attempts to enforce a closed shop. According to the Munster Express of 29 November 1919:
Exciting scenes took place in the Fenor district…on Monday last. A pitched battle was fought on the roadside between the police and farm labourers, in which revolver shots, batons, and bayonets, were freely used. Five policemen were injured and here were several casualties among the farm labourers…For some months past there has been considerable friction between the labourers and the farmers in the Fenor district, which culminated on Saturday in a general lockout of the workers. The farmers arranged to thresh their own corn without outside help and this incurred the wrath and resentment of the labourers ending in Monday’s wild scenes.
The Melee was celebrated in an earthy ballad:
The month of November being late in the year
When the labourers of Fenor they did appear
To uphold the Union the best way they should
And to put down the farmers the best way they could.
The ITGWU secretary, Nicholas Phelan, Patrick Dalton, and Patrick Hanley were subsequently arrested and tried by special court in Waterford.
The local section of the IFU was the Waterford Farmers’ Association, which had 31 branches in 1920, and an enterprising and militant leader in its chairman, Sir John Keane, 5th Baronet of Belmont, near Cappoquin. [7] Keane proposed the IFU should deal with labour by refusing negotiate with union officials and creating a strike-breaking force. In May 1920, the IFU took up the idea and suggested a Farmers’ Freedom Force to deal with what they called ‘Bolshevism’ and ‘Russian methods’. In the event, the farmers decided to await the return of ‘strong government’, as they called it, after the Anglo-Irish Treaty.
The ITGWU became by far the biggest and most important union in Ireland at this time. By 1920-1, it represented about half of all trade unionists, who in turn made up about
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25% of employees. But all unions experienced growth, and trade unionism, which had been confined largely to craftsmen, extended to the unskilled, to clerical workers, and to women.
Labour politics and the local elections, 1920
Labour, of course, had stood down from the 1918 general election. The critical issue was abstention. It was not a problem during the world war as the Redmondites too decided to abstain as long as Conscription for Ireland was on the statute book. [7] [8]The Irish TUC held its annual conference in the City Hall in Waterford in August 1918, and the congress was notable for the big increase in the number of delegates and for signalling its determination to fight the next elections.[9] [10] But Labour was expecting a wartime election, and the sudden end of the war left it in a quandary. It was closer to Sinn Féin that the Redmondites, and Sinn Féin was offering an electoral pact, but only if Labour MPs would boycott Westminster. Trade unions did not want to be drawn into unconstitutional agitation, so they decided to wait and see. It was a failure of leadership, but in fairness the signals from the base of the movement were not clear. In September, the ITUC executive discussed fielding a candidate in Waterford, and in early October the trades council convened a meeting to select a candidate. But the meeting decided to await instructions from the executive and the executive would not act without pressure from the membership.
The Sinn Féin landslide left Labour feeling it had missed the bus, and it took a more interventionist role in the independence struggle. On May Day 1919, Labour called a general strike for self-determination and international working class solidarity. Waterford trades council organized a big parade with four bands. In Lismore, over 400 marched, led by the local ITGWU president on horseback followed by a banner inscribed ‘Labour triumphant’, with an escort of mounted carters and a fife and drum band. Other parades were held in Kilmacthomas, Cappoquin, and Dungarvan. In October 1919 it convened a national conference of trades councils and decided to contest the next local elections in January 1920. The elections had been postponed since 1917, and the British govt introduced PR in an attempt to prevent more Sinn Féin landslides. There were 6 trades councils in 1914, and 38 by 1919. The conference decided to contest the elections, but left selections and programmes to the local trades council. The results were dramatic. Labour won 18% of the vote and 394 seats to 550 for Sinn Féin, 238 for the Redmondites, and 355 for the Unionist Party.
The results in Waterford were more modest. In the city, Labour took 3 out of 40 seats on the Corporation, and elected Tommy Dunne, Alderman Richard Keane, and Luke Larkin. Dunne was ITGWU secretary in Waterford. Dick Keane was an old railwayman who had
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been victimized after the 1911 rail strike and became a coal merchant. He was a member of the ITGWU. Luke Larkin was another railwayman (NUR) and the most enterprising activist on the trades council. The Munster Express thought Dunne closer to the Redmondites, and Larkin and Keane closer to Sinn Féin. It also thought the slump in the Labour vote surprising, and attributed the Sinn Féin success to party cohesion and its ability to work the new PR. On Dungarvan UDC, Labour fielded 9 candidates and won 3 out of 15 seats, electing M. Greaney, Carpenters’ Union, and P. Ducey and P. Moore, both ITGWU. In Lismore, Labour took 2 of the 9 seats. The Labour candidates were Edward O’Shea, president of the local branch of the ITGWU, and Timothy Duggan, another ITGWU man. Labour was seen as the victor in the election. It celebrated with a torchlight parade, followed by ‘an immense crowd’.1 In the city, Sinn Féin won an overall majority and Dr Vincent White was elected Mayor on 23 February. He saw his job as being ‘to tear asunder the old order of things, which had been set up generations before by the English regime of public administration’. Famously he pointed to the mace and told the municipal mace-bearer: ‘remove that bauble’. He also replaced the Mayor’s traditional red cloak with a tricolour robe. [11] Redmondites responded in doggerel: In the town hall there’s a great amadán, Who wants to be known as Vincent Ó Bán. Within weeks of his election White colluded in the Waterford Soviet. The Soviet was another of the many instances of Labour support for the independence struggle, and it also illustrated how the struggle was radicalizing Labour. It emerged from the decision of the Irish TUC to call an immediate general strike on Monday 12 April 1920 for the release of 66 republicans on hunger strike in Mountjoy for political status. Once the strike began, it acquired a class, and even revolutionary character. Throughout nationalist Ireland, it was enforced by workers’ councils, many of which assumed control of their areas in the style of soviets, complete with red guards. White handed over to Luke Larkin and allowed the Waterford strike committee to operate from the City Hall. On Tuesday and Wednesday the committee set about regulating commerce in the city and demonstrating its authority through a permit system, though perhaps they went too far in touring the pubs and evicting ‘found-
1 Munster Express, 24 Jan 1920.
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ons’. Shortly after 5.00pm on Wednesday, word came through that Dublin Castle had backed down. Alarmed at the possibility of the national revolution turning ‘Bolshevist’, the British government agreed to release prisoners awaiting trial or deportation and in need of hospital treatment. Labour was jubilant. In Waterford, thousands flocked to the City Hall, where a red flag was “suspended” from the building to loud cheers. The revolutionary theatre made a greater impression in Britain than in Ireland. The Manchester Guardian observed on 20 April:
The direction of affairs passed during the strike to these [workers’] councils, which were formed not on a local but on a class basis…it is no exaggeration to trace a flavour of proletarian dictatorship about some aspects of the strike.
On 27 April, the Guardian featured an article headed “”Soviet” Government in Waterford”, which reported that a deputation of southern loyalists to No.10 Downing St had given Bonar Law a ‘full account’ of events in the city, which had been ‘taken over by a Soviet Commissioner and three associates’. On 24 and 28 April, the British Labour paper, the Daily Herald, carried articles on Waterford’s ‘Red Guards’:
A red flag floated over the Town Hall, and a sort of ‘Red Guard’ was established under three transport leaders. In short, the city was ruled by a Soviet during the time of the strike.
The Irish media played down the red flaggery, partly because it did not wish to assist the efforts of the British to delegitimize the national movement by depicting it as Bolshevist. However, Mayor White said he was not perturbed at some newspaper reports of him coming under ‘soviet government’. On the contrary, he congratulated
the Soviet Government of Waterford on a very effective, masterly, and successful demonstration, and [hoped] the time will not be long in coming when the Soviet Government of Waterford will have an opportunity of again demonstrating the powers which it undoubtedly possesses.
In many ways the Soviet was pure theatre, but it was all the more sophisticated for that, and reflected a spirit that Labour leaders failed to exploit. As yet, there seemed to be no urgency. Labour was getting stronger and stronger and the future was looking bright.
Elections for County Councils and Rural District Councils were held in June. Labour won 8 seats on the County Council, and 12 of the 21 seats on Kilmacthomas RDC.
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The slump
So what happened to all this militancy and radicalism? The short answer is the slump. The boom and the massive expansion of the world’s productive capacity created a crisis of overproduction in 1920. Food prices started to fall in August. 1920 was a bit like 2008, the year of the banking crash. Everything was going grand in the spring. The, it started to go pear-shaped in the autumn. Industry was affected in 1921, and by 1922 over 25% of insured workers were unemployed.
Employers demanded a return to pre-war wage levels and in Britain there was a sudden adjustment following Black Friday, 15 April 1921. That was the day the British National Transport Workers’ Federation and the National Union of Railway refused to support the Miners in their opposition to pay cuts. The collapse of the so-called ‘triple alliance’ led to wage cuts all along the line. Employers expected that the same would happen in Ireland with the railwaymen providing the initial sacrificial victims. But the unsettled conditions generated by the Truce, the split in the IRA, and the Civil War delayed employer action.
Labour did well in holding its own up to 1923. Farm labourers defeated a wage cut in May 1922, and in the June general election, the Labour candidates, Jack Butler and Nicholas Phelan, won 31.3% of the vote in Waterford-East Tipperary and both were elected. [12] [13]
Things went wrong in 1923. A strike of 1,500 labourers began in May and turned into a virtual war. The strikers regularly burned farmers’ property. [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] The farmers were protected by 600 men of the Special Infantry Corps, an army unit raised specifically as ‘armed police’ to deal with farm strikes. Union pickets were often referred to as ‘Red guards’, and in October, vigilantes calling themselves White Guards began a campaign of terror against union activists in east Waterford. The WFA also composed a ‘Farmers’ Song’. One verse went:
Come every man join in the van
Let none be slackers base,
For if the Bolshies win this fight
They’ll grind our future race.
What e’er befall let one and all
Be loyal to his band,
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The red flag will be trampled on
By true men of our land.
The strike led to a lockout of Transport Union members in Dungarvan and had a severe effect on the town.
In the August 1923 general election the Labour vote fell to 18% of the poll. Nicholas Phelan had been expelled from the Labour Party for failure to attend Dáil sessions, and his place on the ticket was taken by the ITGWU organizer, Jimmy Baird. Baird had been a boilermaker in Harland and Wolff in Belfast until victimized in the 1920 pogroms. Both Baird and Butler focused mainly on the farm strike, on which Baird was known as a firebrand. He polled well, but wasn’t elected. Butler did not poll so well but picked up transfers and held his seat.
In December, William O’Brien, the ITGWU general sec, believed that the farm strike in Waterford was unwinnable, and decided to call it off. As he noted in his memoirs: ‘that ended that and we did not try to organize the agricultural labourers afterwards’. So that ended that. It was just one of many defeats suffered by various unions in 1923, the worst ever year in the history of the Labour movement. By 1924 Labour was battered, divided, and demoralized. Trade unionism collapsed on the land and contracted severely among unskilled urban workers. Jack Butler left the Labour Party and joined Fine Gael. Baird lost his job and emigrated to Australia. He died in Brisbane in 1948. The ITGWU had 120,000 members in 1921 and 15,000 by 1929. Irish TUC membership fell from 200,000 to 90,000.
Conclusion
Many of the chronic problems that beset the labour movement throughout the 20th century can be traced to these years. It would be unfair to accuse the leadership of betraying the rank and file. It was impossible to ‘hold the harvest’ in the context of the slump. Economic reality was against them. It was reckless to have promised so much, but they would have been criticised for compromise too. However, the Labour leadership of the time was inexperienced. It can be faulted for not engaging with the national revolution and seeing it as an opportunity rather than a problem; and for failing to tackle the thorny question of the relationship between the party and the trade unions. The abiding weakness of the working class has been its lack of solidarity at the ballot box. Again and again, workers have refused to take compromise for the Labour Party. But they took it from Fianna Fáil. Labour’s silliest mistake was not to see that the good times would one day come to halt and a boom is always
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followed by a slump. How could they have been so stupid? We wouldn’t make that mistake today, would we?
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RARE CLONMEL!!
See me and my ass and car near the Main Guard delivering spuds to the shops?-No, not the car at the West Gate-that’s Tommy Murray and his JENNET(HINNY) delivering the milk!!!!
London Lockdown for Christmas
London will this week move into the strictest level of coronavirus restrictions tomorrow, Wednesday
Tier 3 restrictions will see pubs and restaurants forced to close across the capital during what is usually their busiest time of the year.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock confirmed the city’s fate during a statement to MPs in the House of Commons on Monday afternoon.
Mr Hancock said it was necessary to move London from Tier 2 to Tier 3 to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed.
“Over the last week we have seen very sharp, exponential rises in the virus across London, Kent, parts of Essex and Hertfordshire,” he said. Parts of Essex and Hertfordshire will join London in the jump up from Tier 2 on Wednesday.
But as health experts admit the picture looks “gloomy”, what can the city’s nine million residents expect from a toughening up of measures??
Here’s a breakdown of the Tier 3 rules:
Home
No mixing is allowed with other people indoors apart from your household or bubble, nor can you meet in a private garden.
However, up to six people can meet outside in public parks or playgrounds.
Hairdressers/Beauty salons
These can open but will be expected to operate in a Covid-secure manner or risk closure.
Pubs, bars and restaurants
These must close except for takeaway, delivery and click and collect services.
Shops
All shops can stay open but must operate in a Covid-secure manner.
Theatres and cinemas
These, as well as bowling alleys, nightclubs and casinos must all close.
Work
Work advice remains for people to work from home whenever possible.
Travel
Official advice is to limit travelling as much as possible and reducing the number of journeys you take wherever possible.
You can continue to travel within your area for reasons such as:
- For work
- For education
- To access charitable or youth services
- To carry out caring responsibilities
- For moving house
- To visit your support bubble
- To receive medical support
Education
All nurseries, schools, colleges and universities can remain open.
However, some councils have already advised teachers and heads to move learning online.
Trade Union Campaign Against Repression (TUCAR)
Left Archive: Documents from the Trade Union Campaign Against Repression, c.1978 December 14, 2020
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Many thanks to the person who forwarded these documents to the Archive. One is a Submission of Labour Movement Delegation to Labour Dáil Representatives from Paddy Healy, then PRO of the Trade Union Campaign Against Repression, outlining the repressive measures taken in Northern Ireland by the security forces. In particular it focuses on the death of union activist Brian Maguire in Castlereagh. It calls for the Labour movement to cease its silence and inactivity ‘on continued repression in the North’.
Also attached is a petition from TUCAR exhorting the British government to ‘put an immediate end to the torture of suspects’ signed by a range of union leaders.
Here’s a post written by Alan Mac Simoin on the precursor organisation “Trade Union Coordinating Committee Against Repression“. As Alan noted:
This grouping, which soon changed its name to the less cumbersome Trade Union Campaign Against Repression, was set up in 1977 by a mixture of left republican and socialist trade unionists concerned about the growing use of the courts in industrial disputes and the increasing curtailment of civil liberties on both sides of the border.
As Alan also noted:
TUCCAR’s biggest success was undoubtably in May 1977, when they called a strike in Belfast in protest at the death of AUEW shop steward Brian Maguire at the hands of the RUC in Castlereagh barracks. About 2,000 came out, from jobs like the Royal Victoria Hospital and the Kennedy Way industrial estate. All the strikes were in nationalist West Belfast, though I do know that some large jobs in East Belfast were leafleted by a couple of younger members. And that was a very courageous thing to do at the time.
Here’s a contemporaneous report from Militant on the death of Brian Maguire.
Please note: If files have been posted for or to other online archives previously we would appreciate if we could be informed of that. We always wish to credit same where applicable or simply provide links.
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HUGE CUTS ON THE WAY IN FUTURE YEARS!!!
HUGE CUTS ON THE WAY-(PH)
IRISH EXAMINER, Daniel McConnell: Why next year will be even more painful than 2020
“The projected budget surplus forecast in January has swung to a deep deficit of €25bn, in order to sustain the economy.
However, amid all the good news and discussion around vaccine rollout and businesses preparing to re-open, two sobering warnings were sounded but which got drowned out. …………. the Irish Fiscal Advisory Council (Ifac) raised concerns about the scale of spending outlined in Budget 2021. It said the Government has not explained how it will finance up to €8.5bn in increased permanent spending announced in the recent budget that will remain long after the current pandemic”—IRISH EXAMINER DEC 7
In light of the horrendous year the people of this country and beyond have endured, news of vaccines is most welcome. But 2021 will pose its own set of problems, writes Daniel McConnell
The Government is hoping to get a bounce from the reopening of the economy and a fast rollout of the various vaccines
Quite rightly, the national conversation over the past 10 days or so has been dominated about the emergence of several vaccines and their potential rollout as well as the welcome emergence out of Level 5 restrictions.
In light of the horrendous year the people of this country and beyond have endured, such news is most welcome.
While the road ahead is far from certain, what is clear is that we are at the beginning of the end of this most unnatural interruption to our daily lives.
Because of the virus, Government policy shut businesses down overnight, some of which remain closed today, some would say unfairly.
The nine months of restrictions on our liberties have come at a huge cost, financially, economically and socially but an extraordinary series of supports and government interventions have sought to buffer us as a country against the worst of the effects of the Covid-19 pandemic.
A confluence of events, including record low-interest rates, steadfast lending by the European Central Bank (ECB), and a loosening of usual spending rules have allowed the Government step in and save thousands of businesses and hundreds of thousands of jobs from being lost.
We were told that austerity was not the policy of choice and a Keynesian-style approach of stimulating the economy was being followed.
The projected budget surplus forecast in January has swung to a deep deficit of €25bn, in order to sustain the economy.
The Pandemic Unemployment Payment and the various wage subsidy schemes have been instrumental in ensuring the remarkable sense of social cohesion which has existed here since March.
However, amid all the good news and discussion around vaccine rollout and businesses preparing to re-open, two sobering warnings were sounded but which got drowned out.
Firstly, the Irish Fiscal Advisory Council (Ifac) raised concerns about the scale of spending outlined in Budget 2021. It said the Government has not explained how it will finance up to €8.5bn in increased permanent spending announced in the recent budget that will remain long after the current pandemic.
In its report assessing the Government’s Budget 2021 plan, Ifac said the extra spending increases will make it more difficult to bring the debt ratio back down at a steady pace in the post-Covid recovery period.
Ifac also raised transparency concerns about almost €3bn in spending increases for 2021 in non-exchequer areas such as local councils.
“The increase in permanent spending is surprisingly large,” the report stated.
“There is limited transparency on a large portion of it, and there is little indication as to how new measures will be financed sustainably over the medium term.”
As my colleague Alan Healy reported in the Irish Examiner, chairperson of the Fiscal Council, Sebastian Barnes, said the increased spending creates a “bit of a hole in the public finances at a time where we don’t know, exactly where revenue is going to be, but likely on a lower path than we were before”.
“Having these big increases in spending is potentially a risky strategy. The increases are very large, amongst the largest increases in net policy spending in recent years. Very much on a par with the very big increase in 2018,” he said.
Then came the dire warning from Public Expenditure Minister Michael McGrath that tax increases are on the cards next year, as the bill for dealing with Covid-19 will need to be met.
Mr McGrath has said some adjustments to taxes will be needed.
While Mr McGrath admitted that the public will see some increases to tax in the coming years, he said the measures would be nowhere near as drastic as were seen during the economic crash.
“You can’t rule out some tax increases under different headings, but we are determined, first of all to bring about the recovery of the economy,” he said.
Mr McGrath said he still stands over the programme for Government, which laid out increases in spending, but he added that when it comes to each individual budget, he will “assess the circumstances”.
“We will assess the circumstances at each point in time, but there are a range of tax heads and a range of possible revenue-raising measures. But even the Fiscal Advisory Council, themselves, acknowledge that we will almost certainly be able to avoid the type of austerity that we’ve seen in the last decade, because it is our assessment and I think it is shared by them, that the bulk of the heavy lifting here can be done by economic recovery. And that’s why we are making the right decision,” he told Newstalk Breakfast.
Mr McGrath and Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe will publish their multi-annual budgetary projections in April, which he said will “demonstrate the pathway back to a broadly balanced budget”.
He acknowledged that Ifac was critical of extra expenditure laid out in Budget 2021, but went on to defend the increases.
About two-thirds of it actually is accounted for by the increase in capital investment and the increase in investment in our public health service.
Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform Michael McGrath said earlier this week that tax increases are likely. Picture: Stephen Collins/Collins Photos
“I would strongly defend the increase in capital investment, this is the right time to invest, we’re able to borrow at historically low-interest rates, essentially close to zero. And we are going to get things done that need to be done in this country,” he said.
While we know carbon taxes are going to continue to be increased between now and 2030, the big question is whether McGrath is likely to target income tax increases.
The other method of closing the deficit is cutting public spending and the political reality is that for government, the taking back of any payment extended to people is extraordinarily difficult.
For example, the PUP was due to only last for 12 weeks, but it is still there and has been extended until the New Year.
Several more experienced Fianna Fáil TDs have reminded me of the time in 2008 when then Finance Minister Brian Lenihan removed the automatic entitlement to a medical card for the over 70s and the visceral reaction the party received as a result.
That move alone cost Fianna Fáil about 15 points in the opinion polls, support that never returned.
Since taking office, McGrath has overseen two budgets in effect (the July Stimulus and Budget 2021) but as he would admit himself giving money out is far easier than cutting spending.
With his party’s poll ratings languishing at just 12%, McGrath and his Taoiseach Micheál Martin will be hoping to get some sort of a bounce from the economy re-opening and from a fast rollout of the various vaccines.
But, low poll ratings make TDs jittery as they fear losing their seat, so the appetite to withdraw such expensive supports may not exist, even if the economic case for their continuance has faded.
Often doing what is right is politically toxic and there are doubts whether this shaky three-way government has the stomach to increase taxes and introduce cuts to spending.
Such battles as to where the axe will fall tend to be very divisive and can be an impediment to prudent and good decision making.
For all of the pain we saw this year, the truth is that next year is likely to be much worse.
IRISH GOVERNMENT AND SINN FÉIN MUST FORCE BRITAIN TO HONOUR THE WESTON PARK AGREEMENT AND SET UP AN INQUIRY INTO THE MURDER OF SOLICITOR PAT FINUCANE!
Justine McCarthy: Finucane family deserve justice, not more lies
Britain must honour its word and set up inquiry into murder of solicitor
– Justine McCarthy, ‘Sunday Times’, December 6:
“The Irish government is too diplomatic to spell it out but what the uncontested narrative tells us is that, first, state agents colluded in his murder and ever since they have colluded in covering it up. A limited inquiry by Canadian judge Peter Cory found, after MI5 raided his office and erased evidence, that there was security forces collusion in Finucane’s murder.
Tory NI Secretary Brandon Lewis’s excuses for not establishing a full inquiry are pathetic. He claims that the PSNI needs to continue investigating it, but the PSNI has said there is no investigation. He has said the ombudsman needs to review it, but the ombudsman said there was no review in the pipeline. Besides, according to former ombudsman Nuala O’Loan, the office lacks the power to probe security force collaboration.
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Britain must honour its word and set up inquiry into murder of solicitor
If the British government were a second-hand car salesman, would you be inclined even to discuss the price of his dangling, furry dice? Chances are, once you got them home, you’d find spots on only five sides of each cube and, on the sixth, the legend: “sucker”.
Boris Johnson leads a government that has no scruples. Less than a year after signing the Brexit withdrawal agreement, Brandon Lewis, the Northern Ireland secretary, shamelessly told the House of Commons that the UK Internal Market Bill contravened international law underpinning the deal. This week, Johnson’s government intends forging ahead with separate taxation legislation designed to break that very same law, the aim of which was to protect the Good Friday agreement and peace in Northern Ireland.
If the Conservative Party leader’s ambition is to regain Britannia’s colonial spirit — whether to big up himself or his country — he certainly has his finger on its perfidy pulse. Perhaps there is something in the water in No 10 that infects its occupants with a genetic sense of their personal immunity to the rules governing everyone else.
Downing Street’s bare-faced mendacity appears to have come as a surprise, and not just to those watching from beyond Britain’s shores. Former British prime ministers and Tory leaders also condemned the UK Internal Market Bill, including Theresa May, John Major, Tony Blair and Michael Howard.
One person unlikely to have been shocked by London’s double-dealing is Geraldine Finucane. She has been waiting nearly 20 years for the British government to honour a commitment it made under the Weston Park agreement to establish an independent public inquiry into her husband’s murder in 1989 and how it was facilitated by people working on behalf of the British state. Her mission to find out who ordered the murder of Pat Finucane is a Troubles-era mirror of the successful crusade by Hanna Sheehy-Skeffington for a public inquiry into the 1916 murder of her husband, Francis, and its cover-up by state agents.
When I interviewed Geraldine Finucane 14 years ago in her north Belfast home, the same house where Pat died still holding his dinner fork, she declined to talk about the night of February 12, 1989. “It’s very personal,” she said. “People have very good imaginations.”
The couple and their three children — then aged 17, 12 and 8 — were eating at the kitchen table when two masked UDA men in military-style camouflage jackets burst into the house and shot the 39-year-old solicitor three times through the closed kitchen door. They then entered the kitchen and fired 11 more bullets into his prostrate body. Geraldine suffered a flesh wound on her ankle from a ricochet.
The couple met while students at Trinity College in Dublin, an unsurprising venue for Geraldine as the daughter of middle-class northern Protestant parents. For Finucane, the son of Belfast nationalists whose brothers John, Seamus and Dermot were destined to join the IRA, Trinity was less familiar territory. I asked Geraldine what it was about him that had made her fall in love with him. She said there was no one thing: “I just loved him.” But, from the way she spoke, it was evident one of the things she loved was his commitment to the law.
Finucane gained prominence as a solicitor
at a young age. He pioneered the use of compensation claims after a successful challenge brought by Ireland to the European Court of Human Rights against the British government’s mistreatment of prisoners in Northern Ireland. He brought the 1982 murder of IRA man Gervaise McKerr by the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) to that same European court, intensifying conjecture about a British shoot-to-kill policy operating in the north.
About three months before he was murdered, Finucane had his client Patrick McGeown acquitted of charges relating to the murders of two corporals during a funeral in Belfast’s Andersonstown. In a 1992 interview with American lawyers, McGeown recounted that he was later stopped by a police officer who was angry at his acquittal. According to McGeown, the policeman had said: “We intend to make sure that you won’t be about too long. And your mate, Pat, we’ll fix him too.”
Three weeks before Finucane died, Douglas Hogg, the UK’s junior Home Office minister, engaged in nothing short of felon-setting during a debate in the House of Commons. “I have to state as a fact but with great regret,” he said, “that there are in Northern Ireland a number of solicitors who are unduly sympathetic to the cause of the IRA.”
Ireland’s quid pro quo undertaking in the Weston Park agreement was to set up an inquiry into possible garda collusion in the 1989 murders of two senior RUC officers, Harry Breen and Robert Buchanan. That inquiry, chaired by Peter Smithwick, was established in 2005 and submitted its final report seven years ago.
And still Geraldine Finucane waits. Every time there is a fresh flurry of publicity about her husband’s murder, her petite image flashes up on our television screens. You can see the toll that Downing Street’s double-crossing has taken on her high-boned beauty.
This is not about Brit-bashing. As with any country, the state is a different species from its people. Numerous British lawyers, human rights advocates, politicians, journalists and individual civil servants have agitated for their state to honour its word and set up a proper inquiry into the killing of Pat Finucane. To those who loved him, his death was a tragedy. For all of us, it is a horror story.
The Irish government is too diplomatic to spell it out but what the uncontested narrative tells us is that, first, state agents colluded in his murder and ever since they have colluded in covering it up. A limited inquiry by Canadian judge Peter Cory found, after MI5 raided his office and erased evidence, that there was security forces collusion in Finucane’s murder.
Lewis’s excuses for not establishing a full inquiry are pathetic. He claims that the PSNI needs to continue investigating it, but the PSNI has said there is no investigation. He has said the ombudsman needs to review it, but the ombudsman said there was no review in the pipeline. Besides, according to former ombudsman Nuala O’Loan, the office lacks the power to probe security force collaboration.
Why, you have to wonder, is the Westminster government still determined to stop the truth coming out? It is nearly 32 years since Finucane was murdered. Key figures, including the British Army spy Brian Nelson and then prime minister Margaret Thatcher, are dead. Why is the person who gave the order still being protected?
Geraldine Finucane has vowed to fight with the last breath in her body to find out who that person was. Even if it were Thatcher, commanding the so-called dirty war from her armchair in Downing Street, is her reputation more important than the law? The contempt that Johnson’s government has shown for the rule of law suggests there are still some in Downing Street who would answer yes.
West Failed To Contrl Covid 19 Largely for Economic Reasons!!!
The West Gave Up On Wiping Out Covid — And That Was Its Big Mistake
The West Faces a Brutal, Bleak Covid Winter — While Normalcy is Returning in the East
umair haqueFollowDec 5 · 10 min read.

The West faces a bleak, brutal Covid winter. In America, numbers are exploding all over again — for the third time in a row. Across Europe, cases are falling, but from a massively high peak.
And as people congregate for the holidays, cases are likely to rise in the West all over again. In America, they are set to skyrocket to new heights, and in Europe, yet another wave is likely. Meanwhile, in much of the rest of the world — large parts of Asia, Africa — life is slowly returning to some semblance of normality.
What went wrong? The West made a mistake so fundamental, so elemental, so basic, that it’s still gone unexamined, and unremarked on. What is that mistake?
I live, part of the year, in one of the West’s most lively neighborhoods. A place famed for its bars, restaurants, clubs. In a regular year, millions of visitors pack it full, thronging the avenues for a taste of the culture, the nightlife, the music, and art that it gave birth to. For much of this one, though, my neighborhood was empty. Until recently, that is. Today, we went out for a little walk — and there everyone was. It’s Christmastime all over again — and the shoppers packed the stores, the pedestrians lined the avenue, the families strolled down the streets.
I tell you this story for a reason. It’s not (just) to shame all these people, though perhaps they do deserve a little bit of shame. What are they thinking, pretending like things are normal, while a deadly virus rises to new heights? The answer, though, is that they’re just thinking what they’ve been told to think, which is…nothing much at all. Let me explain what I mean.
Some of these people — many of them, maybe — are Covidiots, skeptics, nutcases, radicalized by even bigger idiots, thanks to Facebook and Twitter and so on. They’ll actively deny Covid exists or will minimize it as being just like the flu. But many more of them are another kind of idiot. They know Covid is real, and they even know that it’s dangerous. But they’re not able to think about it well, because nobody has taught them to. So they shrug and try to desperately make life resume as normal. Who’s the more dangerous idiot, then — the Covidiot, the denier, the malicious one, or this kind of person, the one who’s an idiot by way of indifference, carelessness, thoughtlessness?
This kind of person is acting thoughtlessly, with a kind of massively idiotic indifference — shopping and eating and partying like it’s a normal holiday season — because they can. They can act thoughtlessly precisely because nobody much is examining the big mistake the West made, which let Covid get so bad, spiral out of control, make it something that’s simply dragging on and on and on.
What is that fundamental mistake?
It’s so simple it hides in plain sight. The West didn’t try to stamp out Covid.To reduce cases to zero.The attitude in the West was something like: “We’ll do what we can to minimize and lessen this pandemic.” It wasn’t: “we’re going to eradicate this deadly disease, and wipe it out.”
Do you see the difference? How basic it is — yet how much damage it’s done??
Let me make it much, much clearer how different this attitude is. The world’s most successful countries at dealing with Covid all have one thing in common. They began with the objective of wiping it out. Their goal wasn’t to merely limit Covid’s transmission and impact. It was to get to zero Covid cases.
As in none.
It was, in other words, a kind of zero-tolerance policy. Which countries did this? Every single one that would later turn out to be a global leader at dealing with Covid. South Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan, Singapore, and many others — which I’ll come to.
The West’s attitude was: “We don’t need to try and wipe Covid out. We’ll strike a compromise between public health and the economy.” That’s the way its pundits put it — I put it formally for a reason. So you can see how arrogant it was, and how foolish that arrogance made the West. Because now Covid is wracking it, killing thousands of people every day, while in the East, it isn’t.
The West’s theory was dead wrong. Trying to compromise with a deadly pandemic is like trying to compromise with terrorists or sociopaths — it doesn’t work. The economic damage wasn’t lessened by minimizing Covid, instead of wiping it out, with strict, severe lockdowns, test and trace policies, social cooperation. Instead, it’s going on and on and on. In the East, economies are picking up steam again, because people can resume consumption and production and life as usual. In the West, though, the longer Covid goes on, so does the economic damage. The attitude of negotiating gently with Covid instead of trying to swiftly, fully, totally eradicate it was profoundly, incredibly foolish.
It was the West’s big mistake. Because it didn’t try to wipe Covid out — mostly for “economic” reasons, an idea which turned out to be obvious nonsense, as in, who’s going to spend money when thousands of people are dying every day — here it is, still wracked by Covid, much of it worse than ever before.
Let’s take America as the obvious, textbook example. When Covid hit, it’s true — Donald Trump denied it existed, then minimized it, then told people to drink bleach and inject Lysol, then golfed…all while knowing how deadly it was.
But all that only hides the deeper truth. Nobody much in America thought of wiping Covid out, eradicating it. Nobody much advocated such an approach. Nobody much fought for it or even raised it as an idea. Sure, some lonely scientists — epidemiologists, virologists, and so on — did. But by and large, in American society and culture, this idea wasn’t even discussed. Columnists and pundits and public figures all simply glossed over the whole idea of wiping Covid out. They never raised it once as far as I know. So there was no public discussion of it. Hence, people weren’t informed about the idea of eradicating Covid.
That is why, today, the average Westerner still appears totally ignorant of this basic idea. And that is the crucial part:the knowledge that it is possible to eradicate a disease, the goal of doing so, is what made those societies successful at handling it in the first place. No half-measures.
If I ask all those average Westerners walking down the streets in my lively neighborhood — acting blithely, stupidly like they’re not spreading a deadly pandemic — “Hey, do you think we should try to wipe Covid out? As in, should we aim for zero cases at all?” what do you think would happen? I’d bet that I’d get blank stares, mostly (and maybe punched in the face by some drunk Santa-cap wearing frat bro.)
The average Westerner appears to have no idea whatsoever that deadly pandemics like Covid are things that we should have tried to wipe out, eradicate totally — not just shrug and live with.
This mistake is so basic, yet so profound, it’s a little mind-blowing to me. People in the West — especially America and Britain — genuinely appear not to even realize that their societies should have tried to wipe Covid out, and should still be trying. The failure itself was surrendering to Covid in the very beginning, with the dangerously mistaken attitude that society could compromise with a deadly disease, instead of fight it until there were no cases left anymore.
Now, when we say “West”, what we usually mean is “white.” So let me give you two examples of majority-white societies that did get this right — that did try to wipe Covid out. Australia’s just gone through a painful period of lockdowns. A very strict, super-severe one. The goal of those lockdowns was to wipe Covid out. It wasn’t to slightly lessen it, or to stop it a little bit, but to reduce cases to zero.
Guess what? That attitude — trying to wipe Covid out, instead of settling for slightly lessening it — made all the difference.
Do you know how many Covid cases Australia had today? Seven. Not 700 or 7000. But just…seven.
That is what New Zealand did from the beginning: try to wipe Covid out. By now you know that it’s a global leader at handling Covid. What you might not know is that it’s basically had no cases — an average of maybe three a day — since May. Again, the attitude, the goal, the objective, made all the difference. It wasn’t to compromise with the pandemic, to live with it, but not to — to stop it in its tracks, to not have a single case at all.
Contrast that attitude with almost every Western country. America’s an egregious example, and Americans blame Trump for their Covid nightmare. The fault, though, isn’t just his. It’s a larger failure of American institutions, society, the American mind — to this day, you won’t read a single media column or see a single pundit saying that Covid should be eliminated. Joe Biden won’t say it. Nobody will. And so what do you expect? The average American acts like the world’s biggest idiot, precisely because nobody is educating him or her not to be. Teaching them that the way to deal with pandemics is to wipe them out.
If I wrote a column tonight entitled: “America’s goal should be zero Covid cases,” and sent it to the NYT — it’d get swiftly rejected. You see how deep the problem goes. Nobody much is willing to face reality in America to the point that basic ideas that make other societies successful aren’t even part of society’s and the individual persons’ thought process anymore.
But the same is true across the West. There’s no inkling — absolutely none — in Britain, for example, that the right number of Covid cases for a society to aim for is zero. The average person has no idea whatsoever of this fact, never appears to have even entertained the notion, and hence never discusses it. So what kind of sense of responsibility or care do you expect the average dummy to show? Of course, they show none: they are being allowed to live in a fantasy world, where a pandemic isn’t something you try to wipe out. So Britain goes on being wracked by Covid. The reason is the same: the idea of eliminating the disease, the most basic one of all when it comes to a pandemic, is still completely out of the realm of social discourse, and always was.
Let me put all that slightly more formally, for concision’s sake.
Those societies who ended up being successful at Covid tried to “crunch” the curve — as in, reduce it to zero. Their goal wasn’t to “flatten” the curve — to lessen Covid, to live with it, to reduce it to some “manageable” level. It was to eliminate it. It was to have no Covid cases. None. Zero, zilch, nada. Forever.
Those societies who weren’t successful at Covid — who ended up being wracked by it, with thousands upon thousands dead — took the opposite stance. Their goal was to “flatten” the curve. It was to lessen Covid or limit it. To reduce it to a “manageable” amount. It wasn’t to crunch the curve and reduce cases to zero.
Why not? That ambition, goal, objective — it was considered unreasonable. By whom? By more or less everyone. One thing that both left and right agreed on in the West was that Covid couldn’t be eliminated. Sure, Trump is a moron, but what you might not have noticed is that even the Dems weren’t calling for Covid to be crunched down to zero. The same was true in Britain — the Tories bungled Covid spectacularly, but even the opposition never wanted to wipe it out completely. The story’s the same across all of the West, notably in, for example, Sweden, where society, bafflingly, accepted the idea that Covid should be allowed to spread.
In the West, social and political elites didn’t take the stance of wanting to eradicate Covid, to reduce cases to zero. And so what was there for the average person to cooperate with? The average person, who appears by now to the rest of the world to be a clueless, selfish dummy, was confused, baffled. What were the lockdowns for? If elites had told the working and middle classes the goal was to eliminate Covid, maybe the story would have been different.
Or maybe it wouldn’t have been. Maybe the idea that Covid was something to be eliminated never took root in the West because it couldn’t. Because elites knew they couldn’t sell this idea to working and middle classes, who by now have grown too selfish and indolent and stupid to even understand the basic idea that you should try to crunch a pandemic’s cases right down to zero. Maybe Westerners are too intellectually and morally and socially weak now to have ever accepted such an idea, much less acted towards it. Maybe it would have seemed as absurd as the elites who never even tried broaching such a goal appear to have believed.
That, anyway, is what the East sees. Easterners look at the West today, like much of the rest of the world, and wonder, baffled: “why didn’t they try to eliminate Covid? Why don’t they still try? Why do they keep on playing nice with it, hoping to reduce cases by a few percent this week, here or there — instead of wiping them out? Why don’t they aim for zero cases, forever, like any sane society did, as we did?”
There are many answers to that question. Answers about cynical elites, selfish populations, failed public figures, decrepit attitudes, toxic values. None of them are good answers, though.
Maybe, then, you should be asking yourself. Because the question, if you ask me, is as relevant now as it was then — when all this began.
Why aren’t we trying to wipe Covid out?
Umair
December 2020
False Claims About Covid 19 Debunked by thejournal.ie
Debunked: No, the HSE hasn’t said its coronavirus testing method is useless
The PCR test is globally recognised as the gold standard method for detecting the coronavirus.
A NUMBER OF posts being shared on social media in recent weeks claim the HSE has ‘admitted’ the coronavirus test used in Ireland is “useless” or “not accurate”.!!
These posts include a photo of an information leaflet given to people who attend for a coronavirus test. The leaflet states that there are limitations with the test as “no test is 100% accurate” and lists some of these limitations.
The viral posts all highlight one line in the leaflet which states: “The coronavirus testing method cannot be guaranteed as accurate, up-to-date, reliable, error-free, suitable, effective or as having any specific result or outcome.”
One post claims this equates to the HSE admitting the test is “useless”.
Another claims the HSE has “confirmed” the test is not accurate or reliable and that there is no specific result from the test.
The leaflet
First of all, TheJournal.ie checked with the HSE and this is a legitimate leaflet, given to people who attend an appointment for a coronavirus test when it is suspected they may have Covid-19 or if they are a close contact of a confirmed case.
The HSE said it is just one of the wide range of Covid-19 information resources developed by the HSE.
“It provides information on what the test involves, test results and also the limitation of testing for Coid-19.
“The leaflet is provided to people attending for a Covid-19 test, together with another leaflet on self-isolating at home. By providing information on the test, including its limitations, people attending for testing can make an informed choice and decide if they wish to be tested or not for Covid-19.”
How accurate is the test?
The test we use in Ireland uses the the reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction method, known as RT-PCR, or PCR for short.
PCR test methods are considered by the World Health Organization and the European Centre for Disease Control (ECDC) as the gold standard for diagnosing suspected cases of Covid-19.
It generally involves taking material samples through nasal and throat swabs. The test in the laboratory after a swab is taken looks for viral generic material.
Speaking to TheJournal.ie, Dr Cillian dr Gascun, director of the National Viral Reference Laboratory (NVRL) said it is “the most accurate test we have, the most sensitive test we have and the most specific test we have”.
“It’s widely uses in the diagnostic laboratories for virology and indeed for bacteriology as well. It’s not something we just developed for SARS-CoV-2, it’s been in use for many years for herpes, for the likes of HIV, hepatitis C, and we know that it’s incredible sensitive.”
The HSE said “all tests have limitations”, including diagnostic testing for Covid-19. It said extensive validations have been carried out in our laboratories to ensure that the test used shows high sensitivity.
The test is estimated to have a sensitivity of between 71 and 98%.
The limitations
De Gascun said there are two main issues that may arise with a PCR test. The first relates to the quality of the specimen – there has to be viral material on the swab to test.
The second issue, he said, can relate to the presence of the virus in the upper respiratory tract (nose/throat) – which is where the swab is taken from – at the time of sampling.
“We’ve seen reports from our colleagues in hospitals that people can be admitted with respiratory illness and at the time of admission the virus isn’t present in the respiratory tract, so the PCR doesn’t detect anything,” he said.
De Gascun said if a person gets a negative result but doctors in a hospital still believe they have Covid-19 because they are displaying symptoms of the disease, a test using a sample from the lower respiratory tract may detect the virus. The lower respiratory tract consists of the trachea down to the lungs.
More invasive processes than a swab, such as a bronchoalveolar lavage – liquid injected into a segment of the lung through a bronchoscope – can be used to collect these samples.
He said this is why it is important that people “don’t get caught up in the test results”.
“If you have a high index of suspicion and it is not detected then we would encourage people to get a follow-up sample and ideally a lower respiratory tract sample. But we’re trying to balance the logistics, obviously a lower respiratory tract sample can be quite unpleasant so we’re not going to subject everybody in communities to that,” he said.
“If people have symptoms, despite an undetected test result, we would need them to continue to follow public health advice because the test is just one component.”
De Gascun said it is important for health services to make people aware of the limitations of testing, as the HSE has done in this case, because of “trust in the system and awareness and education.oions will help us continue to deliver the stories that are important to you
He said these limitations are not confined to laboratory medicine, there are limitations with routine medical tests such as x-rays and blood tests.
“I think people have grown up watching things like House or ER where test results are black and white and that’s not the way it is in the real world. We know that the majority of our tests work well the majority of the time. There’s also an uncertainty of measurement there and it’s really important to education people and say these are the limitations but the test works very well.”
The claims
The posts that have been shared on social media claim the HSE, by informing people of the limitations of testing, has admitted the testing method is “useless”. The posts also claim the HSE has “confirmed” the testing method is not accurate and not reliable.
The HSE has never said the PCR testing method is “useless”. It is globally recognised as the most sensitive method to use to detect the coronavirus and this is why the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) recommended its use.
Further, in its information leaflet on the limitations of testing, the HSE did not say the test was “not accurate”. It stated that it could not be guaranteed as accurate. As the HSE stated in its leaflet – and as explained by Dr de Gascun – no testing method, whether it’s a Covid-19 test, a blood test or an x-ray, can be described as 100% accurate.
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There is a lot of false news and scaremongering being spread in Ireland at the moment about coronavirus. Here are some practical ways for you to assess whether the messages that you’re seeing – especially on WhatsApp – are true or not.
STOP, THINK AND CHECK
Look at where it’s coming from. Is it someone you know? Do they have a source for the information (e.g. the HSE website) or are they just saying that the information comes from someone they know? A lot of the false news being spread right now is from people claiming that messages from ‘a friend’ of theirs. Have a look yourself – do a quick Google search and see if the information is being reported elsewhere.
Secondly, get the whole story, not just a headline. A lot of these messages have got vague information (“all the doctors at this hospital are panicking”) and don’t mention specific details. This is often – but not always a sign – that it may not be accurate.
Finally, see how you feel after reading it. A lot of these false messages are designed to make people feel panicked. They’re deliberately manipulating your feelings to make you more likely to share it. If you feel panicked after reading something, check it out and see if it really is true.
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Posts on social media have wrongly claimed that PCR testing is inaccurate and produces a high rate of false positive results.
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Debunking Coronavirus Misinformation
FactCheck thejournal.ie
CLAIMS SHARED ON social media have suggested that the scientist who created PCR testing, a method used internationally to detect Covid-19, said that the tests could not be used to accurately identify Covid-19 and viruses like it.
Additionally, many of these posts have claimed that PCR testing returns a high number of false positives in a way that has inaccurately inflated the number of people diagnosed with Covid-19.
The claims first emerged months ago in other countries and have surfaced in Ireland in recent weeks.
The Claim
There are a few variants on the claim, but all of them make some reference to Kary Mullis, the American biochemist who created the PCR test, and suggest that he said the tests were not suitable for testing for viruses or Covid-19.
PCR tests are used in Ireland and many other countries, and involve taking a swab from someone’s throat and nose and then using PCR – polymerase chain reaction – to detect the genetic material of the virus that causes Covid-19.
A virus is a “small collection of genetic code, either DNA or RNA, surrounded by a protein coat”.
Viruses, which are unable to replicate alone, infect other cells and use components of the host cell to make copies of themselves, which is how they increase in number.
Different versions of the claim suggest that Mullis said that PCR tests:
- Could be used to find “anything in anybody”
- Should not be used to test for viruses or infectious diseases
- Should not be used to test for Covid-19
A Facebook post making the claim in Ireland shared on 14 October, for example, attributed the following quote to Mullis, who the post describes as the “PCR Covid (fake) test inventor”:
“With PCR if you can do it well you can find almost anything in anybody.”
An image in the post includes another quote that it attributes to Mullis: “PCR test cannot accurately test for infectious diseases… Test cannot detect free infectious viruses.”
The post then says: “This is the ‘test’ that is being used to produce the ‘cases’ to justify fascistic lockdown by finding anything in anybody – and they know it.”
The post has been shared 111 times and received 134 likes and 43 comments.
Another Facebook post, which has been shared 104 times, said that Mullins was the “inventor of the PCR Covid test” and that it was “not made to detect any kind of infectious disease. It’s just there to pick up a signature of your DNA and RNA”.
A post shared on a Facebook page on 24 November, which has been viewed over 15,000 times, said:
The people behind this plandemic knew that to maintain the constant fear they got to keep the cases high, so they decided to use the PCR test, “Kary Mullis” himself stated it can’t be used to detect covid19 and will test positive for anything if you increase its test frequency.
The claims have been made in multiple countries in different languages.
In Ireland, Mullis’ alleged doubts on the tests’ accuracy have been used in claims that the tests used by the HSE to detect Covid-19 are unreliable and overwhelmingly return false positives.
A leaflet with a number of false claims distributed in recent days to some houses in Dublin has referenced Mullis in claiming that there are huge numbers of false positives.about:blankImageUpload an image file, pick one from your media library, or add one with a URL.UploadSelect ImageInsert from URL
Amplification cycles
Several Facebook posts have suggested that PCR test in Ireland are using too many amplification cycles and that test results are inaccurate as a result.
Amplification cycles are used in PCR testing to replicate genetic material, which is tiny, in order to study it and detect the presence of the genetic material of a virus – in this case, Sars-CoV-2.
One post, which has been shared 250 times, said: “Scary stuff. HSE says the PCR tests use 40-45 amplification cycles. That means it’s totally unreliable and false positives will be off the charts. Could be a dose you had months ago. I think up to 30 is max. recommended. No wonder we have a Casedemic. The inventor of PCR, Kary Mullis said basically anything could be detected if amplified enough.”
Another post referencing amplification cycles, which has attached a photo of Kary Mullis, said that the test in Ireland is “amplified way too much to give accurate readings” and that “20 is the max cycle for accuracy”.
The Evidence
Kary Mullis
Kary Mullis was a biochemist from the US who won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1993 for inventing the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) technique for analysing DNA.
He did not say that the PCR method wouldn’t work for Covid-19 infections or that PCR testing does not work. Comments attributed to him in these claims on social media were either not made by him or have been taken out of context.
Mullis died last year before Covid-19 was identified, and as such, could not have made any specific assertion about the use of PCR testing for Covid-19.
Claims that Mullis said PCR tests don’t work have already been debunked by the Australian Associated Press back in July, and again by Full Fact in October and Reuters in November.
Mullis did actually say the words “anything in anybody” – but his quote has been taken out of context and presented in a misleading way by claims on social media.
The line comes from a discussion panel Mullis spoke at in 1993, a clip from which has been shared widely on social media pages making false claims about Covid-19 or the effectiveness of PCR testing, such as this one.
Specifically discussing the experience of people with HIV, Mullis said that “someone with HIV generally is going to have almost anything that you can test for”.
“If you have it, there’s a good chance you’ve also got a lot of other ones,” Mullis said, so “to test for that one and say that has any special meaning is what I think is the problem, not that PCR has been misused.”
He said: “If they could find this virus in you at all, with PCR, if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody, it starts making you believe in the Buddhist notion that everything is contained in everything else.”
The claims on social media have left out that Mullis was specifically discussing HIV and the experience of people with HIV who also contract other viruses.
Moreover, Mullis’ views on HIV and AIDS have been widely discredited. Mullis was a proponent of a theory led by a scientist called Peter Duesberg, first published in 1987, that HIV was not the cause of AIDS – it is.
The other quote that has been attributed to Mullis in these posts – that PCR testing “cannot detect free infectious viruses” – actually comes from an article written by an American writer called John Lauritsen. Mullis did not say it.
In the article, Lauritsen wrote about how tests like PCR don’t count the number of viruses in the blood. Instead, the test detects the genetic material of the virus to determine whether the virus is present.
This does not mean, and he is not saying, that PCR tests are not suited to testing for whether a person has contracted a particular virus, such as Covid-19.
Kary Mullis, who was born in 1944, died on 7 August 2019.
The first cases of Covid-19 were reported by officials in December 2019 in Wuhan, China.
Mullis could not have made any specific commentary on the effectiveness of using PCR testing for Covid-19.
Mullis received the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1993 for his invention of the PCR testing technique.
Presenting the award, Professor Carl-Ivar Brändén of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences said that the PCR method had a “profound influence on basic research in biology”.
“In addition to being an indispensable research tool in drug design, the PCR method is now used in the diagnosis of viral and bacterial infections,” Brändén said.
In an interview in 2005, Mullis said: “There’s nothing like getting a Nobel Prize. But by 1993, I didn’t need any confirmation that this was a useful thing because it was already.”
“You couldn’t find an issue of Science or Nature or Cell or PNAS that didn’t have lots of people using PCR.”
PCR testing and Ireland
The PCR testing method is being used internationally, including in Ireland, to detect if a person is currently infected with Covid-19.
The RT-PCR test is considered the gold standard for diagnosing a suspected case of Covid-19, and is the test recommended by the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control and the World Health Organisation.
Speaking to TheJournal.ie, a spokesperson for the HSE said Ireland’s use of the PCR testing technique is “based on expert advice”.
The method works by amplifying DNA so that it can be closely studied and used to detect the presence of a virus.
Claims about PCR tests in Ireland have said that they are inaccurate or cause a high volume of spurious false positives because the HSE uses 40-45 amplification cycles, which the posters say are too many.
Speaking on TheJournal.ie‘s The Explainer podcast, Professor Philip Nolan said that there is no evidence the tests are producing high numbers of false positives or that the amplification cycles are producing inaccurate results.
“The virus is tiny, it’s little fragments of genetic material, and what the PCR test is doing is replicating any genetic material it finds in the sample, and that’s amplifying the amount of virus,” Professor Nolan said.mportant to you
“[That] every cycle is replicating genetic material and doubling its amount is a simple way to think about it,” he said.
“The cycle threshold is the number of times you have to amplify the DNA to detect the presence of genetic material associated with Sars-CoV-2.
“The more amplifying you have to do, the more cycles you have to do; that suggests there was less of the virus in the original sample,” he said.
“A low cycle threshold suggests there was lots of virus, the person might be very infectious, and a high cycle threshold suggests that there’s less of the virus and either someone is very early on in their infection, so they’re shedding very little of the virus yet but they’ll go on in the next day or two to become quite infectious, or they’re at the end [of their infection].”
Professor Nolan said that a high cycle threshold “doesn’t necessarily cast the test into any doubt”.
“The virus is still there and one of the reasons there may be very little virus is that you could have taken a bad sample – that the person has plenty of virus, but you didn’t put the swab far enough back in their nose to pick it out, so you only got a small sample of the virus even though your patient has lots of it.
“There’s lots of reasons why you might have a low level of virus in your sample, and none of those reduce your concern about the person.
They may still be very sick, they may be about to get very sick, they may be recovering but may have infected people before you took the sample, so you have to treat that seriously.”
Professor Nolan said that in cases where there may be concern that something is wrong with a test or that it is taking a long time to amplify the virus, “you simply do another test”.
“There is no evidence that we’re detecting the virus in people who are not really infected – viral fragments from months ago or somebody strangely having some Sars-coronavirus nucleic acid up their nose but not really being infected: they are simply not real issues.”
He said that there “isn’t one cycle threshold – 30, for instance – that if you exceed it, it means your test isn’t really positive”.
“Different manufacturers have different recommendations for what kind of cycle threshold you might become suspicious and think about the clinical context or think about repeating the test,” he said.
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Health Feedback, a network of scientists that review scientific claims for accuracy, has debunked the false claim that a sensitive PCR test can drive inflated numbers of recorded Covid-19 cases.
Additionally, TheJournal.ie has already debunked false claims that the HSE said its testing method was useless – it did not.
Dr Cillian de Gascun, the director of the National Viral Reference Laboratory (NVRL), told TheJournal.ie that it is “the most accurate test we have, the most sensitive test we have and the most specific test we have”.
Dr de Gascun said that the PCR testing method is widely used in diagnostic laboratories and has been in use for years, such as in testing for herpes, HIV, and hepatitis C.
Speaking on Newstalk, de Gascun said that at most, the testing system in Ireland produces a maximum of one false positive for every 500 tests carried out, and likely even fewer than that in practice.
In the UK, the BBC has also countered claims around false positives and the accuracy of tests.
The Verdict
PCR testing is effective at testing for Covid-19 and other viruses, and is widely considered to be the gold standard for virus testing.
The method does not result in an abundance of false positives, and a PCR test for Covid-19 will not simply detect “anything” in an individual.
Claims on social media have either incorrectly or misleadingly – depending on the claim – attributed quotes to the creator of PCR testing, Kary Mullis, that suggest he was opposed to using PCR tests to test for viruses like Covid-19.
Of the two “quotes” attributed to him most frequently in these claims, one of them was taken out of context in a misleading way, and another was not said by Mullis but by a writer and has also been misinterpreted.
Mullis died before the first cases of Covid-19 were reported, and could not have commented specifically on the effectiveness of PCR testing for Covid-19.
As a result, we rate the claim that the creator of PCR tests said they do not work for Covid-19: FALSE.
As per our verdict guide, this means: The claim is inaccurate.
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FactCheck: No, the WHO’s Dr Mike Ryan didn’t say that Covid-19 is ‘no more dangerous’ than the flu
A number of different posts on Facebook with the same text have claimed that the assertion was made at a WHO briefing.
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FactCheck The Journal.ie Nov 11
THERE ARE SEVERAL social media posts being shared widely in Ireland that cite a World Health Organization (WHO) briefing as evidence that Covid-19 is “no more deadly or dangerous” than the seasonal flu when the death rates are compared.
This FactCheck examines the claim to see if it was true: this includes looking at who made the claim, what exactly was said at the WHO briefing, and an analysis of the mortality rates of both SARS-CoV-2 and the seasonal flu.
The Claim
This screenshot was shared by a Facebook page called Yellow Vest Ireland in October, and has amassed over 1,000 shares, and 700 reactions.
Source: Facebook
The website from which the screenshot was taken was also shared on this Facebook page.
The original author of the article is Kit Knightly from Off Guardian, a site that claims it was set up by authors “banned or censored” from The Guardian’s comment section.
This article has since been syndicated or copy and pasted onto other websites, including the one in the screengrab shared on the Yellow Vest Ireland Facebook page.
The piece, published on 8 October, cites a number of figures to reach the conclusion that Covid-19 is no more dangerous than the flu, focusing in particular on the infection fatality rate.
The first sentence reads: “The World Health Organization has finally confirmed what we (and many experts and studies) have been saying for months – the coronavirus is no more deadly or dangerous than seasonal flu.”
The article says:
- That the WHO believes roughly 10% of the world has been infected with SARS-CoV-2, based on seroprevalence studies (which measure how many people in a population have antibodies to an illness)
- That this is “good news” and that SARS-CoV-2 is “nothing like as deadly as everyone predicted”
- That the global population is roughly 7.8 billion people, and if 10% have been infected that is 780 million Covid-19 cases
- The global death toll currently attributed to SARS-CoV-2 infections is 1,061,539. The writer concludes that the death rate from Covid-19 is 0.14%
He notes that this death rate is significantly lower than the one initially mooted by the WHO in March, and says that the fatality rate could be even lower due to what he says is “the over-reporting of alleged Covid deaths”. He writes:
0.14% is over 24 times LOWER than the WHO’s “provisional figure” of 3.4% back in March. This figure was used in the models which were used to justify lockdowns and other draconian policies.
In fact, given the over-reporting of alleged Covid deaths, the IFR [infection fatality rate] is likely even lower than 0.14%, and could show Covid to be much less dangerous than flu.
The writer says that this claim was confirmed by WHO’s ‘top brass’ during a session of its executive board in early October, noting, “It’s just nobody seemed to really understand [what they said]. In fact, they didn’t seem to completely understand it themselves.”
What was said by Dr Mike Ryan
At a WHO briefing on Monday 5 October, the speakers talked about the epidemiological situation of Covid-19 worldwide. The video of the briefing is here (click ‘Session 1′, and skip to 1.00.28-1.02.14 for the relevant section).
We’ve transcribed part of it below where Dr Mike Ryan talked about an estimated 10% of the global population being infected with Covid-19, which was used to make the claims in the Kit Knightly article.
It should be noted that Dr Ryan did not give figures for the fatality rate of Covid-19 during this part of the briefing, nor did he compare it to the flu.
Dr Ryan, who is executive director of the WHO’s Health Emergencies Programme and a public health specialist, said the following at that briefing:
“The impact in terms of cases per million… varies around the world, so when we look at raw numbers it’s difficult to really look at the impact per head of population. This map shows you the diversity of that impact around the world…
Source: WHO
“…and equally so in terms of deaths. Last week we reached the grim milestone of 1 million deaths reported from Covid-19. Every one of those lives lost is a tragedy.
“The global numbers belie significant differences as I said in regional epidemiology: South East Asia continues to see a surge in cases, with Europe and the Eastern Mediterranean regions showing an increase in cases and deaths. The situation in Africa and the Western Pacific is currently rather more positive.
Our current best estimates tell us that about 10% of the global population may have been infected by this virus. This varies depending on country, it varies from urban to rural, it varies between different groups.
A statement from the WHO
We asked the WHO to respond to the conclusions drawn from the statement. They sent back a statement that Dr Ryan gave earlier this month, where he expanded on his remarks at the press conference (link to full transcript here).
He said that while it is difficult to estimate the fatality rates during an ongoing outbreak, studies have found that Covid has an infection fatality rate of around 0.6%, while seasonal flu has an infection fatality rate ‘much lower’ than 0.1%.
The claim being factchecked specifically referred to the infection fatality rate of Covid-19 as being 0.14%, which the author said was evidence that it could be much less dangerous than flu.
Dr Ryan said: “Estimates of case fatality ratio (CFR) and infection fatality ratio (IFR) during an outbreak are often inaccurate. WHO has issued a scientific brief to help countries estimate these ratios as appropriately and accurately as possible, while accounting for possible biases.”
He explained the two ways that the infection fatality rate is calculated:
Typically, we look to serological studies [which check for antibodies] to estimate the infection fatality ratio. Mathematical models are also being used to estimate it. There are several studies looking at this and they are converging to an infection fatality rate of around 0.6%, which amounts to over 1 death per 200 people infected.
For seasonal influenza, the case fatality rate varies year by year and is about 0.1%. The infection fatality rate is expected to be much lower owing to many asymptomatic infections.
Case fatality ratio vs infection fatality ratio
Let’s have a look at the two terms used by Dr Mike Ryan to talk about the death rates.
Case fatality ratio is the number of people who have died in proportion to the number of people who are confirmed by a laboratory test to have Covid-19.
Infection fatality ratio is the number of people who have died in proportion to the number of people who are estimated to have Covid-19, both tested and untested.
Put simply, the case fatality ratio is the number of people who have died as a percentage of the cases we are aware of, while the infection fatality ratio is the number of people who have died as a percentage of all cases – including the cases which we haven’t found or discovered through testing (such as mild or asymptomatic cases).
This explanation from the BBC puts it clearly:
Consider 100 people who have been infected with Covid-19. Ten of them have it so severely that they go into hospital, where they test positive for Covid-19. The other 90 are not tested at all. One of the hospital patients then dies from the virus. The other 99 people survive.
That would give a case fatality rate of one in 10, or 10%. But the infection fatality rate would be just one in 100, or 1%.
Based on global figures from 23 November provided by the Johns Hopkins University, the case fatality rate of Covid-19 across the world for that day was 2.4%. The Covid-19 case fatality rate for Ireland in the last available HPSC report was similar at 2.5%. ibutions will help us continue to he stories that are important to you
The infection fatality rate is seen as a more useful way to measure how deadly a virus is, even though the case fatality rate is easier to measure, as focusing solely on counting deaths by looking at laboratory-confirmed cases isn’t giving the full picture. The infection fatality rate is also the measure that was used in the article that we’re factchecking here.
Research has found that the Covid-19 infection fatality rate is between 0.5-1%, while the flu infection fatality rate is between 0.001% and 0.05%.
The infection fatality rate is estimated to be around 0.68% for Covid-19 by this meta-analysis from the International Journal of Infectious Diseases. The World Health Organization is broader, putting it at 0.5-1%.
The infection fatality rate for the seasonal flu is harder to capture – there is less data on the number of asymptomatic flu cases than there is for Covid-19 – but we do know that the case fatality rate is 0.13%, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the US, which means that the infection fatality rate is less than this.
Additionally, the CDC estimates that up to half of flu cases could be asymptomatic, meaning if the CFR is ~0.1%, then the IFR could be ~0.05%.
Added to that, a 2014 peer-reviewed study found that 1-10 people died per 100,000 people with flu infections. This would give it an IFR of 0.001-0.01%.
To put numbers on it, the flu kills between 290,000 to 650,000 people globally every year, with an average of 389,000 per year. In comparison, more than 1.4 million people have died since the World Health Organization declared the Covid-19 outbreak a pandemic in March of this year.
The author cites “over-reporting of alleged Covid deaths” to argue that the infection fatality rate could be lower than reported, but doesn’t cite specific figures and only links to an opinion piece of his own about how the UK records Covid-19 deaths.
The Verdict
The WHO did not claim, inadvertently or on purpose, that Covid-19 is no more dangerous than the flu.
That interpretation was made by the writer of the original claim, who used his own figures to estimate the infection fatality rate of Covid as being 0.14%, (and noted that it’s “likely even lower” than this). There is no evidence to back this up.
There is a discrepancy between what the author thinks the infection fatality rate of the flu is, and what health experts say it is. The IFR of the seasonal flu is not 0.1%, as the author seems to indicate – that is actually the flu’s case fatality rate. The author compares the flu’s CFR (lab-confirmed cases) with SARS-CoV-2′s IFR (all estimated cases, lab-tested and untested).
Numerous studies show that Covid-19′s case fatality rate and infection fatality rate are both higher than the corresponding figures for the seasonal flu. You can read these studies here, here, here and here.
Estimates from health authorities, including the World Health Organization, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, as well as a meta-analysis by a scientific journal, put the infection fatality rate of Covid-19 at between 0.5 to 1%. This is significantly higher than the infection fatality rate of flu which is estimated at between 0.001% and 0.05%.
To make the case that the flu is more deadly, the author claims that there has been an “overreporting of Covid deaths” without evidence.
The claim that the WHO and/or Dr Mike Ryan ‘admitted’ that Covid-19 is no more dangerous than the flu is FALSE.
The claim that Covid-19 is no more dangerous than the flu is also FALSE.
STAMP OUT COVID 19 NOW!!!!!!
DEC 7:RETAIN LEVEL 5 RESTRICTIONS OVER CHRISTMAS IF NECESSARY!!
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Campaign to Retain Level 5 Restrictions Until Covid 19 New Cases per day are Down to Under 10 per Day and Under 50 per week or Zero if possible.
Special Assistance to be Given and Special Measures to Be Implemented in Counties with High Numbers of New Covid Cases!Now is our chance to achieve this. Pressure from big business for an easing of restrictions should be resisted. Small businesses should be compensated and unemployed workers, including self-employed, should be given a special Christmas Bonus! Like myself, many have underlying medical problems which put them in special danger. Grandmothers, Grandads, grand uncles, grand aunts and other older people are also in particular danger.
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ABOUT 4000 OF THE 5325 NEW COVID CASESIN 26 COs TODAY ARE DUE TO GOVERNMENT LIFTING THE LOCKDOWN IN EARLY DECEMBER WHEN THERE WAS STILL ABOUT 300 NEW CASES EACH DAY
THE REST, OVER 1000, ARE DUE TO THE NEW BRITISH STRAIN OF THE VIRUS. THE FAILURE OF THE GOVERNMENT TO PUT COVID TESTING AND QUARANTINE MEASURES IN PLACE AT PORTS AND AIRPORTS IS THE CAUSE OF THESE. THE NUMBER OF DEATHS HAS RISEN TO 17 AND SPACE IN PRIVATE HOSPITALS IS NOW NEEDED TO TAKE PUBLIC PATIENTS.
RTE: The Department of Health has been notified of 5,325 new Covid-19 cases and 17 further deaths.
Ministers have been told that the new strain of the virus, originally seen in the UK, is now accounting for around 25% of cases according to samples.
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Irish Times Blaming Government for Covid getting “OUT OF CONTROL”
But where was the Opposition in the Dáil?
“Time and again Ministers have argued that the Government broadly followed advice from the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet). In defending the Government position they argue that the decision to reopen hospitality from December 4th was offset by a more limited version of the household visitation rules suggested by the public health team.However, it is hard to ignore the pointed nature of the advice in Nphet’s November 26th letter. It argued that the risks associated with hospitality “remain too high at current infection levels”, especially in the context of “interaction between people, families and across generations that will inevitably happen”.” Jack Horgan-Jones, Irish Times, Jan 2But WHERE WAS THE OPPOSITION IN THE Dáil???
JANUARY 1, 2021 DISASTROUS!!!
26 Co: 9,000 NEW COVID CASES IN PIPELINE:
UP TO 70 EXTRA PATIENTS BEING ADMITTED TO HOSPITAL EACH DAY
RTE: There have been 11 further coronavirus-related deaths and 1,754 new cases notified to the Department of Health while at least 9,000 new cases are set to be reported in the coming days……The number of patients with the disease in ICU is 47, an increase of five since yesterday. There are 504 patients with coronavirus in hospital with 46 additional hospitalisations in the past 24 hours.
Professor Philip Nolan from the National Public Health Emergency team said: “A very large volume of positive tests in recent days means there is a delay in formal reporting. In excess of 9,000 additional new cases will be reported over the coming days…….Chief Medical Officer, Dr Tony Holohan, said: “The most concerning trend at present is the rapidly increasing number of people being admitted to hospital – we are now admitting between 50 – 70 people a day to our hospital system.”Unfortunately, we expect this to get worse before it gets better. Our health system will not continue to cope with this level of impact.
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SUNDAY DEC 20
Covid New Cases 6-Counties 505 26-counties 764= Ireland 1269
Deaths 6-counties 13 26-counties 4 =Ireland 17
The parties in the 26-county Government and in the 6-county executive
betrayed the Irish people by lifting lockdowns when new cases were still
in the hundreds under pressure from Big Business
After a first victory in forcing a ban on flights from Britain to the 26 counties,
Let us continue campaigning for an immediate and full lockdown in all 32-counties
until new Covid cases are down to single figures and zero if possible.
WORKERS AND SMALL BUSINESSES SHOULD BE COMPENSATED BY GOVERNMENTS
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Friday Dec18
COVID:Even more shocking figures north and south
NEW DEATHS SIX COUNTIES 10, 26 COUNTIES 6 =Ireland 16
New Cases 6-COUNTIES 510, 26 COUNTIES 482= Ireland 992
26-CO Goverment FF+FG+GreenP
6-CO EXECUTIVE DUP+SF+UP+SDLP+ALLIANCE
ALL THESE PARTIES HAVE BETRAYED THE IRISH PEOPLE BY LIFTING LOCKDOWNS WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE THAT AS A RESULT, NEW CASES WOULD RISE STEEPLY AND MORE DEATHS WOULD OCCUR!
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CHRISTMAS SHOULD BE POSTPONED UNTIL JUNE!–DR GABRIEL SCALLY
Public health expert wants Christmas gatherings delayed
RTE WEBSITE: Updated / Wednesday, 16 Dec 2020 13:54
Dr Gabriel Scally said multi-generational gatherings were dangerous. “RESTRICTIONS SHOULD NOT BE RELAXED OVER CHRITMAS.. BY MIXING OVER CHRISTMAS OLDER PEOPLE COULD PAY A HEAVY PRICE” He Said.
The chairperson of the British Medical Association in Northern Ireland, Dr Tom Black said that it is very clear that Northern Ireland’s lockdowns were “too little, too late” and that it is inevitable the health system is facing a NIGHTMARE SCENARIO in the coming weeks..
Public health expert Dr Gabriel Scally has said that the Irish and UK governments should ask families to postpone family gatherings this Christmas to the summer solstice in June.
As an incentive for people to keep their distance from families over the coming holiday period, he said told RTÉ’s Today with Claire Byrne that two extra bank holidays should be offered in June 2021.
By then, he said, the vaccine rollout will have helped enormously.
Speaking to RTÉ News Dr Scally warned that you cannot play catch up with a virus when case numbers rise.
He said that it was no good implementing restrictions when numbers have increased and said that sensible restrictions should be in place at all times.
He said Ireland had been in such a good position in comparison to Europe in terms of bringing case numbers and deaths down. He said this was why restrictions should not be relaxed over the Christmas period.
From Friday three households will be allowed to mix, and people will be allowed to travel around the country for a three week period until 6 January.
The easing of restrictions is designed to allow people to have what the Government has described as a “meaningful Christmas”. But people have been warned to maintain social distancing and to follow all public health measures.
Restaurants and pubs that serve food were allowed to reopen for outdoor dining on 4 December. But Dr Scally said it was his view that the hospitality sector was a big issue in keeping Covid levels down and that it should not have happened.
In relation to the mixing of households over Christmas, Dr Scally told RTÉ News that multi-generational gatherings were dangerous and that people should avoid them.
He said a relaxation of restrictions would mean an upsurge in cases. And he said that older people had already done so well in protecting themselves and by mixing over Christmas there could be a heavy price to pay.
He warned that there would be a “bumpy ride” ahead in the next few months.
Dr Scally, who is the President of Epidemiology & Public Health at the Royal Society of Medicine in London, also said he really worries about what will happen over the coming weeks and he is concerned there has been little discussion about travel.
Travel spreads the virus, he said, and ports and airports are really important. And he said that people should not be travelling in to Ireland unless they were prepared to quarantine.
Northern Ireland’s lockdowns were ‘too little, too late’
The chairperson of the British Medical Association in Northern Ireland, Dr Tom Black said that it is very clear that Northern Ireland’s lockdowns were “too little, too late” and that it is inevitable the health system is facing a nightmare scenario in the coming weeks.
Dr Black, who is a GP in Derry, said there has been a failure of leadership in Northern Ireland that has led to people “giving up” on public health measures and becoming complacent about the virus.
He told RTÉ’s News at One that the inevitable outcome of the failure to use “clear and fair” messaging is now embedded in the health system, which he said will inevitably require assistance from hospitals in the Republic.
Dr Black said “the die is cast on this…and there is going to a nightmare within the health service in the next three to six weeks, we know that now”.
He said that virtually every hospital in the North had queues of ambulances outside in the last 24 hours.
He said the real concern is that doctors in intensive care will be asked to make moral and ethical decisions that they do not want to make and have not been trained for.
He said the BMA in NI is now speaking “above the politician” to the public telling them they need to reduce contacts over the coming weeks.
Dr Black said that 4,000 vaccines have been made available in Northern Ireland but it will be six weeks before the effect of those will come into place.
He said that “we hope to have a handle on this” by the end of January, but may seek assistance from the Republic before then.
Speaking on the same programme, the Chief Operations Officer with the HSE Anne O’Connor said the HSE would “be open to discussing” any request to help patients from hospitals in Northern Ireland.
She said that a formal request on the matter would be made by Northern Ireland’s CMO to the Republic of Ireland’s CMO, Dr Tony Holohan.
Ms O’Connor said that, as they see an increase in cases in the community, “it’s a matter of weeks, before that translates into issues in our hospitals and into critical care, so there is at time lag that we have to deal with”.
Face masks urged at family gatherings
The World Health Organization in Europe has urged families to wear face masks during this year’s Christmas gatherings, as it warned about concerns for early 2021.
“There is a high risk of further resurgence in the first weeks and months of 2021, and we will need to work together if we are to succeed in preventing it,” the organisation said in a statement.
It said that while it may feel awkward to wear masks around family members, “doing so contributes significantly to ensuring that everyone remains safe and healthy.”
The UN health organisation said that while some “fragile progress” had been made, “Covid-19 transmission across the European region remains widespread and intense”.
It urged the public “not (to) underestimate the importance of your decisions” and take extra precautions as many prepare to gather for the holidays.
If possible, the WHO said celebrations should be held outdoors and “participants should wear masks and maintain physical distancing”.
For indoor festivities, the WHO said limiting the number of guests and ensuring good ventilation were key to reducing the risk of infection.
In Europe, Germany has begun imposing its strictest public health measures since the coronavirus pandemic began.
Schools and non-essential businesses have been closed in an attempt to stop a sharp rise in the number of infections.
In the latest 24-hour period, Germany registered a record of more than 950 virus-related deaths.
Schools and non-essential shops are also closed in The Netherlands.
In Britain, tighter measures have taken effect in London and other areas.
Pubs, restaurants and cafes can now only open for takeaway and deliveries and theatres have closed.
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Six Counties: 8 New Deaths, 510 New Cases of Covid 19
Northern Ireland’s Deputy First Minister,Michelle O’Neill (Sinn Féin) has said there is “no doubt” that an intervention is required to gain control over the spread of coronavirus.
Michelle O’Neill said the Stormont Executive will discuss the timing of an intervention when ministers meet tomorrow
.Asked if the executive had eased circuit-breaker restrictions too soon, Ms O’Neill said: “We followed the public health advice the whole way through, I wouldn’t have done anything unless it was supported by the chief medical officer and chief scientific adviser and that will be the position again tomorrow.
A public health expert said there was no public health leadership in Northern Ireland resulting in an extraordinarily difficult period, likely to worsen as Christmas approaches.
President of Epidemiology and Public Health at the Royal Society of Medicine, Dr Gabriel Scally, told RTÉ’s Six One that Stormont ministers had failed to get a grip of the situation and produce the sort of package of measures that would bring the disease under control.Dr Scally said there was a poor contact tracing system in Northern Ireland and no controls at borders and ports.He said he agreed with Dr Tom Black, the British Medical Association leader in Northern Ireland, who said the situation was caused by a failure of leadership at the highest level.Dr Scally said the political and professional leadership had been deficient and the region was paying the price.Health Minister Robin Swann is due to bring proposals to the executive tomorrow for further Covid-19 restrictions.
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RETAIN LEVEL 5 RESTRICTIONS over Christmas if Necessary!!
LIKE THIS POST AND AND SHARE IF YOU AGREE! Stamp out Covid 19 ! Now is our Chance!Campaign to Retain Level 5 Restrictions Until Covid 19 New Cases per day are Down to Under 10 per Day and Under 50 per week or Zero if possible. Special Assistance to be Given and Special Measures to Be Implemented in Counties with High Numbers of New Covid Cases!Now is our chance to achieve this. Pressure from big business for an easing of restrictions should be resisted. Small businesses should be compensated and unemployed workers, including self-employed, should be given a special Christmas Bonus! Like myself, many have underlying medical problems which put them in special danger.Grandmothers, Grandads, grand uncles, grand aunts and other older people are also in particular danger.LIKE THIS POST AND SHARE IF YOU AGREE!!!!
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26 Counties: 6 NEW DEATHS, 431NEW CASES!!!The Chief Medical Officer, Dr Tony Holohan said there were “significant and concerning indicators” that the DISEASE “IS MOVING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION”.
Dr Tony Holohan said these include an increase in positivity rates, as well as seven and 14-day incidence rates, and the five-day average has increased to 339 cases.He said: “These trends are all the more troubling because of the delicate and precarious situation we are in.”As a country, we are heading into a period of potential widespread inter-household and inter-generational mixing.”This is an ideal opportunity for the virus to spread and impact on those most vulnerable to its severest effects.”Dr Holohan urged people to limit their contacts, prioritise who they meet, and “remain vigilant so we can get through this together” as “recent international experience has demonstrated just how quickly this disease can get out of control.”He said the National Public Health Emergency Team will meet tomorrow to review the epidemiological situation.
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THE NATIONAL PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY TEAM SHOULD HAVE RESIGNED WHEN GOVERNMENT OPENED UP HOSPITALITY BUSINESSES (FOOD-PUBS, RESTAURANTS AND HOTELS) AGAINST IT’S ADVICE. They should resign now to underline their dire warnings. Anything less is a cover-up for government capitulation to big business by lifting the lockdown too early for a second time.
NEPHET are now loudly warning that if the majority of people do not adequately social distance, wear masks in public, cut down on earlier social contacts to compensate for visits to friends and relatives etc, etc there will be 1200 new cases per day by the second week in January, more deaths and greater danger to old and vulnerable people. This is correct but entirely impossible to implement without governmental regulation (continuing lockdown) in this form of society and particularly at Christmas time. They have implied this themselves so what are they up to??
Their public warnings are designed not to be effective but to cover their backs when the worst happens while allowing the government to deliberately allow the virus to spread. “Sure, it was only a difference of opinion” AGAIN I SAY : RESIGN NOW IF YOU BELIEVE YOUR OWN DIRE WARNINGS. THIS ALONE WILL FORCE THE GOVERNMENT TO CHANGE IT’S DISASTROUS POLICY OF LIFTING THE LOCKDOWN . GOVERNMENT WOULD BE COMPLETELY EXPOSED! I CALL ON EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY TEAM TO RESIGN TO FORCE THE GOVERNMENT TO DESIST FROM CONSIGNING AN INCREASING NUMBER OF CITIZENS TO DEATH AND ILL-HEALTH THROUGH LIFTING THE LOCKDOWN.
Some opposition politicians are colluding with government either by supporting the lifting of phase 5 restrictions or by failing to vigorously oppose the lifting. I will deal with the opposition positions in future posts.
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As 6-counties Overwhelmed by Covid Crisis
RTE WEBSITE: Patients being treated in car park at Antrim hospital
Director of Operations at the Northern Trust Wendy Magowan said: “I have never seen ambulances queued like this before … I have never seen anything like this before in my life.”
Queues of ambulances have formed outside several hospitals in Northern Ireland as pressure continues to mount on the over-capacity health service.
The scenes unfolded as First Minister Arlene Foster participated in a call with other UK political leaders to review the planned relaxation of restrictions on household gatherings over Christmas.
Updated / Tuesday, 15 Dec 2020 19:26
Medics at Antrim Area Hospital are caring for patients in the car park
Queues of ambulances have formed outside several hospitals in Northern Ireland as pressure continues to mount on the over-capacity health service.
The scenes unfolded as First Minister Arlene Foster participated in a call with other UK political leaders to review the planned relaxation of restrictions on household gatherings over Christmas.
No decisions were taken, with Stormont ministers set to convene to discuss the situation on Thursday amid intensifying calls from medics to rethink the relaxations and introduce fresh measures to curb the spread of the coronavirus.
At that meeting, Health Minister Robin Swann will propose a series of new restrictions to executive colleagues.
“I will be bringing a paper to the executive on Thursday with a number of recommendations,” he told the Stormont Assembly.
Chief Medical Officer Dr Michael McBride has warned that Northern Ireland now faces one of the most challenging periods of the pandemic after the most recent circuit break lockdown failed to drive down infections.
Hospital capacity across the region stood at 104% today.
At one point outside Antrim Area Hospital, 17 ambulances containing patients were lined up outside the emergency department. Doctors were treating patients in the car park.
Director of Operations at the Northern Trust Wendy Magowan said: “I have never seen ambulances queued like this before … I have never seen anything like this before in my life.”
The deaths of a further six people with Covid-19 were announced today, bringing Northern Ireland’s toll to 1,135.
Another 486 new cases of the virus were recorded in 24 hours.
Dr McBride said Northern Ireland was not where it needed to be in terms of case numbers at the start of a fortnight of festive relaxations, including a five day period of increased household gatherings over Christmas.
“The circumstances we are currently facing are extremely troubling,” he said.
“We are not where we need to be or should be in terms of the transmission of the virus.”
Wendy Magowan, Director of Operations at the Northern Trust
Dr McBride said it was important that arrangements for the festive season were “kept under review”.
Chief scientific adviser Professor Ian Young said there was no evidence to date to show that the circuit-break had brought down case numbers.
Prof Young said there had instead been two weeks of a “slow and steady increase” in case numbers.
He said data of traffic flow show that many people did not heed the “stay at home” message over the circuit break.
He said the reproduction rate of the virus was “at or a little bit above 1” and “that’s certainly not where we hoped it would be”.
Prof Young added: “We’re seeing a gradual increase in cases at the moment and that will undoubtedly feed through to hospital admissions and in due course critical care occupancy and unfortunately deaths.”
“Those increases will come on the top of already high baseline levels in terms of hospital beds being occupied by Covid patients.”
Describing the situation at the Northern Trust, Ms Magowan said 43 people were waiting for an emergency bed at Antrim Area Hospital and 21 at the Causeway Hospital this morning.
“These are older frail, sick people and unfortunately they are being delayed in ambulances because we simply have no room to bring these patients into our emergency departments,” she told the BBC.
“Ambulances need to be out on the ground looking after sick people, they do not need to be queuing outside emergency departments.”
Prof Young earlier flagged particular concern about infection rates in Mid and East Antrim council area, which is covered by the Northern Trust.
He said a case prevalence of 313 per 100,000 people was more than 100 cases higher than any other area of Northern Ireland.
Prof Young said the reproduction number was expected to rise “significantly above” 1 during the current period of relaxations.
He urged anyone who was planning to take advantage of the relaxations on household gatherings over Christmas to stop socialising now.
“What I’d be saying to anybody who is planning to bubble, particularly if you’re going to be seeing an elderly or vulnerable relative, for the next 10 days you should be seeing nobody else,” he said.
Dr McBride urged people to avoid socialising or shopping in busy retail spaces ahead of Christmas.
“We can’t have it both ways,” he said.
“You know we can’t be out and about and socialising, whether it’s in restaurants or whether it’s doing Christmas shopping and mingling crowds indoors in shopping centres or elsewhere and then feel it’s all going to be okay when we meet up with older relatives and people who are clinically extremely vulnerable over the Christmas period. It doesn’t add up. That is not how it works.”
Dr McBride also confirmed that no cases of the new variant of Covid-19 had been detected in Northern Ireland.
He said there was “no need for alarm” about the emergence of the latest variant.
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COVID: NEWSPAPERS PLAY DOWN SHOCKING NUMBER OF NEW CASES NORTH AND SOUTH
DEC 13: 483(Six Counties)+429(26 Counties)=912 CASES(All Ireland)
As lockdowns continue to be lifted North and South with Sinn Féin support onus is being placed on individuals to observe guidelines in a Pontius Pilate type exercise by Government, Sinn Féin, and the National Public Health Emergency Team(NEPHET)
BUT COMPLIANT CITIZENS HAVE NO PROTECTION AGAINST THOSE WHO DO NOT COMPLY INCLUDING THOSE WHO HAVE A POLICY OF NON-COMPLIANCE AS THE LAWS NO LONGER APPLY DUE TO LIFTING OF LOCKDOWNS NORTH AND SOUTH.
Irish independent Dec 14 Headline
Christmas celebrations at risk as Covid rates on the rise
People have been urged to limit their contacts with others in the run-up to Christmas after a worrying rise in Covid-19 infections.
Ralph Riegel, Fiona Dillon and Laura Lynott
Irish Independent, December 14, 2020 07:12 AM
People have been urged to limit their contacts with others in the run-up to Christmas after a worrying rise in Covid-19 infections.
As the country prepares to ease travel restrictions on Friday, Taoiseach Micheál Martin warned the imminent roll-out of vaccines will not offer instant relief from the pandemic.
Some 429 new infections and one further death were confirmed yesterday.
“I am very concerned at those numbers,” said Mr Martin. “What I would say to people is that every [social] contact matters. If people want to enjoy Christmas with their loved-ones, particularly their parents or grandparents it is extremely important that they watch their behaviour over the coming week.”
From Friday people will be able to travel outside their county in order to spend Christmas with their loved ones. There is no indication as yet that this will be put on hold if infections continue to rise over the coming days.
Mr Martin said he did not believe a third lockdown was now inevitable in January – but he stressed that avoiding it was firmly in the public’s hands.
Chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan said people must now weigh up the risks of whatever socialising they are planning in the days ahead.
elandAlmost two weeks since the country emerged from Level 5 lockdown, Dr Holohan said: “I am concerned that we are seeing the incidence of Covid-19 rising again – 429 is a large number of cases by the standard of recent weeks and the five-day moving average has increased above 300 per day.”
The 14-day incidence figure now stands at 84.3 cases per 100,000 people.
However, Dr Holohan said the latest figures must be taken “as a sign that we all must now reduce our social contacts, limit our interactions with those outside our households, weigh the risks of what socialising we are pla nning over the next two weeks”.
Professor Sam McConkey, infectious disease specialist, said he did not believe the opening up of travel from Friday should be reversed due to the high number of new infections recorded yesterday.
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Almost 1000 new Cases of Covid To-day in the 32 Counties, 5 EXTRA DEATHS AND SINN FÉIN HAS SUPPORTED LIFTING THE LOCKDOWN NORTH AND SOUTH. SHAME!!! SHAME!!
MEMBERS OF NEPHET SHOULD PUBLICLY RESIGN NOW TO FORCE THE GOVERNMENTS HAND!
483(Six Counties)+429(26 Counties)=912NEW CASES(All Ireland)
RTE-WEBSITE: There has been one further coronavirus-related death and 429 new cases of the disease reported to the Department of Health.The total number of deaths now stands at 2,124 with 76,185 confirmed cases.The number of people in ICU remains unchanged since yesterday at 31. There are 193 Covid-19 patients in Irish hospitals with 13 additional hospitalisations in the past 24 hours.Chief Medical Officer, Dr Tony Holohan, said: “Today, I am concerned that we are seeing the incidence of Covid-19 rising again.”429 is a large number of cases by the standard of recent weeks and the five day moving average has now increased above 300 per day.”Our efforts in Level 5 in recent weeks brought the 14-day incidence rate down to 78 per 100,000 population, put us in a position of having the lowest disease incidence in Europe and ultimately protected many people and saved many lives…..The 14-day incidence rate per 100,000 population nationally is 84.3 with the highest rates of infection in Donegal (219.9), Kilkenny (198.5), Louth (174.6) and Carlow (159.8).”(This is 6.3% more than the low of 78% achieved due to the lockdown-PH)In Northern Ireland, there have been four further Covid-19 related deaths, taking the official Department of Health death toll there to 1,124.It also recorded 483 new cases of the virus, taking the cumulative total to 58,216.(This is equivalent to 1449 new cases and 12 further deaths in the 26 counties-PH)
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Despite the continuing horrendous Covid Figures in the Six Counties, the lockdown was lifted yesterday with the support of Sinn Féin-OUTRAGEOUS !!!
RTE WEBSITE Dec 12:
“Northern Ireland has reported that a further nine people have died from Covid-19. It takes the death toll there to 1,120.
There were 476 additional cases of the virus also reported, bringing the cumulative total to 57,733.
This is the equivalent of 27 Deaths and 1428 new daily cases of Covid 19”
In the 26-counties, the 14-day incidence rate of Covid-19 per 100,000 population nationally is now 81.5, an increase on yesterday. In Co Donegal it is almost 3 times greater at 216.7 and in Co Louth it is more than twice as great at 173.0
New cases in the 26- counties are 248 and new deaths are 3 —————————————————————————————————–
OUTRAGEOUS!!!
Six Counties : TODAY 538 New Cases 12 Deaths
26-County Equivalent Would Be: TODAY 1614 New Cases and 36 Deaths
Michelle O’Neill is the Sinn Féin Deputy Prime Minister who has agreed to a raising of the lockdown from today!!!! OUTRAGEOUS
RTE Website :The NI Department of Health today said another 12 people have died with Covid-19 in Northern Ireland, while an additional 538 people have tested positive. Deputy First Minister Michelle O’Neill said she was “nervous” about the potential consequences of the relaxations.Ms O’Neill said she was concerned about what Northern Ireland might be facing in January after the lifting of several coronavirus restrictions on Friday…..She said: “I think we’ve tried to find a balanced way forward throughout the whole of the pandemic. It remains the case today that we know that everything we’re doing comes with risk.
RTE Website Dec 10:
Covid-19: 15 further deaths and 310 new cases
RTE Updated / Thursday, 10 Dec 2020 19:23
Dr Tony Holohan at a press briefing in the Department of Health this evening (Pic: RollingNews.ie)
There have been 15 further coronavirus-related deaths and 310 new cases of the disease notified to the Department of Health. Ten of these deaths took place in December.
A total of 2,117 people have died with Covid-19 in Ireland. The total number of infections is 75,203 and this includes the denotification of seven previously confirmed cases.
The number of people in ICU is 36, a decrease of two since yesterday.
There has been a further reduction in the number of people in hospital in Ireland with Covid-19.
As of 2.30pm today, there were 202 patients being treated for the virus compared to 224 yesterday.
This represents the lowest number of people in hospital with coronavirus since 11 October when there were 201 patients.
Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan said: “Tomorrow marks 14 days to Christmas Day. To ensure the safest possible interaction with your family over Christmas, consider restricting your movements now.
“Risk assess the environments you plan to be in over the next two weeks; are they compliant with public health measures? Can you keep a two-metre distance? Are people wearing face coverings?
“Now is the time to make decisions about what interactions are necessary and pose the lowest risk to you, your family and friends over Christmas.”
Professor Philip Nolan, chair of the National Public Health Emergency Team Epidemiological Modelling Advisory Group, told a press briefing: “The reproduction number is now estimated to be between 0.9 and 1.
“This is a testament to the very large number of people who continue to limit their contacts and follow public health advice.”
He warned that the latest modelling shows a high risk of a surge in January unless we minimise close contacts and adhere to guidance.
Prof Nolan said the level of infection was static at present. The number of daily cases is “as low as it is going to go”. Demand for testing remains high, with the positivity rate around 3%.
He told a press briefing that the incidence of Covid-19 was still “concerningly high” among older people. There was also “persistent disease” among healthcare workers.
Professor Karina Butler, chair of the National Immunisation Advisory Committee, said: “As we await final analysis of vaccines by the European Medicines Agency, the FDA analysis of the data around Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine has affirmed its efficacy.
“These are encouraging signs. However, it is important to ensure full EMA approval before vaccine roll out in Ireland.”
Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn said: “It is important that the encouraging plans for vaccine roll-out in 2021 does not distract from the actions we need to take as we face into December 2020.
“A vaccine will have no positive impact on the trajectory of this disease over the coming weeks and does not give immunity to people over the Christmas period.
“We must not allow Covid-19 to spread through our communities now, after all the efforts we have made throughout 2020 and how close we are to beginning to vaccinate.”
Asked about people taking coronavirus tests ahead of meeting older relatives at Christmas, Dr Glynn said he would not recommend this.
He said a person may test negative, but still be infectious, depending on what day the test is carried out.
The 14-day incidence rate per 100,000 population nationally is 79. Counties with the highest rates of Covid-19 include Donegal (230.5), Kilkenny (175.3), Louth (159.8) and Carlow (135.2).
Counties with the lowest number of infections include Leitrim (18.7), Westmeath (20.3), Kerry (23.7) and Wexford (24.7).
Of the cases notified today 162 are men, 148 are women and 61% are under 45 years of age.
There were 80 cases in Dublin, 27 in Donegal, 25 in Louth, 15 in Kilkenny, 15 in Waterford, 15 in Tipperary, 15 in Meath an
Séamus says July 2,2014: I think you have to accept that motions to reject coalition with FF and FG and any right-wing party have been defeated at the party’s Ard Fheis.
Eamonn Óg Ó Gallachóir says:
July 3, 2014 at 17:36
An Ard comhairle meeting can rectify that- bring a special meeting if they need, I would include labour in with the right wing to leave them out- questions what u know about left and right